Google Totally Ruined RCS

[antawnm26]

Google will find a way to ruin anything its sad... All they had to do was not F this up and keep it out of the carriers hand and build out their servers and data center like Apple and they would of had a winning combo...I don't want to hear about its apps or that app its about a seamless process period if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...nce-coalition-to-deploy-rcs-messaging-in-2020

 

[ran816]

RCS messaging app is not yet officially announced. Once they announce hopefully it will be preinstalled in every android phone from 1.1.2020. I think we need a messaging app like imessages for all phones regardless operating systems. There should not be any boundaries.

 

[pcriz]

if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period

Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??

 

[antawnm26]

Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??

No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me

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[pcriz]

No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me

I mean it's a back and forth. Let's say they push Google out, what leverage do they really have? To say they ruined is assumed they are willfully saying screw it despite being able to do something. What weight can Google pull against the carriers that won't affect their money?

 

[Nastrahl]

They did it in France and some other countries because operators wouldn't implement it. Still, no SMS apps beside Google's and Samsung's one are RCS compatible, and the later can't use it with Google's servers so there's basically just Google alone and quite nobody use its app so there's no point at all.

 

[Tidbits]

I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.

Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.

 

[antawnm26]

I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.

Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.

Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy


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[pcriz]

Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy

Depends on the country. In korea is kakaotalk

In most of europe it is whatsapp.

We dont NEED RCS and did someone say RCS is getting rid of charging for texting over country lines?

I feel like the rest of the world has already solved this issue. It's not really something we are waiting for RCS to fix

 

[winol]

I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...

 

[Tidbits]

Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy

It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.

 

[pcriz]

I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...

I dont think that many folks are upset. The US in particular is just behind the curve when it comes to messaging because the majority of Americans have zero reason to be worried about international charges because most of us arent communicating outside the united states and if we are it's usually Mexico and Canada which some carriers have plans to make even that free. Add to that unlimited texting on literally any plan.

So unless you are on an iphone you are probably using SMS as your main method of messaging.

Then we take into account some where like europe where a train ride can take you through multiple countries in a day, you then need to start considering international SMS charges. So people start using WhatsApp or Viber. Or India where bargain android phones rule and mobile plans arent that great so people instead opt to use messaging apps over sms.

 

[Nastrahl]

I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...

Because they are annoyed about having 32 7573 different apps for doing the same things.

The others got some great features but always at for basic ones, or had flaws.

For example : most people wanted/needed is an IRC with an integrated friend list since 20 years and only Discord provide that, but : privacy/security are opaque, you don't know how it's secured, you can't create your own server for better perfs, plus they sell features although it could have been free if servers would have been charged by yourself.

Telegram has awful group management and security is opaque too.

Whatsapp and its theme management? What's appearance anyway? Security and privacy are also obscure.

The only ones that can guarantee your privacy are Olvid and Wire, but I didn't tested what features they got.

 

[antawnm26]

It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.

smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?

 

[Tidbits]

smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?

Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.

iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.

You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.

 

[pcriz]

Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.

iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.

You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.

Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.

iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.

Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.

 

[Tidbits]

Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.

iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.

Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.

Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.

 

[antawnm26]

Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.

Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal


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[Tidbits]

Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal


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It doesn't matter with RCS or universal profile. If carriers follow the protocol that's 1.0 or higher ANY messaging app will work included ones that are "preinstalled" with a device. I don't see why Google is taking flack for something that benefits us regardless of they controlled it or not. Shoot if you wanted to you can build out a small server of your own and it should interlope with any persons using Universal profile and bypass major carriers(see Android messages with work around as an example) provided you use Universal Profile. Samsung, and Google have their own servers and they are interloping. Sprint already uses 2.0+, T-Mobile uses 1.0(upgrading to 2.0 probably when merger completes), and be ready for multiple devices.

https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/rcs/universal-profile/
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-google-collaborate-on-rcs-messaging-for-android

So when carriers roll out UP 2.0 or newer doesn't matter what messaging app you use. The stock or preinstalled will work as that's one of the requirements much like SMS is.

Personally I use Signal because of encryption. That's all I really care about.