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Weird last time I used MIUI was Fast/Smooth had no issue with it on performance front.
I can't help but notice the typical Android choppiness , frames being dropped left and right, only the pixel and the OnePlus devices feel smooth to me.

I think the mi 9 might be my last Android device, was thinking about getting a OnePlus next year but updates are important to me. OnePlus hasn't rolled a stable Android 10 update yet (as far as I know) that was last years flagship! That is unacceptable to me, maybe they're putting out too many devices a year and being overwhelmed by it, maybe they should just releasing two devices a year and at the same time.

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I think the mi 9 might be my last Android device, was thinking about getting a OnePlus next year but updates are important to me. OnePlus hasn't rolled a stable Android 10 update yet (as far as I know) that was last years flagship! That is unacceptable to me, maybe they're putting out too many devices a year and being overwhelmed by it, maybe they should just releasing two devices a year and at the same time.

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Honestly mate, if the updates are so important to you the way I see it you only have 2 choices... Either get a OnePlus or a similar device with an established/active custom ROM community and get off stock immediately. Or, save up and buy a Pixel 4XL and never worry about anything update-related for the life of the device (perhaps longer).
 
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Honestly mate, if the updates are so important to you the way I see it you only have 2 choices... Either get a OnePlus or a similar device with an established/active custom ROM community and get off stock immediately. Or, save up and buy a Pixel 4XL and never worry about anything update-related for the life of the device (perhaps longer).
I wanted a OnePlus but they're also screwing the updates, they only give priority to their most recent flagship, yeah I think the pixels are the only thing that works for me in the Android world, but those prices are really ridiculous.

Maybe I'll hold onto this mi 9 until apple releases the base iPhone with a 1080p oled screen. The iPhone max pro costs 1250 Eur that's Beyond insane!

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I can't help but notice the typical Android choppiness , frames being dropped left and right, only the pixel and the OnePlus devices feel smooth to me.

I think the mi 9 might be my last Android device, was thinking about getting a OnePlus next year but updates are important to me. OnePlus hasn't rolled a stable Android 10 update yet (as far as I know) that was last years flagship! That is unacceptable to me, maybe they're putting out too many devices a year and being overwhelmed by it, maybe they should just releasing two devices a year and at the same time.

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If you want fast updates Pixel or Android One devices are the only way to go, As for Stable Android 10 they pushed it in September on 7 Pro we are on 10.3.0/10.0.3.
 
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If you want fast updates Pixel or Android One devices are the only way to go, As for Stable Android 10 they pushed it in September on 7 Pro we are on 10.3.0/10.0.3.
That's my point, in order to get updates on a reasonable time you have to get their devices every year, while people having their flagship devices from the previous year are left waiting for half a year, that is a no go for me, since I want to move away from buying devices every year

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Congratulations on the new device! You're gonna have great fun using it over Christmas, also the Samsung forums are pretty lit atm (just sayin xD).

I've actually been considering picking up an S10e (for dark OneUI), but I just kinda wish it had more than a 1080p screen. :eek:

Ehh, maybe I'm over thinking it, or just being too picky.

you mean the christmas gift yesterday? yeah i was shocked when i saw it pop up on my s10 screen, a huge changelog and 2GB Android 10 update

in many ways Samsung has become the HTC we enjoyed few years ago, a fully unifed UI, constant maintenance updates and a complete experience
 
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Yeah... Android 10 almost out of the box for me. Got the phone yesterday, did initial setup, checked for updates, and voila.... Android 10 is here. Good job Samsung, good job.
Still trying to get used to it (a bit complicated UI coming from Sense), but it's not bad. Doesn't justify the price tag, but it's getting there

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you mean the christmas gift yesterday? yeah i was shocked when i saw it pop up on my s10 screen, a huge changelog and 2GB Android 10 update

in many ways Samsung has become the HTC we enjoyed few years ago, a fully unifed UI, constant maintenance updates and a complete experience

Except HTC didn't try to stop you from gaining root privileges....
 

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That's my point, in order to get updates on a reasonable time you have to get their devices every year, while people having their flagship devices from the previous year are left waiting for half a year, that is a no go for me, since I want to move away from buying devices every year

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OnePlus 6/T is also on 10.3.0 so not bad I guess. But yeah Android updates are a joke, Qualcomm is main to blame for chipset drivers then OEM's for deliberately EOLing devices to make you upgrade to the next.
 

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That's my point, in order to get updates on a reasonable time you have to get their devices every year, while people having their flagship devices from the previous year are left waiting for half a year, that is a no go for me, since I want to move away from buying devices every year

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I made the same decision 5 or so years back, when I saw what OnePlus was up to with the 2 a year release plan. If you trust in XDA community you can keep an old phone updated for 5 years+. Guess what my nearly 5 year old OnePlus X (2015) is running right now? It's Android 10 in form of LOS!

My Essential Phone (released in 2017) is running Android 10 as well already since September, and I don't feel like I need any other phone for at least another year or whenever Pixel 2XL becomes dirt cheap second hand (under £150).

Still kudos to Essential Products for the regular (faster than Pixel) stock updates. Before the PH1 I had a OnePlus 5 (SD835), that also has Android Q on it now (crDroid)... There are plenty of older devices out there that have huge community support even today and are still being kept up to date with the latest versions!

Go for a device that has that support in talking about, with minimum an SD835 at this point and you'll be totally fine for speed. You really have to be super smart when buying phones nowadays since the market is flooded with Asian makes... Xioami/Huawei/OPPO/Realme/etc..., each one of them releases a new phone every month or two (so like 5 year?).

Its sickening, I'm like totally against that btw!


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Girlfriend just broke her U12+
I guess it was just not ment to be....
Huawei P30 Pro for her to compare with my S10+ [emoji23]View attachment 4908301

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Ouch! I still have my pristine u12+ (one small 2mm scratch that you can't see unless you have the screen off and hold at 70deg. I bought a 4XL because of too many inconsistencies with Verizon and mms but it worked great for the 1.5 years I used it.

Have to say the 4 has been pretty glorious for me, though interesting the default cam settings on the 4 appear to have a wb issue for me vs the U12+ , which had the most natural of shots of all my friends. We used to have shoot offs when we would go out lol

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Ouch! I still have my pristine u12+ (one small 2mm scratch that you can't see unless you have the screen off and hold at 70deg. I bought a 4XL because of too many inconsistencies with Verizon and mms but it worked great for the 1.5 years I used it.

Have to say the 4 has been pretty glorious for me, though interesting the default cam settings on the 4 appear to have a wb issue for me vs the U12+ , which had the most natural of shots of all my friends. We used to have shoot offs when we would go out lol

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Girlfriend decided to keep the U12+
We're replacing the screen, no matter the cost. I'm happy she made that choice, that way I'm gonna have the chance to swap phones with her. I don't feel that "wow" factor with my new S10, and I think I'm swaping it for the U12 (if she's willing to give it up of course)

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Girlfriend decided to keep the U12+
We're replacing the screen, no matter the cost. I'm happy she made that choice, that way I'm gonna have the chance to swap phones with her. I don't feel that "wow" factor with my new S10, and I think I'm swaping it for the U12 (if she's willing to give it up of course)

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Girls are more faithfull then us. They/ she found something good/u 12+ and she is with it till the end. And us we are all like,no updates,sense is outdsted,bla bla etc...
Enough said,u know what to do ?
 
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Girls are more faithfull then us. They/ she found something good/u 12+ and she is with it till the end. And us we are all like,no updates,sense is outdsted,bla bla etc...
Enough said,u know what to do [emoji183]
Not really mate. I smashed my U12 so badly its battery fell right out from the phone. No chance of fixing it. Her phone has cracked screen, fixable, but not cheap. I can only wish I had her luck. I don't care about updates as long as my phone works fine, and my U12 worked great (except for speakerphone issue, but I don't use speakerphone anyway). I had great battery life, and my U12+ was as fast and smooth as my new S10+ not to mention ergonomics - buttons on S10+ are too high up to reach if you have average size arms

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---------- Post added at 11:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:58 PM ----------

u know what to do [emoji183]
Omly if she's willing to swap phones [emoji56]



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Not really mate. I smashed my U12 so badly its battery fell right out from the phone. No chance of fixing it. Her phone has cracked screen, fixable, but not cheap. I can only wish I had her luck. I don't care about updates as long as my phone works fine, and my U12 worked great (except for speakerphone issue, but I don't use speakerphone anyway). I had great battery life, and my U12+ was as fast and smooth as my new S10+ not to mention ergonomics - buttons on S10+ are too high up to reach if you have average size arms

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Heyyyy mateeeee half of my post was joke u see - quote me " she found something good/u 12+" u then space then 12+ .... Rest i agree with u,keeping all sides and corners broken u 11 still all working as router now in house,and kid is learning sense just in case :laugh:
 
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Heyyyy mateeeee half of my post was joke u see - quote me " she found something good/u 12+" u then space then 12+ .... Rest i agree with u,keeping all sides and corners broken u 11 still all working as router now in house,and kid is learning sense just in case [emoji23]
Mistaken "u" for "U". Easy enough mistake to make [emoji1787]

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Honestly mate, if the updates are so important to you the way I see it you only have 2 choices... Either get a OnePlus or a similar device with an established/active custom ROM community and get off stock immediately. Or, save up and buy a Pixel 4XL and never worry about anything update-related for the life of the device (perhaps longer).

Don't count OnePlus in software updates. 2 of my colleagues who own 6 and 6T haven't received Android 10 up until now. Both are still running August security patch while Samsung has officially seeded 10 in all their Galaxy flagship devices.

Funny how tech reviewers are in all praise of OnePlus with speedy updates which reminds me whether they are either being paid for false news or they are all shareholders themselves.
 

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    Hello
    Long time no see here
    After a year with the OP 7 pro I wonder which phone will replace it. S21 Ultra? Mi 11? Mi 11 Pro ?
    Which one will have a better root and roms choice?
    Looks like this time exynos is good enough on s21u. Dunno what's Hamdir thoughts about it
    I was very impressed with the S21 Ultra. First time a Samsung phone interested me in a long time.

    By the end of this year, Samsung will implement AMD GPU into their Exynos line up. So that will be another big boost if done properly

    I'm still rocking my u12+. So will wait to see what Samsung do (if they release a Note 21 Ultra, as it's unlikely). If not, then Fold 3 and the Pixel 6 is what I'll be looking forward to.
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    update 11/4/2016: the render are extremely close, official HTC 3D renders

    HTC 10 / One M10 / Perfume 3D Renders - dual tone metallic colors (original date 16/3/2016)

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    Black







    Silver







    Glacier











    original model was provided by temp64GTX and I have corrected it overall, its now accurate from all sides, in the upcoming days ill post more colors and other angles

    these are the changes on top of the original turbosquid model:

    - front chamfer higher and less thick
    - rear chamfer bigger
    - camera location
    - nav buttons size and location
    - screen size
    - bezel
    - slimmer side
    - added black protective frame around the screen
    - raised 2.5d glass
    - removed the top right hole, its not hole, its a strip
    - added the right tray

    corrections are based on my my latest measurements
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    here we go, after a week of hell, this finally landed here today (TW 32GB)

    photos taken by the M9S:

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    my 10 rave fitbag arrives on Tuesday but my trusty old M8 one works as well

    I need to express my thanks for @imOJ for all the trouble he went through to help me get this, this guy rocks and i love Dubai!

    phenomenal build quality, this must be the first time i've unboxed an HTC flagships with zero QC quirks, despite all the beauty shots and my work on the 3D render it still hit me, the buttons are simply insane like an expensive piece of machinery, the chamfer makes the phone feels so slim and the weight is the same for M8 / M9 carriers, the grey and the black 2.5D glass combo is simple drool inducing, those getting the silver white are making a huge mistake, there are no plastics to be seen and even the plastic patch on top is awesome

    the box looks the same as the M9 from the outside but the inside is fancier, soft coated and much better organized, all the included stuff QC 3.0 charger, earbuds and Type-C cable feels much fancier than previous devices, by the time you finish unboxing one conclusion is clear, this is new chapter for HTC

    the camera out of box is nothing like we've seen lately so i've skipped testing it and installing 1.30 before i touch it

    the screen is on the surface and anyone thinking otherwise is lying to himself, the screen looks pinkish out of box for few reasons: auto brightness and the vivid mode, i have spent half an hour testing various settings, angles and doing comparisons which i will show you tomorrow but for now: I have strong evidence that this a matter of glue, actually its right there in @jmitr photos ;)

    once you raise the brightness to full and change your settings the screen will impress, i agree with David Ruddock, Vivid mode sucks! it's almost disgusting so i have switched to sRGB mode which is gorgeous and the temp slider to full cold, never seen such good whites, even with sRGB it's still greatly saturated vs M9, in short with sRGB this is extremely close to the iPhone, the coolest bit? using it at full brightness with auto disabled doesnt warm the screen at all (suggesting that the screen brightness is capped with the real full reserved for the sun)

    ghosting...sadly its true, its a regression from the M9 but hey i've spent the year fighting with everyone here who refused to believe that the M9 screen is much better versus the M8 in terms of smoothness feel ie: refresh rate, so if you worship the M8 screen you will have no problem as the 10 is better than the M8 just not as good as the M9 in terms of ghosting

    speakers: OMG, just ignore all the non sense you've read, its LOUD, louder than the M9 and the sound is much crisper, its just not dimensional like the M9 but its clearer and louder from every angle, finally music mode makes the difference, it sounds like stereo, the default theatre mode is inferior to the M9, we have yet another incident of reviewers being too lazy to switch a stupid setting

    more tomorrow
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    I have decided to show you this, my mockup of the M10, because i don't want to give Evan the pleasure of spoiling the M10 for us, like he did with that God awful washed out photo he has released, here is my render of the M10 which i had made earlier but now corrected to measurements after Evan's front reveal, this is made from all the insider information i have of the M10

    note: this mockup does not show the hidden thing on the front ;)

    you can really understand the codename now, this is the cleanest most symmetrical phone HTC ever made, it contains the essence of HTC but fulfils everything the press has been asking for
    - no logo bar
    - improved screen to body ratio hence its expect to have the same size as M9 with bigger screen, 5.2"
    - AOSP like UX
    - heavy loaded camera hardware

    update v2: refined render with corrected rear camera size, fingerprint shape and clearer bezel
    update v3: fractionally wider in order to perfectly fit the M9+ 5.2" screen proportions and every sensor on the front including the speaker was readjusted to match the evleak photo, brighter colors, fixed broken front USB center on v2
    update v4: adjusted fingerprint shape based on evidence of alternate prototype, so it could be either v3 or v4 as two prototypes exist
    update v5: bigger rear camera and flash/IR, antenna's location corrected based on latest leak, FP scanner, speaker, front camera and proximity corrected using the white photo
    update v5a with Sense 8 mock-up: trying to show case how the M10 looks with black wallpaper thanks to Amoled and Sense 8 colors, Desire 825 capacitive buttons plus color tweaks here and there for better looks
    update v6a: added the back chamfer matching the silver leak, hence rear camera combo gets smaller just a bit and the side tapers approach M9
    update v7a: back chamfer is now more solid
    update v8: added real Sense 8 icons

    update 4/3/2016: the official M10 render was leaked, comparison with my mock-ups over here

    My pre-leak mock-up vs official leaked render by evleaks

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    HTC One M10 - codename Perfume mock up renders

    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v8 with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v7a with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v7a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v6a with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v6a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5a with Sense 8 mock-up
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5a
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v5b
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v4
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v3
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v2
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    M10/Perfume - mock-up render v1
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    A9/Aero - official render
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    M9/Hima - official render
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    M10's bezel improvements vs the A9 (sense screenshot from A9)
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    and this cutout to give you an idea of the back curvature and edges
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    here we can see the metallic bumper accessory, how v5 was corrected and comparison between A9/M9/M10
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    HTC 10 / One M10 / Perfume 3D Renders - Black





    click for bigger size

    original model was provided by temp64GTX and I have corrected it overall, its now accurate from all sides, in the upcoming days ill post more colors and other angles

    these are the changes on top of the original turbosquid model:

    - front chamfer higher and less thick
    - rear chamfer bigger
    - camera location
    - nav buttons size and location
    - screen size
    - bezel
    - slimmer side
    - added black protective frame around the screen
    - raised 2.5d glass
    - removed the top right hole, its not hole, its a strip
    - added the right tray

    corrections are based on my my latest measurements
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    Well guys, it's a sad day. For the first time since I started using Android, I won't be buying the HTC flagship. It's sad because I really love HTC phones, and I got my start as a developer on HTC phones. But I think it's time to move on. My sincere thanks to all the HTC community here for supporting my kernels and apps over the years. I hope people aren't let down by me not getting the U12. I'll continue to support my kernels for the 10 and U11.

    Why am I not getting the U12? The honest answer is not enough users. I spend several thousand dollars per year on phones, supported by the revenues from my apps. It's pretty much a guarantee that I will lose money on the U12. I'm already really busy with more popular devices, so I can't justify spending another $1100 on a device that will have few users and require a lot of effort to maintain. HTC devices are a huge hassle to support compared to Pixel and OnePlus and even Moto. HTC still sends their kernel sources as a blob with no commit history, and they are routinely several months late in releasing them. Plus there are endless variants and weird HTC-specific quirks to deal with.

    Back in the day, HTC was definitely the best. Phones like the One S and m7 really stood above the competition. Looking back, it was the m9 that killed HTC. It was really a dud. The brilliance of the HTC 10 couldn't make up for it and although the U11 was a fine phone, I just never enjoyed it as much as my other current phones, which have really progressed in the last couple years.
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