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raulbe

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Hi All, wanted to share my findings with the community. These are purely my personal preferences and opinions. I also have an iPhone XR and use that as a baseline.

First I am mainly interested in skin tones, I personally feel we are all very attuned to skin tones and that's the best way to get a feel for a camera's quality.

For things like plants, flowers, landscapes, buildings and objects sometimes it becomes very difficult to tell even poor and good cameras apart.

So lets begin. All this is on MIUI stock 12.0.3 ROM. I will focus on the main and selfie camera. Haven't tested video or the wide lens.

The Stock Camera
The stock camera is decent but has a reddish brownish skin tone. On zoom in many situations you will see smudging. Its also not sharp. The selfie camera suffers from the same problems only more accentuated. Very smudgy, too much contrast, reddish brownish tone and overall lack of clarity and detail. In low light the problems become more accentuated.

Nikita 7.4 2.0 with Vanpoko's config V3
Thanks to vanpoko for coming out with various configs for this. This camera is really extraordinary sharp on objects and color is also decent for objects. However its way too sharp for human subjects and gives an unnatural look. Skins tone also look unnatural. The selfie camera is oversharpened and unnatural - its unusable. The sharpening is extreme and skin tones just look off.

The next 2 are from the Poco X3 camera thread on 4pda. There are more than 650 pages on that thread and I used Google translate to read some of them. There are a lot of configs, versions, differing opinions, samples to wade through.


BSG 8.1 GVq
This one is quite good out of the box. If you have a pet you will get fantastic pictures out of the box with BSG with proper color, detail, sharpness and proper definition on the eyes. Its way way better than stock and in some cases beats my iPhone XR for pets. The colors are on point though some may find it a bit faded. Skin tones are well represented in both good light and low light situations. There is details and none of the smudging you see on the stock. The selfie camera is also good for skin tones, again some may find this slightly washed out but the details are well captured. A simply brightening and contrast in the default image editor will dramatically improve the image for most tastes.

This camera is extremely good for pets. This is on out of the box config. For main lens in the settings I used Pixel4 for both HDR+ and AWB correction. These settings are in settings -> additional modules settings -> settings back lens. For selfie camera I found Samsung T2 AWB gave the best colors. This is in settings -> additional modules settings -> settings front lens -> awb correction. For the custom library I used Lib r1_01_Final - the skin tone colors are slightly better here than the default Google lib. There are many other BSG versions on the 4pda thread but I found the GVq versions shared there worked well. Its available on celsoazevedo Gcam site. Its the 8.1.101_A9_GVq one.


Aspen 8.1.200 and 8.1.011.194
There is not much discussion on this Gcam mod on XDA or on celsoazevedo. Both along with BSG are highly rated on the 4pda thread. I found 8.1.200 nearly as good as BSG, just a slightly different color tone. Its also nearly as sharp as BSG. For the Selfie camera, some may find this better than BSG. Unfortunately the apks and configs are only available in the 4pda thread. The best library I found for color accuracy was 1.8re which many on the thread recommend. Like BSG the Aspen 1.8.200 is much better for skin tones, pets and many other things than the stock cameras.

The 8.1.011.194 version is extremely similar to the 8.1.200 version. Its slightly less sharp I found for pets and skin tones, and the selfie is just slightly, very slightly more natural looking. Again this is with lib1.8re. The other popular lib is 1.9final and I found 1.8re is generally better for skin tones on the front camera. The main camera is quite similar. On Aspen default AWB on gives a cooler more 'pastely' color tone but you can put it off to get a slightly warmer more accurate tone closer to BSG.

The 4pda thread is very confusing but for Aspen the bulk of the posts, configs and apks is shared by user Paradisoko. There are also a lot of useful posts and real world comparisons by both paradisoko and hulksvs on Aspen 8.1 and BSG. Thanks to both of these users and the 4pda community for providing a mod that improves the Poco default camera. One thing to note is Aspen does not support the wide camera while BSG does. I haven't tested much video but BSG records 1080p stabilized.

I think most users will find BSG 8.1 a good alternative to the stock cam. It works well out of the box for the X3 and I personally think colors are extremely accurate and skin tone and details is perhaps as good as the camera hardware allows. Aspen 8.1.200 is also worth trying, its very good, and you can install and use both together. Hope this was useful to users here.
 
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raulbe

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thyank you very much for this information.

can you please share the lib file?

All the libs are integrated in the apks. You just have to go to settings and choose the lib.

There is no need to get any libs for BSG or Aspen. Only for Aspen you need the xml configs provided with the apks in the 4pda threads by user Paradisoko.

Here is the link one of the Aspen 1.8.200 4pda posts by Paradiso.
https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1004745&view=findpost&p=104439779

BSG does not need any config.

For Aspen once you install the apk create a folder 'ConfigsSettings8' in your internal storage and put the xml config in the folder. Then open the Aspen app and click the space to the left of the gallery and select the xml config.

Untill you do this the camera preview will not work in Aspen. This is because in the settings you need to change the Level Camera2 API from jpeg to Yuv and the config xml does that and other settings for the X3.

Also both BSG and Aspen support third party galleries, you need to unselect 'Use google photo' in advanced settings.
 
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vanpoko

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I have updated this post with a ton of new xmls for the Nikita 2.0 mod:

Currently the mods I use are the latest from BSG and, of course, NGcam 2.0. I found this mod that I recommend, it is based on Urnyx05 and it is the only one I have seen so far that has special AWB modes for the Poco X3, with the Sony IMX62 sensor and for all lenses, so the colors and light are very good with the AWB activated and also has a great selfie.
A mirror:
Here's my xml if you want to try it. It has to be in the folder /PixelCam/Dise
 

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Pocoflags

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    @raulbe yeah, Aspen Gcam is not even available in 4pda, no matter where I click.

    EDIT: I eventually outsourced the apk from a Spanish YouTuber and it's not worth it, had less options than BSG and just felt kinda barebones.
     

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    oprz_5

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    @raulbe HI, thanks for your input. Among the many BSG apks, which apk to be chosen? Is it the snapcam or the googlecamera one?

    Did a bit of reading...I guess it doesn't matter whether snap or eng...??
     

    raulbe

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    @raulbe HI, thanks for your input. Among the many BSG apks, which apk to be chosen? Is it the snapcam or the googlecamera one?

    Did a bit of reading...I guess it doesn't matter whether snap or eng...??
    I think they are the exact same but with different names to avoid installation conflicts with the name. I usually use the MGC version

    @ SkaboXD - The Aspen versions along with the configs are available on the 4pda thread. They are usually posted by the user Paradisoko and I linked to his post on the 8.1.200 version earlier. There are way too many versions and configs posted on the thread and I found Paradiso is the most consistent. Here it is.

    https://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1004745&view=findpost&p=104439779

     

    kantinecc

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    hello. I can't find the manual mode (pro mode) in any of the mods that I have tried. Is there a version with the manual mode activated? thanks in advance.

    Poco X3 NFC, 12.0.8. Global, Android 10
     

    temporarium

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    Does anyone know how to reduce the resolution to 1920x1080 (2 MP)? The only settings I could find in any of the mods is full vs medium resolution (still too high). Can such an advanced app really be missing something so basic?
     

    SkaboXD

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    Does anyone know how to reduce the resolution to 1920x1080 (2 MP)? The only settings I could find in any of the mods is full vs medium resolution (still too high). Can such an advanced app really be missing something so basic?
    No Gcam had this functionality ever, sorry. Gcam misses some basic functionality like this to make it replaceable for 100% of user base.
     

    temporarium

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    No Gcam had this functionality ever, sorry. Gcam misses some basic functionality like this to make it replaceable for 100% of user base.
    🤔 Not sure I understand your reasoning...

    To me it looks more like creating an artificial need for more online storage space (Google drive/photos) so they can monetize...

    I would hope some of the talented devs out there would be capable of adding such an option. More practical than those "moving" photos, for instance, IMHO.
     

    surferbyter

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    Hi...

    I found the gcam of my dreams. BSG private ... It is difficult to set because it has a myriad of possibilities and sections in the libpatcher but it allows thanks to an excellent noise control and contrast settings to better reduce the sharpness value without losing details but almost eliminating the artifacts that they arise when this is too high.


    Link google drive of no resize photo:
     

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    surferbyter

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    Will that ever be *non* private? 😏
    In truth, even the public version works fine. It has only a little less visible settings but, even if with a little delay compared to the private versions, the improvements are implemented both as compatibility and as settable features. In the path of gcam development you need to understand and resign yourself to one thing, it takes time. Unfortunately, the long time acts a little less towards those who want to experiment and launch themselves towards the new while it acts longer towards those who hope to have everything working with a few taps. If you want to experiment, if you want to understand how the various sets of gcam work, if you want to have new possibilities there are incredibly performing gcam 8. If you want a gcam to be installed, in which to load only an xml, you stay on the gcam 7 with decent results, but limited to what the gcam 7 has achieved.
     
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      I present to you the Google Camera which focuses on natural/realistic photography. Config by me. APK based on MGC v8.1.101 A9 GVb1 by BSG.

      Description:
      - I was tired of seeing oversharpened XMLs for Gcam with excessive use of HDR effect (wider dynamic range than it really is & too much light in photos). I have Nokia 808 Pureview as my backup device which is known as a camera beast. I think that it's processing of photos is the most natural out of all the phones out there. I wanted to achieve the goal to have Poco X3 with the same photo processing as Nokia 808 Pureview. So this Gcam is more focused on hardware than on software photo processing. I will give you a little teaser. Here is the comparison between this Poco X3 Gcam mod & Nokia 808 Pureview (you can ignore contrast artifacts which are fixed):

      Poco X3:

      Nokia 808 Pureview:

      Compared to stock camera & some other Gcam mods, this Gcam offers:
      + better color reproduction
      + better choice of automatic white balance
      + no oversharpening (still has more sharpening than Nokia 808 lmao)
      + finer details
      + low noise
      + good enough & realistic dynamic range
      + real amount of light in photos (in amount of which sensor allows; f.e it's not possible for this sensor to obtain enough amount of light in night)

      Cons:
      - worse dynamic range in more complex scenes (because no HDR effect is used) [complex scene example: you're taking a photo of open window with a lot of light]
      - less light in some objects in more complex scenes (same as above)
      - too strong contrast (sensor limitation, not an app issue)
      - white balance is not always perfect, it can miss white balance indoors, especially when artificial light (bulb, LED) is used
      - ultrawide camera has more saturation than it is in reality, but the other colors are perfectly rendered (fixable)
      - you have to constantly disable AWB If you want better white balance for macro camera as it's not possible currently to choose AWB for individual camera sensors
      - slower camera switching (could be because of APK, also could be the ROM issue)
      - slower photo taking (because I focus on maximum picture quality, I did set the HDR+ Enhanced frames to 48 frames. If you want faster photo taking, use HDR+ instead with some miniscule degradation in photo quality)

      Most of these cons are also in other camera softwares, some of them are sensor limited, i just listed all cons that I could find.

      Download links:
      - APK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/10m0QvpaJK-H1ZhiHerxN4GoPUrrBkfLd/view?usp=sharing
      - SlibP lib: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RjklqejM3lpro3V6Jn1nlzAqh305aCfL/view?usp=sharing
      - XML: https://drive.google.com/file/d/182DNsPdyDQ2f9Zl0B1FwDKoT4O9ZB1l2/view?usp=sharing

      Instructions:
      1. Download & install APK
      2. Download SlibP.so lib & let it stay in Downloads folder
      3. Download my XML & in Gcam double tap the empty space where shutter button is located. Pop up window will appear, just select the downloaded XML
      4. In Gcam settings select option "Custom library" than click "Load custom lib" where you will select the downloaded SlibP.so lib.

      That's it, enjoy!
      5
      Tried BSG's latest private version, everything works perfect so far(haven't tried astrophotography&slowmo), stabilization also works
      Compared to parrot043's gcam:
      Pros:
      • can change to macro lense
      • option to change lense on viewfinder instead of double tap
      • custom libs
      Cons:
      • none so far

      Gcam: https://t.me/BSG_googlecamera/170094?single
      Config: https://t.me/configs_channel/25
      Custom libs: https://t.me/configs_channel/36?single

      There's 4 custom libs:
      lib_r1_final : prefer this one, a little more contrast, doesn't overexpose dark scene like google default lib(it washes out the colour)

      Slibs(A,P,GL): I think these focuses more on accuracy in those order, do note these(especially P&GL) doesn't expose dark scene as much and may seem worse than default lib
      5
      A couple of weeks ago, a friend passed me this mod: it's the premium BSG reworked and improved. Since that day it's the only GCam I use; the results are the best I've ever seen in photography in the Poco X3 NFC, you'll see what this phone is capable of. The mod has 400+ options to configure, including ram patcher and original libpatcher, and the best custom libs. You can build your own configuration, but I strongly recommend the shared xml to get the absolute best results. Wide, macro & selfie are perfect too and the use of sabre in enhanced zooms is fantastic. Video is well configured with the right session number in all lenses, it's perfect and stable. For front cam video maybe you'll have to disable EIS temporaly (remember to enable it again). What I couldn't make work is slow motion and time lapse. Remember to load the shared xml that goes in the folder /GCam/BSG. This is surely the GCam you've been expecting, so enjoy it!
      UPDATE: I have added three additional xmls that also gives great photos, although the main one is still my favorite with superb results. Enjoy!


      3
      I have reduced sharpness and made faster hdr+ enhanced processing in this xml for BSG 8.1 Premium Gcam.
      3
      I've tried many versions of the public BSG GCam, they are very good but I don't like too much those custom libraries that uses; I have also tried the private version and I still think this mod and xml is the best of the best; the mod came to me with the xml so congratulations to whoever made it, I only configured the video sessions. It's configured using a more advanced version of the Google lib.
      I tried your mod & I don't like the oversharpening. I think it's too much. I appreciate the effort to make the images brighter but I feel that it's too much in some cases (mine is too dark in some cases so it's not perfect). Color rendition is great (except some greens which appears brighter than it really is, again, in some cases; mine can have more saturation in orange/yellow color in some cases). I think that there is more noise as OEM noise modeler is used, which is not the best. Also more sharpening is used which contributes to that.

      In more complex scenes, vanpoko's Gcam captures better photos. It takes the object with great balance of lightning & photo has better dynamic range while with my Gcam photo is too dark.

      Gcam performance is better than mine, it switches lenses & mods in a faster way + photos are much quickly processed.

      Video are probably better but I didn't tried it.

      Overall, it's a pretty good Gcam mod, however it's not my favorite (it doesn't meet my taste which doesn't mean that it won't fit yours)

      Here is the comparison if someone is interested.

      Brighter picture is vanpoko's Gcam, darker picture is my Gcam.
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      Hi All, wanted to share my findings with the community. These are purely my personal preferences and opinions. I also have an iPhone XR and use that as a baseline.

      First I am mainly interested in skin tones, I personally feel we are all very attuned to skin tones and that's the best way to get a feel for a camera's quality.

      For things like plants, flowers, landscapes, buildings and objects sometimes it becomes very difficult to tell even poor and good cameras apart.

      So lets begin. All this is on MIUI stock 12.0.3 ROM. I will focus on the main and selfie camera. Haven't tested video or the wide lens.

      The Stock Camera
      The stock camera is decent but has a reddish brownish skin tone. On zoom in many situations you will see smudging. Its also not sharp. The selfie camera suffers from the same problems only more accentuated. Very smudgy, too much contrast, reddish brownish tone and overall lack of clarity and detail. In low light the problems become more accentuated.

      Nikita 7.4 2.0 with Vanpoko's config V3
      Thanks to vanpoko for coming out with various configs for this. This camera is really extraordinary sharp on objects and color is also decent for objects. However its way too sharp for human subjects and gives an unnatural look. Skins tone also look unnatural. The selfie camera is oversharpened and unnatural - its unusable. The sharpening is extreme and skin tones just look off.

      The next 2 are from the Poco X3 camera thread on 4pda. There are more than 650 pages on that thread and I used Google translate to read some of them. There are a lot of configs, versions, differing opinions, samples to wade through.


      BSG 8.1 GVq
      This one is quite good out of the box. If you have a pet you will get fantastic pictures out of the box with BSG with proper color, detail, sharpness and proper definition on the eyes. Its way way better than stock and in some cases beats my iPhone XR for pets. The colors are on point though some may find it a bit faded. Skin tones are well represented in both good light and low light situations. There is details and none of the smudging you see on the stock. The selfie camera is also good for skin tones, again some may find this slightly washed out but the details are well captured. A simply brightening and contrast in the default image editor will dramatically improve the image for most tastes.

      This camera is extremely good for pets. This is on out of the box config. For main lens in the settings I used Pixel4 for both HDR+ and AWB correction. These settings are in settings -> additional modules settings -> settings back lens. For selfie camera I found Samsung T2 AWB gave the best colors. This is in settings -> additional modules settings -> settings front lens -> awb correction. For the custom library I used Lib r1_01_Final - the skin tone colors are slightly better here than the default Google lib. There are many other BSG versions on the 4pda thread but I found the GVq versions shared there worked well. Its available on celsoazevedo Gcam site. Its the 8.1.101_A9_GVq one.


      Aspen 8.1.200 and 8.1.011.194
      There is not much discussion on this Gcam mod on XDA or on celsoazevedo. Both along with BSG are highly rated on the 4pda thread. I found 8.1.200 nearly as good as BSG, just a slightly different color tone. Its also nearly as sharp as BSG. For the Selfie camera, some may find this better than BSG. Unfortunately the apks and configs are only available in the 4pda thread. The best library I found for color accuracy was 1.8re which many on the thread recommend. Like BSG the Aspen 1.8.200 is much better for skin tones, pets and many other things than the stock cameras.

      The 8.1.011.194 version is extremely similar to the 8.1.200 version. Its slightly less sharp I found for pets and skin tones, and the selfie is just slightly, very slightly more natural looking. Again this is with lib1.8re. The other popular lib is 1.9final and I found 1.8re is generally better for skin tones on the front camera. The main camera is quite similar. On Aspen default AWB on gives a cooler more 'pastely' color tone but you can put it off to get a slightly warmer more accurate tone closer to BSG.

      The 4pda thread is very confusing but for Aspen the bulk of the posts, configs and apks is shared by user Paradisoko. There are also a lot of useful posts and real world comparisons by both paradisoko and hulksvs on Aspen 8.1 and BSG. Thanks to both of these users and the 4pda community for providing a mod that improves the Poco default camera. One thing to note is Aspen does not support the wide camera while BSG does. I haven't tested much video but BSG records 1080p stabilized.

      I think most users will find BSG 8.1 a good alternative to the stock cam. It works well out of the box for the X3 and I personally think colors are extremely accurate and skin tone and details is perhaps as good as the camera hardware allows. Aspen 8.1.200 is also worth trying, its very good, and you can install and use both together. Hope this was useful to users here.
      10
      Hi everyone. I'm using the new Poco X3 since yesterday and it's a blast. Do you know of any GCam port available for this phone?
      10
      I present to you the Google Camera which focuses on natural/realistic photography. Config by me. APK based on MGC v8.1.101 A9 GVb1 by BSG.

      Description:
      - I was tired of seeing oversharpened XMLs for Gcam with excessive use of HDR effect (wider dynamic range than it really is & too much light in photos). I have Nokia 808 Pureview as my backup device which is known as a camera beast. I think that it's processing of photos is the most natural out of all the phones out there. I wanted to achieve the goal to have Poco X3 with the same photo processing as Nokia 808 Pureview. So this Gcam is more focused on hardware than on software photo processing. I will give you a little teaser. Here is the comparison between this Poco X3 Gcam mod & Nokia 808 Pureview (you can ignore contrast artifacts which are fixed):

      Poco X3:

      Nokia 808 Pureview:

      Compared to stock camera & some other Gcam mods, this Gcam offers:
      + better color reproduction
      + better choice of automatic white balance
      + no oversharpening (still has more sharpening than Nokia 808 lmao)
      + finer details
      + low noise
      + good enough & realistic dynamic range
      + real amount of light in photos (in amount of which sensor allows; f.e it's not possible for this sensor to obtain enough amount of light in night)

      Cons:
      - worse dynamic range in more complex scenes (because no HDR effect is used) [complex scene example: you're taking a photo of open window with a lot of light]
      - less light in some objects in more complex scenes (same as above)
      - too strong contrast (sensor limitation, not an app issue)
      - white balance is not always perfect, it can miss white balance indoors, especially when artificial light (bulb, LED) is used
      - ultrawide camera has more saturation than it is in reality, but the other colors are perfectly rendered (fixable)
      - you have to constantly disable AWB If you want better white balance for macro camera as it's not possible currently to choose AWB for individual camera sensors
      - slower camera switching (could be because of APK, also could be the ROM issue)
      - slower photo taking (because I focus on maximum picture quality, I did set the HDR+ Enhanced frames to 48 frames. If you want faster photo taking, use HDR+ instead with some miniscule degradation in photo quality)

      Most of these cons are also in other camera softwares, some of them are sensor limited, i just listed all cons that I could find.

      Download links:
      - APK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/10m0QvpaJK-H1ZhiHerxN4GoPUrrBkfLd/view?usp=sharing
      - SlibP lib: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RjklqejM3lpro3V6Jn1nlzAqh305aCfL/view?usp=sharing
      - XML: https://drive.google.com/file/d/182DNsPdyDQ2f9Zl0B1FwDKoT4O9ZB1l2/view?usp=sharing

      Instructions:
      1. Download & install APK
      2. Download SlibP.so lib & let it stay in Downloads folder
      3. Download my XML & in Gcam double tap the empty space where shutter button is located. Pop up window will appear, just select the downloaded XML
      4. In Gcam settings select option "Custom library" than click "Load custom lib" where you will select the downloaded SlibP.so lib.

      That's it, enjoy!
      8
      These are my definitive xmls for NGCam 2.0 and trCamera_Xmas_Release; everything is working OK and smoothly and auxiliary lenses are almost perfect now, as they were the most difficult to achieve a good level of quality and denoise (for me, the premade noise models are horrible).
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      Trcam dec 2020


      Clone version


      It is convenient to have two trcam so you can use two different xml, for example one with high sharpness for landscapes, architecture and the like and one with softer details for human figures and selfies ..