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10 post count

Not to harp too much on this whole 10-post count minimum thingy but how many of the hundreds of thousands who use this forum actually have useful information to contribute. Most of the questions asked by most of the users come in two types: people too lazy to use Google or another search engine, and people too lazy to read the previous posts (make use of the search forum/thread tool).

That being said, most of the people who know stuff and actually want to contribute go to where there are other like-minded people who have the knowledge and the work ethic to ask non-stupid or ignorant questions. These people form a somewhat happy core that works well amongst each other improving their various projects.

Now for any given noob who has the average consumer intelligence (in other words: not much) but wants to improve upon the device they bought; they are stuck reading through the many posts in the development fora (which we all know are more useful than the Q&A for most issues). In the unlikely event that the aforementioned noob cannot solve his/her problem by scouring through answers to questions that have already been asked, they are counseled to make "meaningful and useful contributions" to the xda community.

Forgive me, but I just don't understand how that makes sense. Someone needs help because they don't know the answer so they look through the posted answers (they are unable to post their question because there is a post-count minimum) and doesn't find a solution. Now this same person who is still having issues is supposed to make a meaningful contribution to another new user. If they had a meaningful response then they wouldn't have any questions to ask because they would have found the answer already and therefore would have no reason to post anything...

Now I don't really have a better solution and I'm really just ticked cause I am unable to root my phone and I want an accurate answer to my problem to come immediately. I also do understand that there are a ton of users who visit this forum and a lot of them would spam it with questions that have already been answered multiple times in numerous threads. But, that doesn't mean the system doesn't have some flaws and I'm sure there are enough problem solvers out here to come up with a more effective way to cut down on the spam while allowing new users to learn in an environment that is not at their throats for being newcomers.
 

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Not to harp too much on this whole 10-post count minimum thingy but how many of the hundreds of thousands who use this forum actually have useful information to contribute. Most of the questions asked by most of the users come in two types: people too lazy to use Google or another search engine, and people too lazy to read the previous posts (make use of the search forum/thread tool).

That being said, most of the people who know stuff and actually want to contribute go to where there are other like-minded people who have the knowledge and the work ethic to ask non-stupid or ignorant questions. These people form a somewhat happy core that works well amongst each other improving their various projects.

Now for any given noob who has the average consumer intelligence (in other words: not much) but wants to improve upon the device they bought; they are stuck reading through the many posts in the development fora (which we all know are more useful than the Q&A for most issues). In the unlikely event that the aforementioned noob cannot solve his/her problem by scouring through answers to questions that have already been asked, they are counseled to make "meaningful and useful contributions" to the xda community.

Forgive me, but I just don't understand how that makes sense. Someone needs help because they don't know the answer so they look through the posted answers (they are unable to post their question because there is a post-count minimum) and doesn't find a solution. Now this same person who is still having issues is supposed to make a meaningful contribution to another new user. If they had a meaningful response then they wouldn't have any questions to ask because they would have found the answer already and therefore would have no reason to post anything...

Now I don't really have a better solution and I'm really just ticked cause I am unable to root my phone and I want an accurate answer to my problem to come immediately. I also do understand that there are a ton of users who visit this forum and a lot of them would spam it with questions that have already been answered multiple times in numerous threads. But, that doesn't mean the system doesn't have some flaws and I'm sure there are enough problem solvers out here to come up with a more effective way to cut down on the spam while allowing new users to learn in an environment that is not at their throats for being newcomers.

I'm 99% sure question you have to ask has already been answered, you just need to look for it better. Maybe not in that exact form, but that's why we humans have advanced logic, to add 2+2.

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Takoma Park
I'm 99% sure question you have to ask has already been answered, you just need to look for it better. Maybe not in that exact form, but that's why we humans have advanced logic, to add 2+2.

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And on the 1% chance you're wrong your response was neither constructive nor did it add anything meaningful to the discussion because 90% of the senior members have already said that same thing in various ways in various places.
But I have seen people with similar (or actually the same issue I'm having) in this wonderful thread. The response is always a version of "If you followed the instructions then you wouldn't have any problems because this method is proven to work for multiple people."

I do apologize for being unable to accurately follow the method. Believe me it's just as frustrating for me as it is for you, if not more so, because I can't do what I want to. On a slightly related note, that is a development thread which is 1000...I don't have enough space for the zeros...00% more useful than all of the Q&A threads combined.
 

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Normally I just flash rooted ROMs, is that not an option on your device?

And on the 1% chance you're wrong your response was neither constructive nor did it add anything meaningful to the discussion because 90% of the senior members have already said that same thing in various ways in various places.
But I have seen people with similar (or actually the same issue I'm having) in this wonderful thread. The response is always a version of "If you followed the instructions then you wouldn't have any problems because this method is proven to work for multiple people."

I do apologize for being unable to accurately follow the method. Believe me it's just as frustrating for me as it is for you, if not more so, because I can't do what I want to. On a slightly related note, that is a development thread which is 1000...I don't have enough space for the zeros...00% more useful than all of the Q&A threads combined.
 
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Well the issue I have is that I can't get my computer to recognize my phone when I pull up the command line. I'm fairly certain I downloaded the correct files and flashed the right kernel and yet... But I'll try again after when I have my patience back cause as it is I spend more time fuming than trying to fix anything.

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Well the issue I have is that I can't get my computer to recognize my phone when I pull up the command line. I'm fairly certain I downloaded the correct files and flashed the right kernel and yet... But I'll try again after when I have my patience back cause as it is I spend more time fuming than trying to fix anything.

Sent from my LT22i using xda app-developers app

That is down to missing or incorrect drivers on PC. Also, not many people know, that using usb hubs can cause issues. While I'm not even aware of your device, PM me with the full story of what you have done and what you are trying to achieve and I'll try to work it out for you.

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Iam in ful agreement with 10 post rule as, it prevents spam and also some new users who dont have much knowledge from posting in dev thread and spamming.
This encourages people to read more instead of blindly posting questions.
I know its annoying but its also necessary
It also weeds out users who have no serious heart for contributing to community(not al lthough)
Also many people have been making puppy accounts and this rule prevents them from spamming much.
I found this giude very useful and i hope i can become better and more useful by following it.
But there is only one problem, those who already are devs but have just joined xda cant post in dev threads. But this has to be done for the sake of the whole community. Also ten posts isnt that much.
Clicked thanks for this useful thread.
 

mikef

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Iam in ful agreement with 10 post rule as, it prevents spam and also some new users who dont have much knowledge from posting in dev thread and spamming.
This encourages people to read more instead of blindly posting questions.
I know its annoying but its also necessary
It also weeds out users who have no serious heart for contributing to community(not al lthough)
Also many people have been making puppy accounts and this rule prevents them from spamming much.
I found this giude very useful and i hope i can become better and more useful by following it.
But there is only one problem, those who already are devs but have just joined xda cant post in dev threads. But this has to be done for the sake of the whole community. Also ten posts isnt that much.
Clicked thanks for this useful thread.

Thanks!. Devs in that position could always PM a senior mod or admin to request that the restriction be lifted, but mostly from what I have seen they simply make 10 good posts and more.

Welcome to XDA.
 

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For what its worth,I support the idea of an mandatory "forum basics orientation"... I have been a poor-contributing member for some time and i plan to change that. Thanks for the time and effort put into this post and helping me;
 

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jvc931

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Thanks for the guide help me to resolve some dudes.
And talking about the rule of ten post is a good idea because have a lot of people to only need to ask one question and this question was answered in the same post but the people no read only make the account to ask and this have a lot of spam of the same question.
 

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Just to give the perspective of a new member who may not be experienced posting in forums, but is generally considered both tactful, and respectful and also understands that there is a huge problem with spam:
On my first post I simply wanted to share a screenshot of my home screen when I was notified of the 10 post rule, when I went to comment on the fact that I couldn't post my screen shot I was greeted with another restriction that I could not post for another 5 minutes. Obviously spam must be combated in whatever ways necessary but I feel like there is a middle ground where new members could feel slightly more comfortable in sharing. :thumbup:

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
 

mikef

Retired Senior Moderator
Just to give the perspective of a new member who may not be experienced posting in forums, but is generally considered both tactful, and respectful and also understands that there is a huge problem with spam:
On my first post I simply wanted to share a screenshot of my home screen when I was notified of the 10 post rule, when I went to comment on the fact that I couldn't post my screen shot I was greeted with another restriction that I could not post for another 5 minutes. Obviously spam must be combated in whatever ways necessary but I feel like there is a middle ground where new members could feel slightly more comfortable in sharing. :thumbup:

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

I understand, but honestly this is the middle ground. As it is, spammers are still able to get in here daily and post their stuff before we can clean it out, despite the efforts of top devs and dozens of moderators.

It does get better though. The restrictions don't last that long and it is worth it. :D

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Hi...

I am a xda premium user and wondering how to make a shortcut of my favorite thread on my desktop...that should be a benefit of the premium app....

Thnx in advance

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    Making a donation is neither expected or required, but are always gratefully received and appreciated.
    There are "Donate to me" icons above people's avatar, or in their signatures.
    You can also donate to XDA by clicking HERE.
    When you donate 10 EUROS to XDA,you get rewarded with a STAR which is displayed below your avatar.
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    If you buy 10 STARS ,you will be rewarded with a
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    .

    Remember, always be respectful of other members here and considerate. Most people here are doing
    this for nothing more than the feeling of helping people as we have been helped by other people previously,
    and sometimes the occasional press of the thanks button. We aren't making money here and this isn't
    a job, so please don't tell people what to do or demand things of people such as mods or custom ROM
    configs to suit you and you will do just fine here.


    ~~~Other Helpful Links~~~
    Get an extra 5GB at copy.com! :)
    [HOW TO] make a good THREAD, POST, QUESTION and POLL
    Help Your Threads Get More Search Hits with Better Titles and Thread Tags!
    [Tutorial] How To Logcat
    [GUIDE] How to give constructive feedback to developers
    [ADB/FB/APX Driver] Universal Naked Driver 0.7
    Chef Central
    Android Application Development Videos
    [Ultimate Guide]Android App Development - From Scratch
    How to Apply for Recognized Developer
    XDA Recognized Developer Program Expansion - Do you contribute enough work to be a Recognized Contributor or Recognized Themer?
    xda-developers: The History -Part One-
    xda-developers: The-History-Part Two/
    XDA Through the Years: A Visual History


    I am leaving this open for now, but please, in the spirit of what I have written above, please only post
    suggestions you feel will improve this guide. I hope this guide helps you and makes your experience
    on XDA a better one. I appreciate your thanks, but I will appreciate you even more if you take this guide
    to heart and really do it while you are here. Thank you for reading.