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After all the bitching and whining and complaining and moaning and attacks, HTC was gonna still be the flagships killer in the end! LMAO! Maybe this will be the start of HTC competing with all, Samsung in the spring and Apple in the Fall!
This is the htc i want ! Outstanding.
@hamdir try out NFS no limits the new update has brought some massive graphic improvements im starting to belive its in HDR mode.
Ive bought s8+ exynoss and the graphics are much better then on S7E. Test out is it HDR mode game. As for s7e game still looks very good but after the new update that has landed on NFS fps isn't as good as before.

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Snapdragon 835 doesn't support 60fps for 4K , so that's not on HTC , it's the same reason why Samsung didn't equipped or updated note 8 to 4k 60fps following the iPhone's anouncement, because their exynos chip supports it but not the SD835

I think it does the ISP is definitely receiving 60fps at 4032*2272 on every other device 60fps mode is usually binned from full res so as to preserve full FOV but in the case the active array is 5856*2360 so it's definitely pulling at near full res I'm on the SD625 with the same sensor as the U11 and I'm able to do 37fps @ 3840 with driver actually overclocked past 60fps the encoder/isp can't keep up but in the video metadata it shows the incoming fps at 65.

The SD808 could do 39fps
SD810 could do 43 it stands to reason the 835 could easily reach 60 but is not advertised so it can be a "new" feature in the next soc .

But an easy way to find out is for a Rooted user to pull libmmcamera_imx362_htc.so from /vendor/lib/ I will replace normal 30fps with 60fps then we can see at what fps it cuts out at

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Interesting ,, don't know why HTC is limiting it , could it be something related to EIS ? I miss your freedcam app , aren't you going to support the u11 ? Also I can't find it on the play store or anywhere
Let's get the most outta this camera

Freedcam development was halted indefinitely
 

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I think it does the ISP is definitely receiving 60fps at 4032*2272 on every other device 60fps mode is usually binned from full res so as to preserve full FOV but in the case the active array is 5856*2360 so it's definitely pulling at near full res I'm on the SD625 with the same sensor as the U11 and I'm able to do 37fps @ 3840 with driver actually overclocked past 60fps the encoder/isp can't keep up but in the video metadata it shows the incoming fps at 65.

The SD808 could do 39fps
SD810 could do 43 it stands to reason the 835 could easily reach 60 but is not advertised so it can be a "new" feature in the next soc .

But an easy way to find out is for a Rooted user to pull libmmcamera_imx362_htc.so from /vendor/lib/ I will replace normal 30fps with 60fps then we can see at what fps it cuts out at

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Freedcam development was halted indefinitely
Only way I could upload it here is to put it in a zip file
 

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Only way I could upload it here is to put it in a zip file

Zip had a null file

I've attached the last lib I got I believe it's from the last update

Forced max res to 3840x2160 if cam starts just record normal 30fps video if possible in hevc
 

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had same problem with my HTC 10... the cause was not original USB cable that was broken and in repair they changed motherboard
For me my original cable is something broken, always stops charging and starts again, sometimes says it's slow and also transferring files from phone to PC or vise versa is broken too, bought couple months ago another USB 3 cable and it works perfectly fine without issues

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Thanks guys. Like a year ago its charging port had to be changed in service due to some watery cable i (unbeknowstly) used for charging. A few days ago it suddenly turned off at 15% charge and then it got stuck in a boot loop and i had to wait until all its charge depleted. Now it suddenly turned off at 15% too. However its charging as it should now! QC 3.0 charging, rapidly. So....errr, please tell me the issue is in charger and cable. I cant afford to sit and wait 3 weeks in service, not again. NOOOOOOOO. If its mobo then its possibly even more!
 

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this is what Dxo calls good image quality and processing in their iPhone 8 review

low light:

DKgxxELX0AAkBZo.jpg


The iPhone 8 image is properly exposed with good detail.

even daylight:

DKgxxmPW0AYALaa.jpg


DKgxzLmXcAERjr8.jpg


literally water color post processing like Android used to do two years ago, just waw

Conclusion: New record for single-camera smartphones

While we haven’t retested every smartphone using our new protocols, we have retested some of the best, and the Apple iPhone 8 improves over all of them, including the Google Pixel and the HTC U11 — the two best performers until now. Apple has brought some impressive image processing technology to bear on the images that the iPhone 8’s relatively small sensor captures, and it shows in better exposure, improved dynamic range, and lower noise than the iPhone 7. Only its bigger and more expensive dual-camera sibling, the Apple iPhone 8 Plus, tops it on our DxOMark Mobile charts.

judge for yourselves:

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-reviewed-a-solid-performance-upgrade-over-the-iphone-7/

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ip8-IMG_0644-1-e1506026459741.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/020-6.tif.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/110-2.jpg

curiously they used the pixel and not the more advanced u11 to porve the iphone 8 plus superiority

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

in two of images they fail the Pixel in fake bokeh and digital zoom vs dual cam zoom

but check this masterpiece

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/290-3.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ip8Plus-IMG_0639.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Pixels-IMG_20170921_104719.jpg

Similar to its detail score, the 8 Plus features a very low level of noise when capturing static scenes, outperforming every other phone in our database. Even the darkest areas in HDR scenes have very low levels of noise, and blue skies are almost without noise. There is some slight luminance noise indoors and in very low light, but well within acceptable limits. In this indoor test target scene, for example, the 8 Plus is a little further off in exposure than the Google Pixel, but has lower noise:

ofcourse its lower in noise its smudging the hell out of everything
 
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hilarious really the DXO review is a scandal

the model and her background are simply merged because of the excessive denoise and smudging, the pixel is a vastly superiour image and uses image stacking to restore detail versus brute median on the iphone and yet DXO fails the Pixel because of bokeh which it is not even designed to do

seriously....it will be interesting to see how the photographic community responds to DXO

iPhone 8 Plus
ip8Plus-IMG_0686a.jpg


Pixel
Pixels-IMG_20170921_125941.jpg


this DXO complete back flip on image quality and appluading this kind of pixel processing, will do more damage to the smarpthone camera world than we all might think, come next flagships they will all imitate the iPhones, lets hope Google/HTC keep the sanity check

in a way i am happy, its simply shows how hopeless smartphone photography will ever be because of this back / forth in experimentation, it all means my recent a6300 purchase is futher justified, a real camera with real lenses will never be touched with such excessive pixel butchery
 
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oil painting, similar to m9
since htc 10 iq has vastly improved and u11 sets a whole new bar.
the processing since iPhone 7 has gone down hill, and 8 only gets worse
I wish htc offers one small one big flagship like apple and Samsung
the size is just too big to handle


this is what Dxo calls good image quality and processing in their iPhone 8 review

low light:

DKgxxELX0AAkBZo.jpg




even daylight:

DKgxxmPW0AYALaa.jpg


DKgxzLmXcAERjr8.jpg


literally water color post processing like Android used to do two years ago, just waw



judge for yourselves:

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-reviewed-a-solid-performance-upgrade-over-the-iphone-7/

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ip8-IMG_0644-1-e1506026459741.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/020-6.tif.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/110-2.jpg

curiously they used the pixel and not the more advanced u11 to porve the iphone 8 plus superiority

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

in two of images they fail the Pixel in fake bokeh and digital zoom vs dual cam zoom

but check this masterpiece

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/290-3.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ip8Plus-IMG_0639.jpg

https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Pixels-IMG_20170921_104719.jpg



ofcourse its lower in noise its smudging the hell out of everything
 

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hilarious really the DXO review is a scandal

the model and her background are simply merged because of the excessive denoise and smudging, the pixel is a vastly superiour image and uses image stacking to restore detail versus brute median on the iphone and yet DXO fails the Pixel because of bokeh which it is not even designed to do

seriously....it will be interesting to see how the photographic community responds to DXO

iPhone 8 Plus
ip8Plus-IMG_0686a.jpg


Pixel
Pixels-IMG_20170921_125941.jpg


this DXO complete back flip on image quality and appluading this kind of pixel processing, will do more damage to the smarpthone camera world than we all might think, come next flagships they will all imitate the iPhones, lets hope Google/HTC keep the sanity check

in a way i am happy, its simply shows how hopeless smartphone photography will ever be because of this back / forth in experimentation, it all means my recent a6300 purchase is futher justified, a real camera with real lenses will never be touched with such excessive pixel butchery
Unfortunately this is what the majority of the no clue smartphone "photographers" thinks is good, less noise is always "better" no matter how smudged and crappy the pictures looks like...
The manufacturers wants to sell phones, as long as the smartphone "photographers" wants it this way they will keep making it this way...

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Unfortunately this is what the majority of the no clue smartphone "photographers" thinks is good, less noise is always "better" no matter how smudged and crappy the pictures looks like...
The manufacturers wants to sell phones, as long as the smartphone "photographers" wants it this way they will keep making it this way...

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i bet the camera engineers at Google/HTC are more than furious, after the huge progress they have done this year...wich was thanks to the same website DXO educating the masses about image quality, this backflip is a disaster....
 

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oil painting, similar to m9
since htc 10 iq has vastly improved and u11 sets a whole new bar.
the processing since iPhone 7 has gone down hill, and 8 only gets worse
I wish htc offers one small one big flagship like apple and Samsung
the size is just too big to handle

yes if we ignore the dynamic range, dual cam and OIS, indeed the new iPhone image is very similar to the M9

progress :fingers-crossed:
 

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    update 11/4/2016: the render are extremely close, official HTC 3D renders

    HTC 10 / One M10 / Perfume 3D Renders - dual tone metallic colors (original date 16/3/2016)

    click for bigger size

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    original model was provided by temp64GTX and I have corrected it overall, its now accurate from all sides, in the upcoming days ill post more colors and other angles

    these are the changes on top of the original turbosquid model:

    - front chamfer higher and less thick
    - rear chamfer bigger
    - camera location
    - nav buttons size and location
    - screen size
    - bezel
    - slimmer side
    - added black protective frame around the screen
    - raised 2.5d glass
    - removed the top right hole, its not hole, its a strip
    - added the right tray

    corrections are based on my my latest measurements
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    here we go, after a week of hell, this finally landed here today (TW 32GB)

    photos taken by the M9S:

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    my 10 rave fitbag arrives on Tuesday but my trusty old M8 one works as well

    I need to express my thanks for @imOJ for all the trouble he went through to help me get this, this guy rocks and i love Dubai!

    phenomenal build quality, this must be the first time i've unboxed an HTC flagships with zero QC quirks, despite all the beauty shots and my work on the 3D render it still hit me, the buttons are simply insane like an expensive piece of machinery, the chamfer makes the phone feels so slim and the weight is the same for M8 / M9 carriers, the grey and the black 2.5D glass combo is simple drool inducing, those getting the silver white are making a huge mistake, there are no plastics to be seen and even the plastic patch on top is awesome

    the box looks the same as the M9 from the outside but the inside is fancier, soft coated and much better organized, all the included stuff QC 3.0 charger, earbuds and Type-C cable feels much fancier than previous devices, by the time you finish unboxing one conclusion is clear, this is new chapter for HTC

    the camera out of box is nothing like we've seen lately so i've skipped testing it and installing 1.30 before i touch it

    the screen is on the surface and anyone thinking otherwise is lying to himself, the screen looks pinkish out of box for few reasons: auto brightness and the vivid mode, i have spent half an hour testing various settings, angles and doing comparisons which i will show you tomorrow but for now: I have strong evidence that this a matter of glue, actually its right there in @jmitr photos ;)

    once you raise the brightness to full and change your settings the screen will impress, i agree with David Ruddock, Vivid mode sucks! it's almost disgusting so i have switched to sRGB mode which is gorgeous and the temp slider to full cold, never seen such good whites, even with sRGB it's still greatly saturated vs M9, in short with sRGB this is extremely close to the iPhone, the coolest bit? using it at full brightness with auto disabled doesnt warm the screen at all (suggesting that the screen brightness is capped with the real full reserved for the sun)

    ghosting...sadly its true, its a regression from the M9 but hey i've spent the year fighting with everyone here who refused to believe that the M9 screen is much better versus the M8 in terms of smoothness feel ie: refresh rate, so if you worship the M8 screen you will have no problem as the 10 is better than the M8 just not as good as the M9 in terms of ghosting

    speakers: OMG, just ignore all the non sense you've read, its LOUD, louder than the M9 and the sound is much crisper, its just not dimensional like the M9 but its clearer and louder from every angle, finally music mode makes the difference, it sounds like stereo, the default theatre mode is inferior to the M9, we have yet another incident of reviewers being too lazy to switch a stupid setting

    more tomorrow
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    I have decided to show you this, my mockup of the M10, because i don't want to give Evan the pleasure of spoiling the M10 for us, like he did with that God awful washed out photo he has released, here is my render of the M10 which i had made earlier but now corrected to measurements after Evan's front reveal, this is made from all the insider information i have of the M10

    note: this mockup does not show the hidden thing on the front ;)

    you can really understand the codename now, this is the cleanest most symmetrical phone HTC ever made, it contains the essence of HTC but fulfils everything the press has been asking for
    - no logo bar
    - improved screen to body ratio hence its expect to have the same size as M9 with bigger screen, 5.2"
    - AOSP like UX
    - heavy loaded camera hardware

    update v2: refined render with corrected rear camera size, fingerprint shape and clearer bezel
    update v3: fractionally wider in order to perfectly fit the M9+ 5.2" screen proportions and every sensor on the front including the speaker was readjusted to match the evleak photo, brighter colors, fixed broken front USB center on v2
    update v4: adjusted fingerprint shape based on evidence of alternate prototype, so it could be either v3 or v4 as two prototypes exist
    update v5: bigger rear camera and flash/IR, antenna's location corrected based on latest leak, FP scanner, speaker, front camera and proximity corrected using the white photo
    update v5a with Sense 8 mock-up: trying to show case how the M10 looks with black wallpaper thanks to Amoled and Sense 8 colors, Desire 825 capacitive buttons plus color tweaks here and there for better looks
    update v6a: added the back chamfer matching the silver leak, hence rear camera combo gets smaller just a bit and the side tapers approach M9
    update v7a: back chamfer is now more solid
    update v8: added real Sense 8 icons

    update 4/3/2016: the official M10 render was leaked, comparison with my mock-ups over here

    My pre-leak mock-up vs official leaked render by evleaks

    HamdiR
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    Evleaks
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    HTC One M10 - codename Perfume mock up renders

    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v8 with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v7a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v6a with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v6a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5a with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5b
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v4
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v3
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v2
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v1
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    A9/Aero - official render
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    M9/Hima - official render
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    M10's bezel improvements vs the A9 (sense screenshot from A9)
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    and this cutout to give you an idea of the back curvature and edges
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    here we can see the metallic bumper accessory, how v5 was corrected and comparison between A9/M9/M10
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    HTC 10 / One M10 / Perfume 3D Renders - Black





    click for bigger size

    original model was provided by temp64GTX and I have corrected it overall, its now accurate from all sides, in the upcoming days ill post more colors and other angles

    these are the changes on top of the original turbosquid model:

    - front chamfer higher and less thick
    - rear chamfer bigger
    - camera location
    - nav buttons size and location
    - screen size
    - bezel
    - slimmer side
    - added black protective frame around the screen
    - raised 2.5d glass
    - removed the top right hole, its not hole, its a strip
    - added the right tray

    corrections are based on my my latest measurements
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    Well guys, it's a sad day. For the first time since I started using Android, I won't be buying the HTC flagship. It's sad because I really love HTC phones, and I got my start as a developer on HTC phones. But I think it's time to move on. My sincere thanks to all the HTC community here for supporting my kernels and apps over the years. I hope people aren't let down by me not getting the U12. I'll continue to support my kernels for the 10 and U11.

    Why am I not getting the U12? The honest answer is not enough users. I spend several thousand dollars per year on phones, supported by the revenues from my apps. It's pretty much a guarantee that I will lose money on the U12. I'm already really busy with more popular devices, so I can't justify spending another $1100 on a device that will have few users and require a lot of effort to maintain. HTC devices are a huge hassle to support compared to Pixel and OnePlus and even Moto. HTC still sends their kernel sources as a blob with no commit history, and they are routinely several months late in releasing them. Plus there are endless variants and weird HTC-specific quirks to deal with.

    Back in the day, HTC was definitely the best. Phones like the One S and m7 really stood above the competition. Looking back, it was the m9 that killed HTC. It was really a dud. The brilliance of the HTC 10 couldn't make up for it and although the U11 was a fine phone, I just never enjoyed it as much as my other current phones, which have really progressed in the last couple years.