[Guide] How to install roms on over stock rom (not compromising space), via ss.

[n00b1269]

That was just a play on words with my name

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[R-1 Rider]

Great write up. I was curious as to what the effects would be of deleting Safestrap after loading the new rom on the stock slot? Will that work, or will very bad things happen? I currently am running HD on the stock side and do not need multiple roms on my device. If I have to Odin back and start from scratch.....it won't be the first time.....

 

[hctimin]

Did you have any idea where the backup is stored?

Answered my own question by clicking the button and testing it out to see that you can specify where you want the image to be saved.

I was hoping to be able to make a backup of the Stock slot then wipe that slot out, but there's only the option to activate that slot.

Guess I'll run multiple ROMs for now and see how they shake out.

 

[bossei]

Did you have any idea where the backup is stored?

Answered my own question by clicking the button and testing it out to see that you can specify where you want the image to be saved.

I was hoping to be able to make a backup of the Stock slot then wipe that slot out, but there's only the option to activate that slot.

Guess I'll run multiple ROMs for now and see how they shake out.

In his response to my question he stated that you can indeed backup the stock slot and then restore your backup from slot 1 to the stock slot. Or I'm guessing if you're brave you can activate the stock slot, back it up and then wipe it and install your new custom ROM.

 

[yakitori2]

thanks for the writeup! I plan on doing this on Jellybeans next release that fixes a few minor things in build 1. I will be running that from my stock slot.

I have 1 question though.

What IF:

after restoring the backed up rom to stock slot...and deleting the slot 1 rom partition...when I boot into the rom I restored to the stock slot (jelly beans in my case), after I boot into the rom...Safestrap will not be in my app drawer....so...would it be ill advised to download SS and install recovery again from the stock slot that I restored?

Because if you delete the original stock slot.....chances are your SS app is gone bye bye in the drawer. Is it okay to install it again? I know SS recovery will still be installed afterwards right? This gets a bit confusing after reading. Sorry

 

[mrwebb]

If I'm wanting to keep one back up of a custom Rom in slot 1 at all times, would I just activate that slot and back up the Rom to that slot once I set the Rom up to my liking? Im sure my stock rom slot is the original backup I made of stock & rooted.

 

[jmorton10]

If I'm wanting to keep one back up of a custom Rom in slot 1 at all times, would I just activate that slot and back up the Rom to that slot once I set the Rom up to my liking? Im sure my stock rom slot is the original backup I made of stock & rooted.

That's exactly what I did.

 

[bd177]

If I'm wanting to keep one back up of a custom Rom in slot 1 at all times, would I just activate that slot and back up the Rom to that slot once I set the Rom up to my liking? Im sure my stock rom slot is the original backup I made of stock & rooted.

I'm pretty sure the backups are independent of the Slots. So you could backup the custom rom in Slot 1 and then blow away Slot 1. You would still have the backup of the custom rom to restore to whatever Slot you wanted to.

 

[ZuneNinja!]

So, if i'm currently rooted on MI9 using Root De La Vega, can I just follow the instructions exactly? I've read on rootzwiki forums in the equivalent thread saying you needed to unroot and unfreeze apps and all these shenanigans .

 

[yakitori2]

So, if i'm currently rooted on MI9 using Root De La Vega, can I just follow the instructions exactly? I've read on rootzwiki forums in the equivalent thread saying you needed to unroot and unfreeze apps and all these shenanigans .

Why are u still on mi9. Update to my and proceed. Odin my and root with kingo. No data loss

 

[haza12d]

So, if i'm currently rooted on MI9 using Root De La Vega, can I follow the instructions exactly I've read on rootzwiki forums in the equivalent thread saying you needed to unroot and unfreeze apps and all these shenanigans .

Yep!

 

[yakitori2]

does anybody know? I have seen this question asked a couple times and no answer, but its a pretty critical quesiton in my opinion.


If you restore a custom rom into the stock slot and have wiped the stock slot...you also got rid of the SS app. Is it advised to reinstall SS app and install SS recovery from the new rom on the stock slot?

Or will it kaborky stuff

 

[Epic 4g]

Ok just so I understand...

I am new to SS because I have always used TWRP as my recovery on most of my rooted devices. If I do this & say install Jelly Beans as my "STOCK ROM SLOT" can I always flash a STOCK MI9 TAR in Odin to get back to a STOCK base & then do the "Root De La Vega" to gain root again?!? I am not feeling this "new" one click Kingo app root method.... Something doesn't feel right with it.

Sorry for this question but locked bootloaders & SS are definitely new to me coming from Nexus devices & HTC devices. I think I got it but I rather be 100% safe than sorry. lol :silly:

Thanks to anyone whom can answer this question.

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does anybody know? I have seen this question asked a couple times and no answer, but its a pretty critical quesiton in my opinion.


If you restore a custom rom into the stock slot and have wiped the stock slot...you also got rid of the SS app. Is it advised to reinstall SS app and install SS recovery from the new rom on the stock slot?

Or will it kaborky stuff

From what I understand you need SS to flash a custom ROM in a ROM slot. It looks like SS is already there with the custom ROM because when you boot into the custom ROM there is a SS splash screen, meaning SS is there.

 

[yakitori2]

So I'm guessing that it would be wise to keep a backup of original stock rom in order to be able to go back and update ss when hash updates ss?

 

[hctimin]

does anybody know? I have seen this question asked a couple times and no answer, but its a pretty critical quesiton in my opinion.


If you restore a custom rom into the stock slot and have wiped the stock slot...you also got rid of the SS app. Is it advised to reinstall SS app and install SS recovery from the new rom on the stock slot?

Or will it kaborky stuff

I did this the day yesterday as I made Beans my primary ROM.

1. Backed up Stock Slot
2. Restored back up to open ROM slot
3. Booted from restored slot to ensure functionality
4. Backed up Beans ROM
5. Restored Beans backup to Stock slot
6. Deleted un-used ROM slots [Stock and Beans in ROM slot 1-4]
7. Booted into Beans on Stock slot
8. Re-installed SS
9. Enjoy.

FYI,

Just checked Knox and still 0x0 and SS is installed and working. Nothing in any of the ROM slots, but I figured it's handy to have installed just in case!

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So I'm guessing that it would be wise to keep a backup of original stock rom in order to be able to go back and update ss when hash updates ss?

FYI,

To answer this question, I did leave a copy of the Stock ROM slot on my SD card just in case.

 

[pcss911]

SS with max space

Apologies if this has been covered already; I read all I could, in multiple forums. I don't yet have the VZW N3, and am still on the fence whether to choose retail or DE. My question is - with SS, what is the maximum size that can be chosen for a ROM slot? For example, I have little interest in establishing a multi-boot environment; I would likely set up one ROM (Beans' looks to be quite good for my purposes), and wish to not need to sacrifice too much of the internal storage for apps, media, etc.

With 32GB on the device, and with a ROM taking maybe a couple, I'm hoping it's possible to have the remainder (or most of it) at my disposal, fully accessible by the one ROM I boot with.

Anyone care to comment/advise on the best way to arrange this, while keeping SS active? That last point is in reference to my possibly getting the DE, and not wishing to trip KNOX.

If I understand the OP correctly, it would appear that that describes exactly what I am after, but without sufficient experience in these matters, I wanted to ask for confirmation

TIA

 

[haza12d]

Apologies if this has been covered already; I read all I could, in multiple forums. I don't yet have the VZW N3, and am still on the fence whether to choose retail or DE. My question is - with SS, what is the maximum size that can be chosen for a ROM slot? For example, I have little interest in establishing a multi-boot environment; I would likely set up one ROM (Beans' looks to be quite good for my purposes), and wish to not need to sacrifice too much of the internal storage for apps, media, etc.

With 32GB on the device, and with a ROM taking maybe a couple, I'm hoping it's possible to have the remainder (or most of it) at my disposal, fully accessible by the one ROM I boot with.

Anyone care to comment/advise on the best way to arrange this, while keeping SS active? That last point is in reference to my possibly getting the DE, and not wishing to trip KNOX.

If I understand the OP correctly, it would appear that that describes exactly what I am after, but without sufficient experience in these matters, I wanted to ask for confirmation

TIA

It's not possible to have access to all 32GB of storage while on an active ROM slot.

If you're not planning on booting multiple ROMs then just follow the OP, installing Beans' ROM in the process. This will give you access to all of the internal storage of the device.

 

[hctimin]

I think that if you're able to get a DE, I would.

Right now things are working on the retail version thanks to all the hard work from the devs, but there may come a point where VZW or Samsung releases something that stops the workarounds. With a DE, this wouldn't be a concern for you.

In all honestly, running this thing stock is actually surprisingly acceptable to me, BUT! I like being able to customize things if it's possible. I could turn around, sell the retail and pick up a DE, but I'd rather not have to deal with that hassle since I already had the phone in hand.

I'm a newly returned Android user, and didn't know about Dev editions or the likelihood of the Note 3 actually having a DE, since it was rumored, etc,.... If I knew for sure that there would be a DE, I'd have gone that route. Maybe next time,...

 

[pcss911]

It's not possible to have access to all 32GB of storage while on an active ROM slot.

If you're not planning on booting multiple ROMs then just follow the OP, installing Beans' ROM in the process. This will give you access to all of the internal storage of the device.

Thank you very kindly for the quick reply. Just so I'm clear - If I follow the OP, I will end up with Beans ROM, have access to the full storage capacity just as if I had remained stock and never bothered with SS, and Knox remains at 0x0? Will this process also grant me root access, and if so, would it be the "Kingo" method? To clarify, when installing Beans ROM, is it already pre-rooted, and if so, is it MI9 or MJ7, and if MJ7, would the Kingo method have been involved?

Thanks again for taking the time to assist an inexperienced modder.

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I think that if you're able to get a DE, I would.

Right now things are working on the retail version thanks to all the hard work from the devs, but there may come a point where VZW or Samsung releases something that stops the workarounds. With a DE, this wouldn't be a concern for you.

In all honestly, running this thing stock is actually surprisingly acceptable to me, BUT! I like being able to customize things if it's possible. I could turn around, sell the retail and pick up a DE, but I'd rather not have to deal with that hassle since I already had the phone in hand.

I'm a newly returned Android user, and didn't know about Dev editions or the likelihood of the Note 3 actually having a DE, since it was rumored, etc,.... If I knew for sure that there would be a DE, I'd have gone that route. Maybe next time,...

I agree with the logic behind getting the DE, but if I understand correctly, it so far does not yet have a fallback position in the form of a stock tar. Also, with regard to retail updates spoiling the party, isn't it simple enough to merely inhibit future updates by freezing a process in TB? Understanding, of course, that I would then be "stuck" at that revision level. That's the approach I took with the S3 I'm still on, which is unlocked and rooted, still at ICS 4.04, and still working great.

 

[Brandonrz]

Thank you very kindly for the quick reply. Just so I'm clear - If I follow the OP, I will end up with Beans ROM, have access to the full storage capacity just as if I had remained stock and never bothered with SS, and Knox remains at 0x0? Will this process also grant me root access, and if so, would it be the "Kingo" method? To clarify, when installing Beans ROM, is it already pre-rooted, and if so, is it MI9 or MJ7, and if MJ7, would the Kingo method have been involved?

Thanks again for taking the time to assist an inexperienced modder.

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I agree with the logic behind getting the DE, but if I understand correctly, it so far does not yet have a fallback position in the form of a stock tar. Also, with regard to retail updates spoiling the party, isn't it simple enough to merely inhibit future updates by freezing a process in TB? Understanding, of course, that I would then be "stuck" at that revision level. That's the approach I took with the S3 I'm still on, which is unlocked and rooted, still at ICS 4.04, and still working great.

If you end following my guide you will end up having beans rom installed with no partitioning, this is the equivalent of If you had twrp on the recovery partition of an unlocked device for flashing roms. And there is no update trouble, people who clicked update knew well of the consequences. And I'm pretty sure everyone on here knows what to do to stop the notifications via freezing or removing "sdm". But you could still root via kingo, so that's no problem. In my opinion there is no real advantage of the dev edition, you can flash full roms. People can argue you can't flash aosp to the stock, but that totally takes away the "note" experience or aspect. Because all the pen can do on aosp is be a regular pen without airview, actionmemo and stuff. Plus when you flash via twrp on the dev edition it trips knox. But with ss it remains at 0x0.

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