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73sydney

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Queries
1. Disabled trackers and network access (wifi/mobile)... does it cause any issues?
2. Use island for work space and noisy apps which keep eating away at battery...
HMA can't seem to find them in App list...
Do I need to clone HMA into workspace and the similar hiding steps again?

1. I dont see how this relates to HMA and i hate to be all "please stay on topic" - HMA doesnt interact down to the level of trackers or network access it works on apps and apps alone.

2. i dont use island or any similar app sorry and couldnt even hazard a guess at of what youre looking to do is even possible as that seems overly complex and youre perhaps trying to do too much in the pursuit of saving battery, when its quite common for people seeking to stop battery drain with almost obsessive focus, to actually end up using more battery in the pursuit. my own personal preference is to change doze parameters and also doze google play services, and break as least amount of stuff as possible.
 

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1. I dont see how this relates to HMA and i hate to be all "please stay on topic" - HMA doesnt interact down to the level of trackers or network access it works on apps and apps alone.

2. i dont use island or any similar app sorry and couldnt even hazard a guess at of what youre looking to do is even possible as that seems overly complex and youre perhaps trying to do too much in the pursuit of saving battery, when its quite common for people seeking to stop battery drain with almost obsessive focus, to actually end up using more battery in the pursuit. my own personal preference is to change doze parameters and also doze google play services, and break as least amount of stuff as possible.

Guess caught you getting off on the wrong side of bed.
No intention to stray OT.

1.
HMA has trackers embedded, was querying about them not system wide blocking using it.
Disabling trackers of HMA and network does not seem to affect HMA.

2.
Fuggedabout battery drain mentioned.

Was talking about chatter from apps in background when not in use.

Work apps do not work on root detection.
Lsposed sees parallel space.

Cloning / installing HMA is not working.
App crashes on open.
 

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73sydney

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Guess caught you getting off on the wrong side of bed.
No intention to stray OT.

1.
HMA has trackers embedded, was querying about them not system wide blocking using it.
Disabling trackers of HMA and network does not seem to affect HMA.

2.
Fuggedabout battery drain mentioned.

Was talking about chatter from apps in background when not in use.

Work apps do not work on root detection.
Lsposed sees parallel space.

Cloning / installing HMA is not working.
App crashes on open.

No there was no wrong side of the bed? please dont insinuate "issues" where there are none, please and thank you. i dont really want to start inviting mods in here to do clean ups - because part of me will die if i have to, i like to have open discussions, but creating drama will not be tolerated, okay? are we good? :)

i reply to posts with the information given....

i was just replying and pointing out HMA doesnt do what i thought you were enquiring about - trying to block trackers and network WITH HMA - i can only reply based on the words you use, in future please use far more words and please explain in greater detail, to avoid miscommunication, thanks

now that i know you were talking about disabling HMA's trackers and network permissions, thats really a personal choice - i personally dont get that granular or obsessive about every package on my device, plus the author gets a small teeny amount of $ for his work via the ads in it...and while i hate ads, i support developers - as i (largely) work for nothing too - case in point you’d be surprised how many hours went into the guide above

that entire part 1 is a personal choice case, is a general one about packages and not on topic - and this is me saying its not on topic

theres entire threads on here devoted to debloating, battery saving and disabling things to the point of tinfoil hat-ism that are better fits for that kind of discussion

part 2 is also veering off into personal choice and possibly overly focused topics that really dont have anything to do with HMA, sorry

the topic is open for any question that relates to HMA or even just a bit of banter/madness, but i dont want it to become a haven for (very focused and personal use) topics that are best handled elsewhere in existing threads, thanks

im afraid i cant even give you a theory on island and HMA as the only single time i ever used island was testing its ability to stop a banking app from seeing root, thats the sum of my knowledge and experience with it. i had it installed once for 30 seconds about 8 months ago
 
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No there was no wrong side of the bed? please dont insinuate "issues" where there are none, please and thank you. i dont really want to start inviting mods in here to do clean ups - because part of me will die if i have to, i like to have open discussions, but creating drama will not be tolerated, okay? are we good? :)

i reply to posts with the information given....

i was just replying and pointing out HMA doesnt do what i thought you were enquiring about - trying to block trackers and network WITH HMA - i can only reply based on the words you use, in future please use far more words and please explain in greater detail, to avoid miscommunication, thanks

now that i know you were talking about disabling HMA's trackers and network permissions, thats really a personal choice - i personally dont get that granular or obsessive about every package on my device, plus the author gets a small teeny amount of $ for his work via the ads in it...and while i hate ads, i support developers - as i (largely) work for nothing too - case in point you’d be surprised how many hours went into the guide above

that entire part 1 is a personal choice case, is a general one about packages and not on topic - and this is me saying its not on topic

theres entire threads on here devoted to debloating, battery saving and disabling things to the point of tinfoil hat-ism that are better fits for that kind of discussion

part 2 is also veering off into personal choice and possibly overly focused topics that really dont have anything to do with HMA, sorry

the topic is open for any question that relates to HMA or even just a bit of banter/madness, but i dont want it to become a haven for (very focused and personal use) topics that are best handled elsewhere in existing threads, thanks

im afraid i cant even give you a theory on island and HMA as the only single time i ever used island was testing its ability to stop a banking app from seeing root, thats the sum of my knowledge and experience with it. i had it installed once for 30 seconds about 8 months ago
So in short

HMA and embedded trackers discussion is OT
HMA and work profile is OT

Thanks for the guide.

So long ...thanks for the fish
 
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pndwal

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No intention to stray OT.

1.
HMA has trackers embedded, was querying about them not system wide blocking using it.
Disabling trackers of HMA and network does not seem to affect HMA.

2.
Fuggedabout battery drain mentioned.

Was talking about chatter from apps in background when not in use.

Work apps do not work on root detection.
Lsposed sees parallel space.

Cloning / installing HMA is not working.
App crashes on open.
Seems an interesting exercise; you may be the first to try HMA in 'parallel space '...

I'm interested in how LSPosed sees parallel space of workspace / noisy apps in Island... Does LSP have a means to configure this?... thru some module?...

It may be useful for others using 'workspace' / 'Enterprise mode' etc to find a working configuration for HMA to work with those apps...

If not, thanks for all the red herrings... 🙃 PW

Time for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster...

The Guide even tells you how you can mix one yourself. Take the juice from one bottle of that Ol' Janx Spirit, it says. Pour into it one measure of water from the seas of Santraginus V - Oh that Santraginean sea water, it says. Oh those Santraginean fish!!! Allow three cubes of Arcturan Mega-gin to melt into the mixture (it must be properly iced or the benzine is lost). Allow four litres of Fallian marsh gas to bubble through it, in memory of all those happy Hikers who have died of pleasure in the Marshes of Fallia...

"You know," said Arthur with a slight cough, "if this is Southend, there's something very odd about it ..." "You mean the way the sea stays steady and the buildings keep washing up and down?" said Ford. "Yes I thought that was odd too. In fact," he continued as with a huge bang Southend split itself into six equal segments which danced and span giddily round each other in lewd and licentious formation, "there is something altogether very strange going on." Wild yowling noises of pipes and strings seared through the wind, hot doughnuts popped out of the road for ten pence each, horrid fish stormed out of the sky and Arthur and Ford decided to make a run for it. They plunged through heavy walls of sound, mountains of archaic thought, valleys of mood music, bad shoe sessions and footling bats and suddenly heard a girl's voice. It sounded quite a sensible voice, but it just said, "Two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against and falling," and that was all.

Ford skidded down a beam of light and span round trying to find a source for the voice but could see nothing he could seriously believe in. "What was that voice?" shouted Arthur. "I don't know," yelled Ford, "I don't know. It sounded like a measurement of probability." "Probability? What do you mean?" "Probability. You know, like two to one, three to one, five to four against. It said two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against. That's pretty improbable you know." A million-gallon vat of custard upended itself over them without warning. "But what does it mean?" cried Arthur. "What, the custard?" "No, the measurement of probability!"...

"Well I was just saying," said Arthur lounging by a small fish pool, "there's this Improbability Drive switch over here ..." he waved at where it had been. There was a potted plant there now. "But where are we?" said Ford who was sitting on the spiral staircase, a nicely chilled Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster in his hand. "Exactly where we were, I think ..." said Trillian, as all about them the mirrors showed them an image of the blighted landscape of Magrathea which still scooted along beneath them. Zaphod leapt out of his seat. "Then what's happened to the missiles?" he said.

A new and astounding image appeared in the mirrors. "They would appear," said Ford doubtfully, "to have turned into a bowl of petunias and a very surprised looking whale ..." "At an Improbability Factor," cut in Eddie, who hadn't changed a bit, "of eight million seven hundred and sixty-seven thousand one hundred and twenty-eight to one against." Zaphod stared at Arthur. "Did you think of that, Earthman?" he demanded. "Well," said Arthur, "all I did was ..." "That's very good thinking you know. Turn on the Improbability Drive for a second without first activating the proofing screens. Hey kid you just saved our lives, you know that?" "Oh," said Arthur, "well, it was nothing really ..." "Was it?" said Zaphod. "Oh well, forget it then.
 
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“We are now cruising at a level of two to the power of twenty-five thousand to one against and falling, and we will be restoring normality just as soon as we are sure what is normal anyway.”
"Thank you. Two to the power of twenty thousand to one against and falling."...
The voice cut out.

Ford and Arthur were in a small luminous pink cubicle.

Ford was wildly excited.

"Arthur!" he said, "this is fantastic! We've been picked up by a ship powered by the Infinite Improbability Drive! This is incredible! I heard rumors about it before! They were all officially denied, but they must have done it! They've built the Improbability Drive! Arthur, this is... Arthur? What's happening?"

Arthur had jammed himself against the door to the cubicle, trying to hold it closed, but it was ill fitting. Tiny furry little hands were squeezing themselves through the cracks, their fingers were inkstained; tiny voices chattered insanely.

Arthur looked up.

"Ford!" he said, "there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out."
Don't get me started... On normality I mean... May be quite a subjective thing...

And the prospect of restoring it cannot be left to a probability drive alone... Not since Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's GPP capable personality drives have been a thing anyway... 😜 PW

"Er, excuse me," said Ford following after him, "which government owns this ship?"

Marvin ignored him.

"You watch this door," he muttered, "it's about to open again. I can tell by the intolerable air of smugness it suddenly generates." With an ingratiating little whine the door slit open again and Marvin stomped through.

"Come on," he said.

The others followed quickly and the door slit back into place with pleased little clicks and whirrs.

"Thank you the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation," said Marvin and trudged desolately up the gleaming curved corridor that stretched out before them. "Let's build robots with Genuine People Personalities," they said. So they tried it out with me. I'm a personality prototype. You can tell can't you?"

Ford and Arthur muttered embarrassed little disclaimers.

"I hate that door," continued Marvin. "I'm not getting you down at all am I?"

"Which government..." started Ford again.

"No government owns it," snapped the robot, "it's been stolen."
 
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"Thank you. Two to the power of twenty thousand to one against and falling."...
The voice cut out.

Ford and Arthur were in a small luminous pink cubicle.

Ford was wildly excited.

"Arthur!" he said, "this is fantastic! We've been picked up by a ship powered by the Infinite Improbability Drive! This is incredible! I heard rumors about it before! They were all officially denied, but they must have done it! They've built the Improbability Drive! Arthur, this is... Arthur? What's happening?"

Arthur had jammed himself against the door to the cubicle, trying to hold it closed, but it was ill fitting. Tiny furry little hands were squeezing themselves through the cracks, their fingers were inkstained; tiny voices chattered insanely.

Arthur looked up.

"Ford!" he said, "there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out."
Don't get me started... On normality I mean... May be quite a subjective thing...

And the prospect of restoring it cannot be left to a probability drive alone... Not since Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's GPP capable personality drives have been a thing anyway... 😜 PW

"Er, excuse me," said Ford following after him, "which government owns this ship?"

Marvin ignored him.

"You watch this door," he muttered, "it's about to open again. I can tell by the intolerable air of smugness it suddenly generates." With an ingratiating little whine the door slit open again and Marvin stomped through.

"Come on," he said.

The others followed quickly and the door slit back into place with pleased little clicks and whirrs.

"Thank you the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation," said Marvin and trudged desolately up the gleaming curved corridor that stretched out before them. "Let's build robots with Genuine People Personalities," they said. So they tried it out with me. I'm a personality prototype. You can tell can't you?"

Ford and Arthur muttered embarrassed little disclaimers.

"I hate that door," continued Marvin. "I'm not getting you down at all am I?"

"Which government..." started Ford again.

"No government owns it," snapped the robot, "it's been stolen."
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Seems an interesting exercise; you may be the first to try HMA in 'parallel space '...

I'm interested in how LSPosed sees parallel space of workspace / noisy apps in Island... Does LSP have a means to configure this?... thru some module?...

It may be useful for others using 'workspace' / 'Enterprise mode' etc to find a working configuration for HMA to work with those apps...

If not, thanks for all the red herrings... 🙃 PW

Time for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster...

The Guide even tells you how you can mix one yourself. Take the juice from one bottle of that Ol' Janx Spirit, it says. Pour into it one measure of water from the seas of Santraginus V - Oh that Santraginean sea water, it says. Oh those Santraginean fish!!! Allow three cubes of Arcturan Mega-gin to melt into the mixture (it must be properly iced or the benzine is lost). Allow four litres of Fallian marsh gas to bubble through it, in memory of all those happy Hikers who have died of pleasure in the Marshes of Fallia...

"You know," said Arthur with a slight cough, "if this is Southend, there's something very odd about it ..." "You mean the way the sea stays steady and the buildings keep washing up and down?" said Ford. "Yes I thought that was odd too. In fact," he continued as with a huge bang Southend split itself into six equal segments which danced and span giddily round each other in lewd and licentious formation, "there is something altogether very strange going on." Wild yowling noises of pipes and strings seared through the wind, hot doughnuts popped out of the road for ten pence each, horrid fish stormed out of the sky and Arthur and Ford decided to make a run for it. They plunged through heavy walls of sound, mountains of archaic thought, valleys of mood music, bad shoe sessions and footling bats and suddenly heard a girl's voice. It sounded quite a sensible voice, but it just said, "Two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against and falling," and that was all.

Ford skidded down a beam of light and span round trying to find a source for the voice but could see nothing he could seriously believe in. "What was that voice?" shouted Arthur. "I don't know," yelled Ford, "I don't know. It sounded like a measurement of probability." "Probability? What do you mean?" "Probability. You know, like two to one, three to one, five to four against. It said two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against. That's pretty improbable you know." A million-gallon vat of custard upended itself over them without warning. "But what does it mean?" cried Arthur. "What, the custard?" "No, the measurement of probability!"...

"Well I was just saying," said Arthur lounging by a small fish pool, "there's this Improbability Drive switch over here ..." he waved at where it had been. There was a potted plant there now. "But where are we?" said Ford who was sitting on the spiral staircase, a nicely chilled Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster in his hand. "Exactly where we were, I think ..." said Trillian, as all about them the mirrors showed them an image of the blighted landscape of Magrathea which still scooted along beneath them. Zaphod leapt out of his seat. "Then what's happened to the missiles?" he said.

A new and astounding image appeared in the mirrors. "They would appear," said Ford doubtfully, "to have turned into a bowl of petunias and a very surprised looking whale ..." "At an Improbability Factor," cut in Eddie, who hadn't changed a bit, "of eight million seven hundred and sixty-seven thousand one hundred and twenty-eight to one against." Zaphod stared at Arthur. "Did you think of that, Earthman?" he demanded. "Well," said Arthur, "all I did was ..." "That's very good thinking you know. Turn on the Improbability Drive for a second without first activating the proofing screens. Hey kid you just saved our lives, you know that?" "Oh," said Arthur, "well, it was nothing really ..." "Was it?" said Zaphod. "Oh well, forget it then.

Seems an interesting exercise; you may be the first to try HMA in 'parallel space '...

I'm interested in how LSPosed sees parallel space of workspace / noisy apps in Island... Does LSP have a means to configure this?... thru some module?...

It may be useful for others using 'workspace' / 'Enterprise mode' etc to find a working configuration for HMA to work with those apps...

If not, thanks for all the red herrings... 🙃 PW

Time for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster...

The Guide even tells you how you can mix one yourself. Take the juice from one bottle of that Ol' Janx Spirit, it says. Pour into it one measure of water from the seas of Santraginus V - Oh that Santraginean sea water, it says. Oh those Santraginean fish!!! Allow three cubes of Arcturan Mega-gin to melt into the mixture (it must be properly iced or the benzine is lost). Allow four litres of Fallian marsh gas to bubble through it, in memory of all those happy Hikers who have died of pleasure in the Marshes of Fallia...

"You know," said Arthur with a slight cough, "if this is Southend, there's something very odd about it ..." "You mean the way the sea stays steady and the buildings keep washing up and down?" said Ford. "Yes I thought that was odd too. In fact," he continued as with a huge bang Southend split itself into six equal segments which danced and span giddily round each other in lewd and licentious formation, "there is something altogether very strange going on." Wild yowling noises of pipes and strings seared through the wind, hot doughnuts popped out of the road for ten pence each, horrid fish stormed out of the sky and Arthur and Ford decided to make a run for it. They plunged through heavy walls of sound, mountains of archaic thought, valleys of mood music, bad shoe sessions and footling bats and suddenly heard a girl's voice. It sounded quite a sensible voice, but it just said, "Two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against and falling," and that was all.

Ford skidded down a beam of light and span round trying to find a source for the voice but could see nothing he could seriously believe in. "What was that voice?" shouted Arthur. "I don't know," yelled Ford, "I don't know. It sounded like a measurement of probability." "Probability? What do you mean?" "Probability. You know, like two to one, three to one, five to four against. It said two to the power of one hundred thousand to one against. That's pretty improbable you know." A million-gallon vat of custard upended itself over them without warning. "But what does it mean?" cried Arthur. "What, the custard?" "No, the measurement of probability!"...

"Well I was just saying," said Arthur lounging by a small fish pool, "there's this Improbability Drive switch over here ..." he waved at where it had been. There was a potted plant there now. "But where are we?" said Ford who was sitting on the spiral staircase, a nicely chilled Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster in his hand. "Exactly where we were, I think ..." said Trillian, as all about them the mirrors showed them an image of the blighted landscape of Magrathea which still scooted along beneath them. Zaphod leapt out of his seat. "Then what's happened to the missiles?" he said.

A new and astounding image appeared in the mirrors. "They would appear," said Ford doubtfully, "to have turned into a bowl of petunias and a very surprised looking whale ..." "At an Improbability Factor," cut in Eddie, who hadn't changed a bit, "of eight million seven hundred and sixty-seven thousand one hundred and twenty-eight to one against." Zaphod stared at Arthur. "Did you think of that, Earthman?" he demanded. "Well," said Arthur, "all I did was ..." "That's very good thinking you know. Turn on the Improbability Drive for a second without first activating the proofing screens. Hey kid you just saved our lives, you know that?" "Oh," said Arthur, "well, it was nothing really ..." "Was it?" said Zaphod. "Oh well, forget it then.
No longer on this thread...
Came to pickup my towel
 

pndwal

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No longer on this thread...
Came to pickup my towel
Still, let us know any solutions you find!...
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has a few things to say on the subject of towels.

A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitch hiker can have. Partly it has great practical value you can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or to avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you daft as a bush, but very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.

More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
... and can I lend you anything?... 😃 PW

It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much the wheel, New York, wars and so on whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons.

Curiously enough, the dolphins had long known of the impending destruction of the planet Earth and had made many attempts to alert mankind of the danger; but most of their communications were misinterpreted as amusing attempts to punch footballs or whistle for tidbits, so they eventually gave up and left the Earth by their own means shortly before the Vogons arrived.

The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the "Star Sprangled Banner", but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish.

In fact there was only one species on the planet more intelligent than dolphins, and they spent a lot of their time in behavioural research laboratories running round inside wheels and conducting frighteningly elegant and subtle experiments on man. The fact that once again man completely misinterpreted this relationship was entirely according to these creatures' plans.
 
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73sydney

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So in short

HMA and embedded trackers discussion is OT
HMA and work profile is OT

Thanks for the guide.

So long ...thanks for the fish

The reasoning behind your enquiries changed from your initial post of "its about battery" to then "background chatter" between apps, neither of which is HMA's purpose or domain

I merely pointed out there were existing threads that were better suited and would probably garnered more interest/testing and possible prompter resolution

Either feel free to stay and even enjoy some banter, almost anything is a go, but not things where its a (very) personal use case of something that can be handled way better in established thread, this should be self evident?

Dont make me post more 90's clips, this will get ugly real quick...
 

pndwal

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The reasoning behind your enquiries changed from your initial post of "its about battery" to then "background chatter" between apps, neither of which is HMA's purpose or domain
Did that change?... Seems member was just explaining sandboxed some noisy-background apps (that otherwise wake device / cause battery drain) w/ Island...

Also said 'forget about' battery drain; work apps sandboxed w/ Island are the real issue & cloned HMA for Island parallel space doesn't work if I'm understanding this correctly...
Either feel free to stay and even enjoy some banter, almost anything is a go, but not things where its a (very) personal use case of something that can be handled way better in established thread, this should be self evident?
I imagine others might well wish to hide applist etc from apps in combination with workspace / Island etc...
Dont make me post more 90's clips, this will get ugly real quick...
Better than 70's! 😝 PW
 
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Did that change?... Seems member was just explaining sandboxed some noisy-background apps (that otherwise wake device / cause battery drain) w/ Island...

Also said 'forget about' battery drain; work apps sandboxed w/ Island are the real issue & cloned HMA for Island parallel space doesn't work if I'm understanding this correctly...

I imagine others might well wish to hide applist etc from apps in combination with workspace / Island etc...

Better than 70's! 😝 PW

@All ....

Ive explained it 3 times now

There probably, knowing me, wont be a fourth, and though part of me will die, i will call a mod in here if i hear another word about this stuff....

HMA as far as i know doesnt assist in either:

a) managing battery
b) managing background processes services to do with ad receivers/trackers

i linked the poster to the Island thread which, and for the 3rd or 4th time, is where its more likely he will get a response and in a more timely way than here, where people expect to find a guide, and a bit of faffing about...

also by now, i think most people know my stance on conspiracy level block everything nonsense

Im super NOT interested in having that nonsense here

Now i get why mods clean up threads.... because **** like this detracts from what the aim was....and its also stopped being fun a FULL DAY AGO, which was the other aim of the thread

the beauty of the forum is not only can you find existing places to talk about these topics, and ive already linked to them, but you can create one if you really want to

one more word and ill just pull the OP down and call in the mods

are we REALLY clear now?
 
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pndwal

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FWIW I was able to join TG HMA discussion group today; had to study chiral carbon atoms to get past invite chemi captcha ("to limit group join; the disgusting moron game cheaters can make you nausea a whole day")...

I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...

@asripath:​

I did see this in TG Channel linked from HMA GitHub (public unlike discussion group); first pinned message:
不要双开 HMA,因为这会导致配置被覆盖
DO NOT dual HMA, because it overrides configs
- may be relevant. PW
 
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There is a reason I always welcome new users to the "xda family".
I consider you all as brothers and sisters. 🙂
Some might be more an oddball cousin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Better than 70's! 😝 PW
Nothing wrong with the 70's. 🙃
Sister Sledge - [YouTube] - We Are Family

<SNIP>
I'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasnt for you meddling kids...
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Cheers all. :cowboy:
 

shoey63

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, . . .

I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan / Xingchen?) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...

. . . .
I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉
 
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I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to more than just a passing interest 😉
Even though the following two topics are OT here and might result in a call being made to the Moderation Police, I'm glad that 70's pop music, the Hitchhiker's Guide, and comments about meeting girls are still considered to be on topic for this "Hide My Applist" thread.

The two OT items ...

a) managing battery
b) managing background processes services to do with ad receivers/trackers
 
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pndwal

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. . .
I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...
I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉
Actually I looked for RikaW (rikkawww, RikkaNya) in HMA discussion too but didn't find her there...

I'm really just interested in Magisk (and associated) development and wanted to tabulate names and handles of main Magisk devs in one place (for my memory)... (Nb. Canyie, canyie2977, is the exception... An exceptional 18 yo contributer among (currently) 252 others but not a main dev.)

It'd be fun to be in Magisk's internal Slack group wouldn't it?... John Wu invited @Chainfire (Jorrit Jongma) into Magisk Slack 3½ yrs ago after he sold SuperSU to CCMT only to discard it... (At least Jorrit got some well deserved recompense for years of free contribution to the root / dev community!)

Some Open-source Root History:

Magisk early days was mostly a one man (school boy really) job w/ @topjohnwu (John Wu) pioneering and releasing Systemless Xposed in 2016, then by August the same year releasing Magisk to the public... [Magisk was a one-man effort...]
IMG_20221126_175352.jpg


Later in April 2019 John got help from a professional app designer, an in early 2020 made @diareuse (Viktor De Pasquale) "officially the main maintainer of Magisk Manager"! [Magisk becomes a two man team effort]...
IMG_20221126_174458.jpg


With @yujincheng08 ('LoveSy', Shana), the name behind the current systemless XPosed Magisk solution LSPosed, and her associated LSP dev @vvb2060 + @RikkaW of Riru XHook framework for Magisk fame making countless contributions to Magisk itself (MTK and other device compatibility fixes, enhancements, Zygisk inspiration and methods etc, etc) and @diareuse no longer contributing to the project, Magisk has recently become a one man and 3 women team effort! ...
IMG_20221126_174605.jpg


It's a shame we've lost a good man for now and see little change to the @diareuse crafted UI, but we're all affected by real life...

I bet you would love to meet these girls someday...
I'd be happy to meet any of the Magisk team... I have had some interaction in GitHub Magisk issues however; even been able to contribute in minor ways (eg proposal for the current JSON-based update system for Magisk modules that we eventually got after official module repo w/ updates was sunsetted).

It's good to appreciate / understand which Magisk Devs are currently contributing to other projects like LSPosed, HMA, Shamiko etc also... 🙂 PW
 
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73sydney

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I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉

@Stillhard is the biggest worry when it comes to these ladies, he seems to like it when they get spicy and close his PR's on github with or without a very brief smackdown

Hint: he likes the smackdown, seems to appreciate the brevity as a bonus

But you know...whatever floats your boat, or tickles your pickle

Even though the following two topics are OT here and might result in a call being made to the Moderation Police, I'm glad that 70's pop music, the Hitchhiker's Guide, and comments about meeting girls are still considered to be on topic for this "Hide My Applist" thread.

The two OT items ...

a) managing battery
b) managing background processes services to do with ad receivers/trackers

We embrace the nonsense here, just have your nonsense calibrated correctly upon entry

And dont question my crazy, i dont question your seemingly blind devotion to sanity :p

Theres so much unnecessary nonsense/voodoo/tinfoil hat-ism surrounding "saving battery" and "beating the man" by disabling <insert process here> that i got tired of it around the point of Android 7. People who have seen me about for long enough know that i have a special headshake and facepalm combo for the likes of Divest ROM for kooky prepper level nonsense. Whenever i see a thread drifting off into this digital militia mindset, imma call it out for the nonsense it is. It has exactly 0% tolerance in any thread i start.

Anything else is open...you may commence the flood of cats pics...
 
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    What happens if you:

    - Configure a black list and apply it to the apps that work better with a black list.
    - Use white list on the apps that work better with a white list.

    Cheers. :cowboy:
    You can certainly do that.
    It's just in my experience HMA is mainly used to hide "offensive" apps (those usually used to modify the device) from other apps that don't want them there.

    Usually this is banking apps, but could be games or others.

    In every case I've come across these "complaining" apps don't have the need to see *anything* else, and therefore you can simply configure the Whitelist option which effectively blocks them from seeing anything else.

    For me, this seems to work better and had the side effect of being more secure as it "fails closed" instead of "fails open."

    For instance, using the instructions in this guide, if you install another "offensive" app, you would need to make sure to update your template to exclude this new app.
    The way I configure you wouldn't need to do this. It seems much less likely that an app would actually need to know of the existence of another and if there happened to be a use case for that you can simply add that individually to the particular apps' whitelist.

    The other option is privacy. For instance, maybe an app like Facebook can access data from another app (even though modern Android os should limit this). In this case you would want to restrict Facebook from seeing all other apps. Once again, I feel the Whitelist option is the better choice.

    I'm certainly open to being proven wrong by other use cases...I just don't see them.
    3
    Hey. So this seem like a nice guide for those who have no idea how to set this up.

    I just came across it because I started getting Root notifications on my Citibank app (actually I don't know if I was getting them before or not, I only use it once every couple of months and despite the notifications, my needed functionality does not seem to be impacted).

    In any event, I thought updating HMA/Zygisk, etc might help with hiding from Citi, and when that didn't I found this guide in hopes that maybe there was a setting I was overlooking.

    I'm a bit confused by this guide's complexity. Not that it is hard to follow, but the recommendations for the template and the blacklisting of all the magisk, xposed, etc apps.

    The reason I say this is that instead of running HMA with apps in "Blacklist" mode and applying a template of blacklisted applications, I have always run HMA apps using the "Whitelist" option. This effectively means that ALL apps are hidden from the application unless you specify them (either individually or with a whitelist template).

    I have a specific app: STC Pay, which I don't actually use myself but know that it is a very problematic app for some and I use it as a "test" app. This app won't run (constantly crashes within 5 seconds of use) when setting up HMA according to this guide. If instead you configure the app in "Whitelist" mode as I've described it appears to work fine.

    That being said, getting all OK checkboxes in Applist Detector doesn't seem to necessarily be a good indicator. For instance, when using this guide I get 100% all checkboxes in Applist Detector, but STC Pay (configured the same way) fails to run. If I set it up my way, AppList still shows a "suspicious" on "PM Intent Queries" (unless you also choose the option in HMA to hide system apps...which also seems to work fine).

    IOW, passing the checks on AppList Detector (or similar) does not seem to be the best indicator that things are working as you want, since I can pass all them with this guide but my apps fail to run (because they seemingly detect root and/or other harmful apps).

    So, I'm curious, both from @73sydney and other users why the choice to use the settings in this guide rather than simply choose use Whitelist mode which, at least in my experience, works on a wider range of apps AND seems less complex to setup.

    FWIW, in no configuration can I get Citibank to not detect root, but luckily for now at least it seems mostly an information message as I can continue to use the app (although it does seem if I setup Biometrics that logins will fail, even if using password attempt).

    UPDATE: My Citibank was being detected because it somehow (probably on update) got (partially) removed from the Magisk Deny List.

    If I could suggest one update to the @73sydney his guide should be a bit clearer in regards to the DenyList. It makes a brief mention of Shamiko with the Deny List. While it is true that "Enforce Deny List" needs to be toggled "OFF", this does not mean that the DenyList is not in use. You STILL NEED to add the apps that you want to hide from Magisk/root to this list it is just that Magisk is no longer capable of enforcing it, instead Shamiko does that. I suspect that at least some people following this guide are not able to properly hide root because the guide is not clear in ensuring that not only are apps configured in HMA, but also still listed on Magisk's DenyList.
    3
    I have always run HMA apps using the "Whitelist" option. This effectively means that ALL apps are hidden from the application unless you specify them (either individually or with a whitelist template).
    I second this: I do it with the same method when I see problematic apps && ROMs in my hands and whitelist "method" always works "better" for some reason.
    2
    I use a modified version of YouTube and YouTube Music that I do not want PlayStore to update.
    So I include both in a black list and apply it to PlayStore.

    A better option is probably to use the Lsposed module UpdateLocker. It will prevent updates to specific apps from Play and is designed specifically for that.

    If you use the white list option for 'STC Pay' and the black list option for 'Applist Detector' do you get the best of both options or is there a conflict?
    Does STC give error when you have it using the white list option and Detector using the black list option?​
    Does Detector give error when you have it using the black list option and STC using the white list option?​

    You can use the white and black lists independently for each app, there is no conflict.
    While I can't think of a scenario, if you have two apps that need to talk to each other they would both need to be allowed on each's respective lists if you are using HMA for both
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    Cool. FYI everything will probably work even without system apps being excluded...at least they do with everything I need.

    Theoretically I think excluding system apps may likely help in some situations but may not be compatible with some apps which need to access certain system functions.

    That being said, I probably wouldn't even use that option unless needed for a certain app. That also means one less tap per app to set it up.

    Either/or though probably doesn't matter much.
    Apps that call Play Integrity (or the old SafetyNet) need to have Exclude enabled

    Or, I would have to use Whitelist template with GMS

    Otherwise they cannot access Google Play Services (GMS) to call the API

    Eg, TB-Checker and SCheck
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    Hide My Applist Guide

    As i'm no longer active on XDA, to make the guide more easily maintainable (multiple editor access etc) going forward, i have moved it offsite to github at the following address


    Please report any issues you may find with the guide on the guides github Issue page.

    No new replies by me about the guide will made here, sorry folks.
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    . . .
    I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...
    I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉
    Actually I looked for RikaW (rikkawww, RikkaNya) in HMA discussion too but didn't find her there...

    I'm really just interested in Magisk (and associated) development and wanted to tabulate names and handles of main Magisk devs in one place (for my memory)... (Nb. Canyie, canyie2977, is the exception... An exceptional 18 yo contributer among (currently) 252 others but not a main dev.)

    It'd be fun to be in Magisk's internal Slack group wouldn't it?... John Wu invited @Chainfire (Jorrit Jongma) into Magisk Slack 3½ yrs ago after he sold SuperSU to CCMT only to discard it... (At least Jorrit got some well deserved recompense for years of free contribution to the root / dev community!)

    Some Open-source Root History:

    Magisk early days was mostly a one man (school boy really) job w/ @topjohnwu (John Wu) pioneering and releasing Systemless Xposed in 2016, then by August the same year releasing Magisk to the public... [Magisk was a one-man effort...]
    IMG_20221126_175352.jpg


    Later in April 2019 John got help from a professional app designer, an in early 2020 made @diareuse (Viktor De Pasquale) "officially the main maintainer of Magisk Manager"! [Magisk becomes a two man team effort]...
    IMG_20221126_174458.jpg


    With @yujincheng08 ('LoveSy', Shana), the name behind the current systemless XPosed Magisk solution LSPosed, and her associated LSP dev @vvb2060 + @RikkaW of Riru XHook framework for Magisk fame making countless contributions to Magisk itself (MTK and other device compatibility fixes, enhancements, Zygisk inspiration and methods etc, etc) and @diareuse no longer contributing to the project, Magisk has recently become a one man and 3 women team effort! ...
    IMG_20221126_174605.jpg


    It's a shame we've lost a good man for now and see little change to the @diareuse crafted UI, but we're all affected by real life...

    I bet you would love to meet these girls someday...
    I'd be happy to meet any of the Magisk team... I have had some interaction in GitHub Magisk issues however; even been able to contribute in minor ways (eg proposal for the current JSON-based update system for Magisk modules that we eventually got after official module repo w/ updates was sunsetted).

    It's good to appreciate / understand which Magisk Devs are currently contributing to other projects like LSPosed, HMA, Shamiko etc also... 🙂 PW
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    , . . .

    I see that apart from Dr-TSNG (nu11ptr), (Nangong Xueshan / Xingchen?) vvb2060, Shana Saimoe (LoveSy / lovesykun / yujincheng08) and Canyie are also assisting w/ HMA 3.x project... Some 249 members...

    . . . .
    I bet you would love to meet these girls someday. You seem to have more than just a passing interest 😉
    7
    Could you share what apps you hide, personally?

    I got everything working, then Shamiko updated and now nothing works again, even after downgrading, it's weird.
    Do you mean which do i put on the root template? or which apps i choose to apply the template to?...

    for the root template thats suggested in the guide

    for those apps i apply the template to, thats also hinted at in the guide

    beyond that im not overly fond of people suggesting personal lists as there can be other factors, like the ROM they are on, other magisk modules etc, that make effect the outcome and make what i list not work for them. Even something as benign and completely unrelated to HMA as a font module can give up detection on a ROM. I could give you a list and tell you it 100% it works for me and it could fail for you, due to a completely unrelated issue, and then we're suddenly in a long thread conversation where i start to loathe you personally, and thoughts turn to stabbage....

    Thats why i have left it limited above to the usual common suspects
    • Google Pay/Wallet
    • Banking apps
    • Any "detection" apps (see list in Testing HMA section below for common detection apps)
    And just to highlight what works for me not work for some, i dont even personally have Google Pay/Wallet in my Magisk Deny List, let alone have the root template applied to it under HMA

    Even with the Samsung Apps i have listed, to (try and) work around getting Samsung Health to work (in conjunction with a magisk module) i have several Samsung apps with the root template applied to them, but have never published them because:

    a) im not certain which are actually needed to a granular level to recommend
    b) im too lazy to find out - i dont really have the spare time to disable this and that and reboot 12+ times and see at what point failure occurs (there are people on here who do that and you should take every opportunity to express your gratitude to them for that level of dedication), id like to have the time and will to do that, but im 51 and so my cup of life is slowing ebbing away, and id rather get more critical jobs done, and work on building a Catio.....

    But as a generalisation if one was looking to sidestep issues with say Samsung Wearables/Health it would be safe to assume major core packages like:

    Galaxy Watch Manager
    Galaxy Wearable
    Samsung Accessory Manager
    Samsung Health
    Wearable Manager Installer

    Would be a safe candidate list to at least start with, as they would seem logically to possibly interact

    There will always be a bit of try and it and see needed with these things, otherwise the magisk threads would all be exactly 7 pages long (and contain WAY less chastisement of lazy millennials and gen z-er's than they currently do (and less mod interactions too)) :)

    Its arguably a better troubleshooting paradigm to embrace sharing what if any issue youre having, than applying a blanket set of settings from someone else and hoping it will work, thats just how i see things personally. We wouldnt have gotten very far as a species if everyone alive at the time saw Ugg the Neanderthal jump into a fire and die then thought that jumping into the fire themselves and deciding to troubleshoot the problem backwards, rather than simply thinking "what if i didnt jump into the fire? what if theres another way?", was a valid thought process

    But thats just me, and as noted in the past i have an aspie brain and have been known to view the world differently and approach things differently than others. Some outright call me unhinged...i call myself the next evolution of our species, but then i have a very underdeveloped sense of my own importance....

    Earlier tonight, during an at times quite brutal period of introspective self analysis, i had a bit of an awakening at the thought of just how much as changed in the 51 years ive been alive on this planet, and perhaps outlines a little better for those who have copped the "lazy millennial/gen z-er" talk from me over the years, just why....

    The following overshare may literally save you (general forum citizens) from me wanting to stab you quite enthusiastically with a very blunt fork:

    Anyone born today doesnt have the essential and bedrock understanding that at one point in human history your access to information was limited to sometimes wealth - which gave you access to books. Even when i was a kid, access to a simple map of the globe was limited to the hours the school library was open...if you were lucky you had an encyclopedia set that a door to door salesman came round and flogged (Aussie for sold) to your parents, and that only happened in rich families, not mine.

    You were lucky to have textbooks that covered subjects you were studying, and you treated them like babies, and they were then resold at the end of the school year to the next batch of kiddies. Knowledge was expensive.

    Being a kid who wasnt diagnosed as being officially 100% certified weird (which is how i proudly badge myself now) with aspergers until i was 38, my early life was very isolated, not least due to a very authoritarian father, but also social anxiety. I didnt learn very well in the structured environment of school, in fact i was largely self-taught, including learning to read. Once i had that nailed, i read every book i could get my hands on. Signs were there early on that i didnt have the stomach to suffer people who i felt were incorrect, as in year 5, when a story i submitted for English came back with a red ring around the world autumnal and the comment "not an actual word", and i felt my English teacher needed to be publicly corrected that it was indeed an actual word and the adjectival form of the word autumn, which i admit must have been a bit much being corrected by a 10yo who was largely non-verbal and even at that early stage the proverbial grey man no one noticed.

    My point, after a few admittedly circuitous (and possibly troubling unrelated life) diversions, is that with the sheer access to information that people enjoy now, i am often staggered that people wont do something as simple as read the last 6-12 pages of a thread before posting a question and expecting others to jump to their aid. The change and sheer ease of availability of knowledge that has occurred in my lifetime should elevate people, and yet instead in some cases, it appears to actually do the opposite... are we regressing as a species?. People need to do things like spend less time on twitter and social media having their views decided for them, latching on to emotive and carefully marketed subjects and fed to them, and more time on doing the harder things like reading things that inform and even challenge their views.

    Knowledge has never been more free and accessible, and yet its never been less utilised in a way to benefit society. Greed and self importance has largely taken care of that. Even breakthroughs in science and medicine are quickly assessed for the viability to be patented before their positive impact on society. And i literally loathe anyone who sends off their DNA kit to Ancestry.com because they want a pretty chart they can try and claim ancestry to people or a region they never cared 2 actual ****s about before because its trendy to claim 1/32nd Viking ancestry because you watched that Vikings show. Or finding out you had a relative 1,500 years ago who might have originated in Africa because youre white and want to appear more "woke". People like this are contributing to the sale of what it means to be human, entire genomes being patented. Just stop it...for the love of <insert your own personal magical sky fairy here>

    And on that note, time to wrap up this very brief reply to your simple question. You caught me at a good time... 5AM (when i started replying) Aussie time, after a night of interrupted sleep, crippling self doubt, overanalysis of everything including my personal failings, but largely societies failings...because if it hasnt yet become clear, the rest of you ARE the problem...

    @pndwal would have probably seen this length of post and tangential and rambling excursion coming a mile off :)

    TLDNR version:

    I dont personally recommend handing out lists to folks, its just one step short of kiddies who turn up in the Magisk threads having added every Google app to the Deny List

    (
    inner self: "See, was that so hard was all that nonsense above REALLY necessary
    other inner self: "Yes, yes it was, if you dont tell people they were wrong, how will they KNOW?"
    )

    Also, this is why i dont create a lot of my own threads...
    6
    AppDataIsolation Legacy Support: enabling /data/data isolation for old Android version (Android 10 and lower). Require Magisk Process Monitor tool v1.1+ 🍻🎊


    IMG_20221204_213350_343.jpg

    Android 10 and lower without /data/data isolation, app can still detect other apps through stat "/data/data/com.package.name" even using Hide My AppList.

    IMG_20221204_213351_011.jpg


    After using AppDataIsolation Legacy Support along with Hide My AppList