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[andermendz]

Is there someone who wanna test my new XML for Shamim v24 and give a review?
No additional lib

—Better photos but a lot of more artefacts (good job reducing the noise, the artifacts can be noticed just if you zoom)
— Video stabilization is not working now
— I guess there's an issue with WB, sometimes the images are blue or orange.

 

[runtime64]

I made some more tests with different configurations and the last results are more satisfying, even though I am not sure of the final reason of such improvement.

Yesterday I shot the following scenery with Miui cam preinstalled on CrDroid8.6 and with Shamim V24 installed, without any XML.

I was negatively impressed by hard interpolation effects and by the amount of artifacts at 5m+ in both. Shamim did better at infinity, but the messy rendering was pretty obvious. I took a shot of the same scene with an older Moto G7 plus just to discover it rendered infinity in a more natural and detailed way.

So today I decided to try installing Moto 2 cam by Nemesis Team on Redmi note 10 pro via TWRP. The attempt failed. The Moto installation eradicated the Miui cam (as it uninstalls the default cam from Android) and then gave an error. I rebooted and found no more Miui cam (no surprise). After that I tried to install LMC 8.4 V9 Gcam mod which failed previously. This time it worked. I took an XML from this thread and slightly tweaked it.

I made several shots of the same scene and discovered that the basic compression algorithm now works better! With the same file size it gives less squarish and noise artifacts, and infinity shapes improved.

I am not sure if it is because the installation of Moto 2 Cam deleted some Miui library which was replaced by a Moto or a Google lib. Or it is just the better tweaked LMC mod. Anyway, I am now having a camera experience which better corresponds to my expectations of the 1/1.5" sensor.

A side-by-side comparison follows of the mentioned variants (click or download to see details).

What I still find do not quite understand:

1) EXIF data of the shots focused on infinity objects indicates a distance of 13.72m. It does not change if I pass to Pro mode, with a manual setting of the distance. So the default infinity for Note 10 pro is rather 13.72 than say 20m and more? Could this be changed with a XML tweak to check if it affects the image quality?

2) Moto G7 plus, with its smaller 1/2.6" sensor still renders better detail at infinity. How could it be? Might this be a result of physical lens optimisation in Note 10 pro for close rather than for infinity shots?

 

[Em Kay]

You wrote "you found an xml & tweaked it". But, in the attached comparison photo you wrote "out of the box".
Have you used the xml or not?
Can you upload it here, pls?
Which photo is closest to the real life?

 

[runtime64]

You wrote "you found an xml & tweaked it". But, in the attached comparison photo you wrote "out of the box".
Have you used the xml or not?
Can you upload it here, pls?
Which photo is closest to the real life?

I used this XML only with LMC mod. Shooting with Shamim yesterday I did not manage to import any XML, os used it out of the box.

I would say LMC with XML is the best, as it generates visibly less of those ugly squares in place of natural objects. But if you inspect closer Moto crops, you'll see that leaves look more natural and you can easily distinguish white flowers in distant trees and bushes, while in Note 10 pro shots they are kind of homogenized. It's a pity to have a better sensor and to get less of naturally looking detail.

 

[Em Kay]

I used this XML only with LMC mod. Shooting with Shamim yesterday I did not manage to import any XML, os used it out of the box.

I would say LMC with XML is the best, as it generates visibly less of those ugly squares in place of natural objects. But if you inspect closer Moto crops, you'll see that leaves look more natural and you can easily distinguish white flowers in distant trees and bushes, while in Note 10 pro shots they are kind of homogenized. It's a pity to have a better sensor and to get less of naturally looking detail.

This xml is not made for our phone!
Why do you expect anything good?!

Check out this photo I captured with Laptapper package from post 1, without the libs, with awb button & lp button on (after importing the xml you'll find the button on viewfinder).

This photo was captured late in afternoon. Color is true to life & details is amazing.

Edit:
Or the 2nd photo earlier that afternoon from a farm. It's cropped a little.

 

[runtime64]

This xml is not made for our phone!
Why do you expect anything good?!

Check out this photo I captured with Laptapper package from post 1, without the libs, with awb button & lp button on (after importing the xml you'll find the button on viewfinder).

This photo was captured late in afternoon. Color is true to life & details is amazing.

Edit:
Or the 2nd photo earlier that afternoon from a farm. It's cropped a little.

Thank you for sharing your shot. Glad you like the result.

To my eye it has the same basic issue of smashing fine details. I presume it is not about XML tweaks, it is about the core algorithm. Look for example at the grass, you can easily see the mess instead of nature-like forms, independently from the distance. When it deals with infinity, the issue becomes critical. It does not obviously matter that much when you shoot close objects, friends and family.

As for the XML I linked, it works pretty fine on my RN 10 pro, except the Aux-T camera option which I changed.

 

[Em Kay]

Thank you for sharing your shot. Glad you like the result.

To my eye it has the same basic issue of smashing fine details. I presume it is not about XML tweaks, it is about the core algorithm. Look for example at the grass, you can easily see the mess instead of nature-like forms, independently from the distance. When it deals with infinity, the issue becomes critical. It does not obviously matter that much when you shoot close objects, friends and family.

As for the XML I linked, it works pretty fine on my RN 10 pro, except the Aux-T camera option which I changed.

Yeah, I see that. But, I think in this low-lit condition it's challenging even for flagship phones.

Can you please export your own xml & then upload it here?
After exporting you will find it in internal/lmc8.4/ folder.
Thanks.

 

[andermendz]

Hey guys I'm working on something for LMC

First two LMC on HDR + Vs BSG 8.4 on HDR enhanced, then X10 zoom

 

[andermendz]

Part 2(5x zoom) my work in progress for LMC Vs BSG both in HDR enhanced , last one for reference LMC on HDR+.

 

[Dayuser]

LMC 8.4 R11

Changelog​

• Updated tooltips, styles, menus and more, black theme for night mode
• A second value has been added for all patcher parameters that have an on or off switch.
• Unlocking Noise Models is divided into modules and displayed in the Noise Models section
• The option with the Photo Resolution button is identical to RAW. The option has been included in R9, R10 which may cause issues on some other devices. It is recommended to enable for Mi10TP, MN10, Mi10 and other devices that support high resolution. The RES button seamlessly switches between resolutions. (HMX 12mp > 27mp)
• Forward interface selection
• Fix HDR Raw split by modules
• corrections
• Fixed merge selection on/off dependency. saber cup
• Returned most parameters removed
• Returned Portrait mode in session and added all values for slow motion video
• Fixed work on Redmi 9, Realme 8, RN8P, partially Galaxy M52 and possibly others
• Added new settings

Download da Gcam do modder hasli

Aqui você encontra o download das versões da Gcam disponibilizadas pelo dev (modder) hasli

gcambrasil.com.br

 

[runtime64]

Yeah, I see that. But, I think in this low-lit condition it's challenging even for flagship phones.

Can you please export your own xml & then upload it here?
After exporting you will find it in internal/lmc8.4/ folder.
Thanks.

You must be right. Just it seems to me that three years ago there was a huge improvement in computational photography, and even budget models such as Moto G7 plus could deliver pretty convincing results (even though they could not deal well with high contrast scenes). Now the HDR is better implemented, and it's nice. But I acknowledge a step back in terms of general jpeg quality which is absurd, given the grown physical size of sensors. In-phone post processing makes a part of the job. But more in the direction of of sharpness than detail.

Please find attached the config file for the LMC V9 I tweaked a bit to my taste.

 

[runtime64]

Part 2(5x zoom) my work in progress for LMC Vs BSG both in HDR enhanced , last one for reference LMC on HDR+.

The first LMC keeps a way more detail than the BSG.

 

[runtime64]

This xml is not made for our phone!
Why do you expect anything good?!

Check out this photo I captured with Laptapper package from post 1, without the libs, with awb button & lp button on (after importing the xml you'll find the button on viewfinder).

This photo was captured late in afternoon. Color is true to life & details is amazing.

Edit:
Or the 2nd photo earlier that afternoon from a farm. It's cropped a little.

Thank you for your suggestion. I installed the AGC cam alongside with LMC. I wished to attach same scene shots made by both of them. But for the moment I cannot do that for an unknown reason. Will try to do that in the next post.

I must say I am impressed by the the work ACG makes for edge detection and sharpening, with the libraries and XML Laptapper provided. It's a clean work. Colour rendition is closer to the real in AGC, as LMC oversaturates quite a bit. Given the file size is 2.5 times smaller than I get from LMC, it's a truly notorious result.

I still prefer LMC for a tad better detail resolution at infinity. Need to play more with both.

 

[runtime64]

Thank you for your suggestion. I installed the AGC cam alongside with LMC. I wished to attach same scene shots made by both of them. But for the moment I cannot do that for an unknown reason. Will try to do that in the next post.

I must say I am impressed by the the work ACG makes for edge detection and sharpening, with the libraries and XML Laptapper provided. It's a clean work. Colour rendition is closer to the real in AGC, as LMC oversaturates quite a bit. Given the file size is 2.5 times smaller than I get from LMC, it's a truly notorious result.

I still prefer LMC for a tad better detail resolution at infinity. Need to play more with both.

LMC and AGC are recognizable by file names (and by the size, the AGC being sensibly smaller).

 

[runtime64]

LMC and AGC are recognizable by file names (and by the size, the AGC being sensibly smaller).

I noticed that changing Jpeg quality in AGC from the default 97% to 99% I get more smashed detail at infinity. Weird. In LMC it's the contrary.

 

[andermendz]

LMC 8.4 R11

Changelog​

• Updated tooltips, styles, menus and more, black theme for night mode
• A second value has been added for all patcher parameters that have an on or off switch.
• Unlocking Noise Models is divided into modules and displayed in the Noise Models section
• The option with the Photo Resolution button is identical to RAW. The option has been included in R9, R10 which may cause issues on some other devices. It is recommended to enable for Mi10TP, MN10, Mi10 and other devices that support high resolution. The RES button seamlessly switches between resolutions. (HMX 12mp > 27mp)
• Forward interface selection
• Fix HDR Raw split by modules
• corrections
• Fixed merge selection on/off dependency. saber cup
• Returned most parameters removed
• Returned Portrait mode in session and added all values for slow motion video
• Fixed work on Redmi 9, Realme 8, RN8P, partially Galaxy M52 and possibly others
• Added new settings

Download da Gcam do modder hasli

Aqui você encontra o download das versões da Gcam disponibilizadas pelo dev (modder) hasli

gcambrasil.com.br

Good news

 

[andermendz]

Same config, the only difference is the noise model

Left noise model assigned - Right stock noise model

 

[andermendz]

Hey guys, here my XML:

What works:

• Video Stabilization
• Better detail without noise or artifacts( as i showed on #1604 and #1605)
• Front Camera improved to get more natural colour and natural detail
• 2X zoom with the main lens look lossless no cap
• No noise at all ( in all the lenses)
• All the lenses

To be considered:

This config is based on the most neutral preferences, you'll not find pretentious and cringy colours here.

My intention is to make everything look as natural as posible( no overdenoised, processed but not RAW and useless image).

If you want a good template to start this XML is a good one.

DONE ON LMC R11

 

[Dbeast6699]

For what gcam and any lib or just xml

Hey guys, here my XML:

What works:

• Video Stabilization
• Better detail without noise or artifacts( as i showed on #1604 and #1605)
• Front Camera improved to get more natural colour and natural detail
• 2X zoom with the main lens look lossless no cap
• No noise at all ( in all the lenses)
• All the lenses

To be considered:

This config is based on the most neutral preferences, you'll not find pretentious and cringy colours here.

My intention is to make everything look as natural as posible( no overdenoised, processed but not RAW and useless image).

If you want a good template to start this XML is a good one.

DONE ON LMC R11

 

[runtime64]

I took a RAW shot in order to better understand how the sensor renders, notwithstanding the processing algorithm. In fact, there is pretty much of chroma and luminance noise which results in an abundant amount of "extra" blue and red dots. I presume the algorithms interpret them (correctly) as colour shift at the edge of shapes. So many diffused colour dots translated into edges and sharpened creates this mess.

I attach a jpeg saved of the original DNG in 100% quality, which gives an idea, even though the colour dots are better seen when you look at original DNG file.

If I remember correctly, RN 10 pro uses Sony sensor, the same as some Samsung smartphones do, which give pretty impressive final image quality. I wonder if it is possible to get somewhere Samsung algorithms or settings which treat RAW files from this sensor. That might help to improve the results.