HD+ Operational floor 3GB?

[rushless]

As especially folks in this forum know, Android likes having free storage space for data and app updates. Depending on the apps you use and what you are trying to update, an Android device can start having install errors and start also slowing down anywhere on average from 500MB to 1GB.

The Nook HD+ though seems to start getting freaky if less than 3GB. I noticed this after reinstalling NFSMW, which needs 2.26GB to operate. Everything was fine when I installed this game with more space, but I had about 2.9GB free after installing that game as one of my apps to remain on the Nook. Once going below 3GB, all apps were very-very slow to start (5 to 10 seconds) and a lot of app crashes. I booted to the image disk and cleared cache, but the only thing that worked was to unintall NFSMW (I also had to manually delete the 1.8GB data file, since it did not uninstall).

The Nook HD+ from that point went from a speedy great device to near junk. I have tested this several times with other large apps with the same result.

On a positive note, the Nook HD+ works great with all Bluetooth gamepads I tested and the emulators. Did not try a PS3 controller, since did not expect it work.

 

[leapinlar]

With the Nook HD/HD+, the /data storage system is different than many older devices. If you look at my HD/HD+ Tips thread linked in my signature you will learn more. The bottom line is that /data and /media (sdcard) share the free space on the device. The HD+ comes with either 12GB or 28GB of free space depending on which model you have. As you add media files you start restricting /data. So to get more /data space, delete files on sdcard or move them to external SD.


Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.

 

[rushless]

Given your great results making the device better, your word holds firm meaning for me. The issue here though is I see discrete totals in the storage tab for both internal and micro sd and see no aggrergate total for both. I have had 624mb free in the 32gb micro sd since getting the Nook and had about 5.5GB free with internal. Everything is fine until the internal gets below 3GB and the tablet turns to mud. The micro sd content has not deviated. Added: I have also used without the sd card installed and same issue. Performance is awful if near or less than 3gb.

Also, even after getting storage back to 5.5GB free, the device does not seem as zippy in spite of claering the cache as well. The device is not getting hot, so not an issue of a rogue app sucking up cpu cycles. I thought maybe the battery saver mode was activated, but it is not. That would not have slowed things down that much anyway.

Also, for some reason games like Asphalt 7 take forever to load up. Some big games are about normal, some take literally six to ten times longer to load up (on average). A7 seems the worst of the games for loading slow. I think I recall a few reviews commenting on this, but did not understand what they were talking about. Must be the way the data is compiled and placed in storage.


Added: Actually after more review, all the games I have tested load slowly. This is in contrast to when games install, it is faster than other devices. I did not notice when testing since was more a focus on gameplay. Some games load up real fast on other devices, so I did not notice when others were slow. Was testing off and on through several days with no time contraints. The big data games are the snail slow loaders.

That is odd to have the device that is the fastest installing games and updating, but the absolute slowest loading them to play. They are not slow during gameplay, but do slow down when levels load.

 

[leapinlar]

Given your great results making the device better, your word holds firm meaning for me. The issue here though is I see discrete totals in the storage tab for both internal and micro sd and see no aggrergate total for both. I have had 624mb free in the 32gb micro sd since getting the Nook and had about 5.5GB free with internal. Everything is fine until the internal gets below 3GB and the tablet turns to mud. The micro sd content has not deviated. Added: I have also used without the sd card installed and same issue. Performance is awful if near or less than 3gb.

Part of the problem is you are confusing "SD card" and "sdcard". They are two different things. "SD card" in settings is your external SD. And internal is the combined /data and /media (sdcard). If you were to look at "sdcard" with your file manager, you would see the same amount of free space available as it shows in settings for internal. If you look at /mnt/ext_sdcard with your file manager, you will see it has the same amount of free space shown in "SD card" in settings.

So how the confusion comes about is that apps use the internal "sdcard" to store their media data files instead of the external SD. This decreases the amount of free space for new apps to install to and operate.

If you want your apps to use the external SD for storing their media files, I have a zip on my HD/HD+ CWM thread linked in my signature that will swap the internal "sdcard" and the external "ext_sdcard" so that apps will use the external SD. Doing that helps in two ways. It stops your apps from clogging up your internal space with media files, leaving more room for your apps themselves. Second, generally large external SDs have even more media space.

Now, about your 32GB external SD having only 624MB free, you must have your CWM SD or a Hybrid SD inserted in the slot for it to only show 624MB free. Either that or you have a HUGE amount of media files there.

If you have your CWM SD inserted, you should not be using it for external storage, it should be removed and stored away and another card used.

If you have the Hybrid SD inserted, you need to flash my zip from my Hybrid thread that lets stock see the large media partition on the Hybrid SD instead of just the small boot partition.

I know it is confusing, but once you understand it, you can set your system up to hum.

Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.

 

[rushless]

I appreciate the difference between the storage and that is what I am referring to. Mapping has been that way since ICS. It was changed after HC due to Android team getting rid of apps2sd. App data needs to be mapped to the first concurrent "sd" that is mapped. The internal "sd". My external sd is loaded with MAMEreloaded and PSX roms, so yes, it is filled up with 624mb left and the internal sd (called same thing on all ICS and JB devices) has 5.5gb free.

That was my point about the operational floor, since the HD+ appears to not like going below 3gb. BTW' though I missed the the terminology on permissions and unknown sources, it does not mean I am a tech illiterate In my defense though, from a framework standpoint, they are the same thing as far as permissions to access secure layers of the framework. If Android team had their complete way, no side loading would be allowed and external sd cards would be gone as well. They seem to strive to be more like iOS more each year.

In summary, I appreciate that the external card is mapped with an ext suffix. At least that is how it shows on all my current devices via ES Explorer.

 

[leapinlar]

I appreciate the difference between the storage and that is what I am referring to. Mapping has been that way since ICS. It was changed after HC due to Android team getting rid of apps2sd. App data needs to be mapped to the first concurrent "sd" that is mapped. The internal "sd". My external sd is loaded with MAMEreloaded and PSX roms, so yes, it is filled up with 624mb left and the internal sd (called same thing on all ICS and JB devices) has 5.5gb free.

That was my point about the operational floor, since the HD+ appears to not like going below 3gb. BTW' though I missed the the terminology on permissions and unknown sources, it does not mean I am a tech illiterate

In summary, I appreciate that the external card is mapped with an ext suffix. At least that is how it shows on all my current devices via ES Explorer.

Well, since your external SD is loaded with non HD+ stuff, why not get another SD, do the swap zip, and have plenty of room internally so it does not turn to mud.

Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.

 

[rushless]

Having issues with my connection, so my edit was parsed. Now complete in the reply above.

All I was asking is if the floor for internal storage was 3gb, since that is when I ran into mud. I have plenty of cards, but apps can not be installed to the external card. I have a lot of Gameloft and EA games, so run out of space quickly. Since the Nook seems to have read issues with large data files, I will remove the large data file games. Problem solved! I have them all on my 128g iPad 4 anyway. Just mainly wanted to test them out on the Nook to see if it could handle them. I guess the answer is "kind of", due to the apparent read issues it seems to have with those games. Compared to my Excite 7.7 and TF300, all large games load slower, but seem to play fine when finally loaded and until new data needs to be read into ram. The iPad makes them all seem slow in comparison.

 

[leapinlar]

Having issues with my connection, so my edit was parsed. Now complete in the reply above.

All I was asking is if the floor for internal storage was 3gb, since that is when I ran into mud. I have plenty of cards, but apps can not be installed to the external card. I have a lot of Gameloft and EA games, so run out of space quickly. Since the Nook seems to have read issues with large data files, I will remove the large data file games. Problem solved! I have them all on my 128g iPad 4 anyway. Just mainly wanted to test them out on the Nook to see if it could handle them. I guess the answer is "kind of", due to the apparent read issues it seems to have with those games. Compared to my Excite 7.7 and TF300, all large games load slower, but seem to play fine when finally loaded and until new data needs to be read into ram. The iPad makes them all seem slow in comparison.

One final note. If you do the swap, those large data files for the gameloft games, etc, get installed to external SD. They are designed so those extra files run from SD even if the app itself must be on /data.

Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.

 

[rushless]

Not to question per say, but I do not think data goes to the external card. All is installed to the internal storage with no option to do otherwise for any of the games I have tested. I had a 16gb that was empty when I first got the tablet and installed Nova and MW3. The external card was empty until I put game roms on it. It eventually became my image disk for flashing unkown sources.

What am I missing? Thanks.

 

[leapinlar]

Not to question per say, but I do not think data goes to the external card. All is installed to the internal storage with no option to do otherwise for any of the games I have tested. I had a 16gb that was empty when I first got the tablet and installed Nova and MW3. The external card was empty until I put game roms on it. It eventually became my image disk for flashing unkown sources.

What am I missing? Thanks.

You are missing the fact that you did not flash my swap zip and reboot so that the external SD becomes sdcard and the gameloft will install the data files there.

Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.

 

[rushless]

Cool! I might check that out, but then I will probably be confined to that one card since both treated as one- correct?

I might not need it, since every large data game I have tried loads up a lot slower (in some cases like Asphalt 7 and Need for Speed Most Wanted, WAY too slow). I will stick with smaller games, emulators, web and media and leave the big dogs to my other tabs.

For $200 with a great display on an Android device, I will put up with the odd behavior with large data games by not installing them anymore

 

[leapinlar]

Cool! I might check that out, but then I will probably be confined to that one card since both treated as one- correct?

Yes, anytime you would want to run that large game that had the data files on that one SD would have to be run with that SD inserted.

But most folks that do this swap have one very large SD (32 or 64GB) and always leave it inserted and all of their app's data is stored there. Books, game data, music, etc. Then they never fill up internal memory with media files that potentially could choke /data.

Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.