Hope for unlocked bootloader

[nsmac84]

Not gonna happen

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Well that sucks...

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[krazy_smokezalot]

He said you can't bootloader unlock VIA TRUST ZONE. He didn't say Samsung and LG are not bootloader unlockable. Maybe we need more than just Dan's trust zone exploit hmmmm. Hopefully our devs can put this puzzle together

 

[DrPhant0m]

Not gonna happen

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With the recent statement by Qualcomm on the topic...

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“Qualcomm Technologies takes the security of its products very seriously and invests to identify and address security vulnerabilities in our software before it’s made available to customers. We’re aware of this issue and have already made available software updates for our impacted customers to address the reported vulnerabilities.”

...it would seem that there's an issue of chronology that may need more attention before we take Dan Rosenberg's tweet that Samsung and LG devices have been patched to mean that we won't get a bootloader unlock.

What I mean is this:

The Note 3 was listed specifically among other "affected devices" in the company of LG phones in his original paper. Dan states that only the S5 and the M8 were already patched as of the time that his paper was written. He goes on to say that the list of affected devices will surely shrink as vendors use the information to patch their devices. When his paper got more attention (posted on android blogs like droid-life and androidcentral), and he tweeted that Samsung and LG phones could not be exploited, he was perhaps saying that Samsung and LG have already utilized the information/data that Qualcomm promised to push to their customers (phone vendors) in their latest updates. So... I still have hope that those of us with early-release software on our phones will still potentially benefit from it.

Are there any holes in my logic?

 

[krazy_smokezalot]

With the recent statement by Qualcomm on the topic...

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...it would seem that there's an issue of chronology that may need more attention before we take Dan Rosenberg's tweet that Samsung and LG devices have been patched to mean that we won't get a bootloader unlock.

What I mean is this:

The Note 3 was listed specifically among other "affected devices" in the company of LG phones in his original paper. Dan states that only the S5 and the M8 were already patched as of the time that his paper was written. He goes on to say that the list of affected devices will surely shrink as vendors use the information to patch their devices. When his paper got more attention (posted on android blogs like droid-life and androidcentral), and he tweeted that Samsung and LG phones could not be exploited, he was perhaps saying that Samsung and LG have already utilized the information/data that Qualcomm promised to push to their customers (phone vendors) in their latest updates. So... I still have hope that those of us with early-release software on our phones will still potentially benefit from it.

Are there any holes in my logic?

That's the same way I'm thinking maybe if we are patient we can see what the future will hold for us. But only time will tell

 

[astonmartin214]

I don't understand VZW you get a Note 3 BL locked then you get the Dev Edition Note 3 BL unlocked why is that?

 

[Grompy]

With the recent statement by Qualcomm on the topic...

​

...it would seem that there's an issue of chronology that may need more attention before we take Dan Rosenberg's tweet that Samsung and LG devices have been patched to mean that we won't get a bootloader unlock.

What I mean is this:

The Note 3 was listed specifically among other "affected devices" in the company of LG phones in his original paper. Dan states that only the S5 and the M8 were already patched as of the time that his paper was written. He goes on to say that the list of affected devices will surely shrink as vendors use the information to patch their devices. When his paper got more attention (posted on android blogs like droid-life and androidcentral), and he tweeted that Samsung and LG phones could not be exploited, he was perhaps saying that Samsung and LG have already utilized the information/data that Qualcomm promised to push to their customers (phone vendors) in their latest updates. So... I still have hope that those of us with early-release software on our phones will still potentially benefit from it.

Are there any holes in my logic?

The way I understand it is yes the vulnerability to inject code into the trust zone is in our phones, but our q fuses are different than that of Motorola's. For instance a retail Motorola has an unblown fuse that will say the boot loader shall be unlocked, so it's easy to inject code to blow that fuse and unlock that device. However, a retail Samsung device has an already blown fuse that says the device shall be locked if blown. You cannot inject code to unblow a fuse... I also believe the check for the blown q fuse Is done at either a lower level than trust zone or outside of trust zone altogether so we can't just inject code to always return as if it was unblown. Just my understanding of the matter. I might be a little off, but I'm fairly certain I'm close.

 

[astonmartin214]

YES you can unlock the bootloader it's really simple go to samsung.com & go buy Verzion Note 3 Dev edition it will run $700 then you can ROM all you want

 

[hecksagon]

YES you can unlock the bootloader it's really simple go to samsung.com & go buy Verzion Note 3 Dev edition it will run $700 then you can ROM all you want

Thanks for the useful post.

 

[DrPhant0m]

YES you can unlock the bootloader it's really simple go to samsung.com & go buy Verzion Note 3 Dev edition it will run $700 then you can ROM all you want

You are categorically incorrect. It's actually not very simple at all to get a developer's edition of the Note 3 for Verizon. They only release like 20 at a time, and they're always on back-order. In fact... I think I've heard rumblings that they're not releasing any more. Ever.

***Correction*** As of this moment, I was able to put a Verizon Developer Edition Note 3 in my cart on samsung's retail portal website, and I was not told it was on backorder. Perhaps their inventory is (temporarily or permanently) replenished... or perhaps their methods have changed, and they delay the backorder message until later in the process. Either way... I retract my prior statement that it's not easy to acquire a Note 3 Developer Edition (assuming you have the capital, of course)

 

[astonmartin214]

You are categorically incorrect. It's actually not very simple at all to get a developer's edition of the Note 3 for Verizon. They only release like 20 at a time, and they're always on back-order. In fact... I think I've heard rumblings that they're not releasing any more. Ever. So... again, not only was your post pretty much useless... it was based on false information. But I don't think that is much of a surprise to you or anyone that read your post.

what how would that be incorrect when the phone is on Samsung site you can't get the device through Verzion anyway so you make no sense but who cares you haven't placed the order for the device so what you say carries no weight

 

[DrPhant0m]

what how would that be incorrect when the phone is on Samsung site you can't get the device through Verzion anyway so you make no sense but who cares you haven't placed the order for the device so what you say carries no weight

In fact... I did place an order for the device. I was on backorder for several weeks before canceling it and buying an MI9 and using RDLV to root it. I made a conscious decision that I didn't necessarily need an unlocked bootloader to get the most of the device... mainly because the available software/roms/mods for the DE did not justify the cost, associated caveats, and waiting for the device for an indeterminate amount of time. A friend of mine did the same, and had a similar experience.

However... I do stand corrected. I made my statement earlier without checking what the current situation is... assuming it was just as bad, if not worse. I was able to put a DE in my cart and proceed to checkout without the typical "backorder" error message. Perhaps they let you follow through with the order further before telling you it's on backorder and you have to wait... but since I can't confirm that, I do apologize for my short sight earlier.

You do have to understand, though, that your tone earlier was somewhat unhelpful, given that most of us are full aware that we can get a developer edition phone. You might as well have suggested that we all buy galaxy nexus phones because the nexus line is the most developer-friendly available.

In addition... there are several caveats associated with the Dev Edition of the Note 3. In addition to the price, which is preventative to many... My understanding is that Samsung and Verizon are not committed to providing any support or updates for the Developer Edition devices. Also, a quick survey of the available ROMs and related content on this site is notably lacking for the Developer's Edition. At least... not on par with what one would hope to expect from an bootloader-unlocked device. Many are of the mind that if a bootloader unlock method was to be developed, the increase in accessibility would lead to a boom in associated development, including (but not limited to) AOSP ROM and custom kernel support.

 

[Marty_Since87]

Seriously? And I was thinking of coming to Verizon and getting the Note 3 -_-. Does the towelroot even work for Verizons Note 3?

 

[amebiasis]

Seriously? And I was thinking of coming to Verizon and getting the Note 3 -_-. Does the towelroot even work for Verizons Note 3?

Yes towel root works fine I just got a replacement phone last week with NC4 on it and rooted using towelroot installed safestrap and running Alliance ROM with it right now. Took about 10 minutes to do everything. Hardest part was having patience to download the rom lol

 

[Marty_Since87]

Yes towel root works fine I just got a replacement phone last week with NC4 on it and rooted using towelroot installed safestrap and running Alliance ROM with it right now. Took about 10 minutes to do everything. Hardest part was having patience to download the rom lol

Awesome, thanks. If everything works out fine I should have one this Friday.