Ex-HTC Flagships - Mega Tech Discussion Thread

[DeeZZ_NuuZZ]

I wasn't talking about the buttons, we already cleared on this thread that the buttons were fixed if still annoying for some

bugs, in their G photos app integration, YouTube and WhatsApp, even the nav bar is buggy

Amoleds, do not generalize it varies per OEM implementation

your last line i am glad you were a man enough to admit it, i would love to answer it but for the sake of HTC i will do it in private

finally you want the thread back to its former glory, HTC needs to listen



this is not listening and their current situation reflects everything we are saying

Whatsapp bug for audio when holding phone next to ear is a WhatsApp issue. G photos...hm no real problem, or what exactly do you mean?
Navbar buggy? Which bugs there?
YouTube? Never seen a problem.

The problem with listening lies somewhere in Taiwan...

Yea, don't know what's to talk about there . But sure, write me something in private, it's not good to talk about everything in public



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[liam_davenport]

Pixel 3 Lite anyone? It even has a headphone jack :laugh:

https://rozetked.me/articles/3751-e...go-v-nashih-rukah-s-jack-3-5-i-snapdragon-670

 

[Large Hadron]

Pixel 3 Lite anyone? It even has a headphone jack :laugh:

https://rozetked.me/articles/3751-e...go-v-nashih-rukah-s-jack-3-5-i-snapdragon-670

32GB and no expansion would be a deal breaker. Been there, done that, not enough.

 

[LibertyMonger]

HTC fans will not get it until they try the other premium phones coming from China, this is not me being against HTC, but for their own sake they should listen to what nearly everyone is saying and not you my friend, HTC is a Taiwenese company after all, so why are they being so detached from reality?

all BBK companies will give you a high quality screen protector (some of them front and back) with a cover in the box + super fast charger and dongles, yet major OEMs insist on stupid non sense like limited quantity gift box or coupons, check jerry rig videos to see how well build most of BBK phones are they have the lowest failure rate of any company, more important they are water proofed despite no IP rating and finally there is no crazy price hike like everyone else

the mentality of the past doesn't work anymore :good:

The other premium phones from China don't always work with our carrier.

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HTC is great even with the M9 they have great stuff, the audio on the M9 is insane and today their u12+ camera even though not many are aware of it rivals even the mighty pixel 3, it destroys the camera on the u11/u11+ and their audio both input and output is exemplary, but this is them riding on what they are already good at, they are neglecting all the other issues people nagged about long ago

ancient OS and navigation, bugs since they dropped their gallery and main system apps, also HTC neglected the screen since the M8, in my opinion the only two really great HTC screens were the One X and the M8, after that it went downhill (the u11 being the one exception), how can you neglect a screen on your highest priced flagship is beyond me

When you were King, the standards that were set are hard to beat and convince. HTC is held to a much harder standard. People who like cheap carrier service can buy the Chinese phones here in USA.

Roll call for Verizon users on cheap Chinese phones?

 

[ijuanp03]

Not everything is about US carriers. The world is so big. HTC can't convince network carriers to sell their phones, more so the general public. Heck, they can't even convince us Asians in the first place. Lol

"Cheap" Chinese phones can survive without carriers. Huawei even beat Apple as the 2nd smartphone vendor in the world without the help from US consumers.

Don't live in the past. We're not in 2011 anymore.
HTC thinks camera and audio is everything.
Nothing is special with their build quality.
They can't get away with their premium price because nobody knows them now.

Don't blame consumers why they choose "cheap" Chinese phones. Consumers lost trust in them. A lot of HTC fans have moved on because there are better products out there with reasonable price tag.

 

[hamdir]

Here you go, no HTC flagship in 2019 but something else

https://phandroid.com/2018/11/16/no...something-else/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[LibertyMonger]

Here you go, no HTC flagship in 2019 but something else

https://phandroid.com/2018/11/16/no...something-else/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

That's what I would do if I couldn't compete with cheap Chinese manufacturers and wasn't selling. They will regroup. Cheap Chinese manufacturers will go the way of the Dinosaur as well. Great things always come to an end.

I would say they will be buying themselves some time if they have a chance to compete. Rushing for first quarter release is not in their best interest. All five of my phones are paid off on Verizon, maybe I will be forced to switch carriers to get my family good phones until and if HTC comes back but I'm not seeing the Verizon exclusive Google Pixel 3XL as an upgrade from the U12+.

Although the OnePlus 6T supposedly supports the Verizon Network, it only supports band 13, the same as the HTC U11 which was heavily criticized for it.

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Not everything is about US carriers. The world is so big. HTC can't convince network carriers to sell their phones, more so the general public. Heck, they can't even convince us Asians in the first place. Lol

"Cheap" Chinese phones can survive without carriers. Huawei even beat Apple as the 2nd smartphone vendor in the world without the help from US consumers.

Don't live in the past. We're not in 2011 anymore.
HTC thinks camera and audio is everything.
Nothing is special with their build quality.
They can't get away with their premium price because nobody knows them now.

Don't blame consumers why they choose "cheap" Chinese phones. Consumers lost trust in them. A lot of HTC fans have moved on because there are better products out there with reasonable price tag.

Not denying consumers have moved on, that is obvious. It's easy to make your case for cheaper products and want to justify your choice with so many options at cheaper prices with same specs on paper. We get it. It does not make it true that the U12+ isn't in the top five of best phone of the year. Regardless of sales. Especially with the argument that HTC Sense is old when we can run most all Google apps.

 

[devsk]

After 10 years of HTC, I am moving to Pixel this year (with current Black Friday discounts, the phones are quite in the range of OP and HTC). Although, Pixel 3 has flaws, I think it has lot going for it (including the best aspect: consistent, well timed security updates). I am also planning to check out the project fi.

 

[grega_slo]

The other premium phones from China don't always work with our carrier.

Well OP6T works with my carrier, hell I even have VOLTE now, tried all the hacks possible with U11 and didn`t manage to get it to work.
And phone is like 200-300€ cheaper than U11.

I still have my U11 btw...

But as hamdir said... I was on HTC for 13 years, now I switched to OP. Difference is obvious at first I was having some hard moments without sense and after 1 week, I don`t miss it at all. In fact I`m beginning to understand how obsolete it has become if I compare it to other phones....

Sorry, I was HTC fan, had nearly all flagships they produced but I stopped with U11. They simply have no true/real idea what to produce nor they listen to their customers at all...

 

[hamdir]

Not denying consumers have moved on, that is obvious. It's easy to make your case for cheaper products and want to justify your choice with so many options at cheaper prices with same specs on paper. We get it. It does not make it true that the U12+ isn't in the top five of best phone of the year. Regardless of sales. Especially with the argument that HTC Sense is old when we can run most all Google apps.

You are funny, my global Nex isnt cheap for me it has cost big money to import it, 820$, stop using cheap and bands as an excuse,I have both phones in my pocket every day

Nex
- better screen, massively, true black, true HDR and true 60hz, well reduced pentile screen door effect, flawless color balance
- better design rear and front
- better build
- better screen to body ratio
- smoother UI overall with animations, yes believe that
- less depressing UI
- better thermals
- True Always On Display (AOD) lockscreen active all the time
- Onscreen fingerint without the need to wake the screen
- massively better battery life with AOD
- all stock apps support fully screen videos
- better full screen support even for apps which doesn't support it
- better gestures navigation, better nav bar, better buttons
- true floating notifications even for the dialer
- Newer Android version
- Google lens and assistant integration
- Google photos app share options work flawless without bugs
- you can't cover recordings in WhatsApp with your hand, voice messages playback normal if left in background, you can share screen casts without an issues
- did I say no bugs?
- headphones jack with excellent custom DAC
- GCam 6 with night sight fully working, same sensor as pixel 3

U12+
- better stock camera but can't match GCam features
- much better video recording, better than any Android phone
- better stereo audio, better audio recording
- face unlock
- phone bootloader can be unlocked if a little troublesome
- NFC and Netflix decoding

So yes the u12+ is simply a camera and a recording device in my second pocket

The u12+ is a perfectly practical device which covers all grounds but does it have joy? No for that they need a major remaking for the screen and UI

The Nex is not perfect you need to modify it (nova etc) to enjoy to the fullest potential but you earn a futuristic hardware with an incredible screen

HTC fans who will still be served by this company, for your own sake speak up and let them serve you better, they are certainly not cheap

 

[liam_davenport]

Well OP6T works with my carrier, hell I even have VOLTE now, tried all the hacks possible with U11 and didn`t manage to get it to work.
And phone is like 200-300€ cheaper than U11.

I still have my U11 btw...

But as hamdir said... I was on HTC for 13 years, now I switched to OP. Difference is obvious at first I was having some hard moments without sense and after 1 week, I don`t miss it at all. In fact I`m beginning to understand how obsolete it has become if I compare it to other phones....

Sorry, I was HTC fan, had nearly all flagships they produced but I stopped with U11. They simply have no true/real idea what to produce nor they listen to their customers at all...

Exactly this for me too. HTC lost their way.. We've tried to voice our opinion only to get shut down by triggered fans better to just move on to other devices that suit us better.

 

[Large Hadron]

That's what I would do if I couldn't compete with cheap Chinese manufacturers and wasn't selling. They will regroup. Cheap Chinese manufacturers will go the way of the Dinosaur as well. Great things always come to an end.

I'm not sure that part of HTC's problem hasn't been a reluctance to accept that their competition is the lower-tier brands, as opposed to Samsung and Apple as it used to be. But whatever they do, a change in strategy is necessary.

Off-topic, but there are actually still about twice as many species of dinosaur alive as mammals, perhaps 4 times (until recently estimates were 9,000-10,000 vs about 5,400 species of mammals, but studies by the American Museum of Natural History suggest that the previous estimates were low by about a factor of 2). They are no longer the dominant large terrestrial animals, except in parts of Antarctica during the winter, but they are still extremely successful. They did go through a massive contraction at the end of the Cretaceous, as HTC have been doing recently, but if HTC could follow their example they'd be doing very well.

 

[Ba7rani]

My htc 10 still very good phone, except screen brightness outdoor (battery has been replaced :good: )

Stock camera + some retouch by snapseed and gcam are doing well.

I will stick one more year at least with this beast phone.

My next phone will be pixel 4 or One+7. I will really miss htc phones.

I tried Apple, Huawei,Samsung,LG,Sony .. htc M7 & Htc 10 was the best overall.

 

[symy17]

The htc problems were several, they did not hear the fans, they failed to change the metal through the glass, because the lovers of the metal are still many. The front design of the htc 10 was bad, bezel huge, gave an outlook of obsolete design, abandoned the updates and the sense when they were its great strengths. What I wanted for 2019 was a htc smartphone made by the fans, with their opinion, even if it is the last one but finally hear the fans, because U design was a total failure and they did not notice at the launch of htc u11. Today the current owners of htc smartphones are completely abandoned, was one of the reasons that made me buy a xiaomi mi8, price was one of the factors. But the disillusionment of having bought the htc 10 at launch for $ 800 and a year being abandoned was huge. I think there have been many bad decisions and not a matter of money. With the htc u12 development money I would have made better decisions than htc administrators

Enviado do meu MI 8 através do Tapatalk

 

[hamdir]

My htc 10 still very good phone, except screen brightness outdoor (battery has been replaced :good: )

Stock camera + some retouch by snapseed and gcam are doing well.

I will stick one more year at least with this beast phone.

My next phone will be pixel 4 or One+7. I will really miss htc phones.

I tried Apple, Huawei,Samsung,LG,Sony .. htc M7 & Htc 10 was the best overall.

Yeah indeed the HTC 10 is the last true HTC phone, the u11+ showed a slight hope to return to form but that surge didn't continue with the u12+

Reminder: at the end of last year the u11+ was one of the very best phones money can buy especially for it's price

Look at us today, HTC even thought it's a good idea to reduce the battery size, raise the price and drop back to 64gb in many markets, it's really surreal

Something I forgot to touch about, is the utter lack of official accessories, you can't repurchase the official case with open sides for edge sense if you break it

 

[5m4r7ph0n36uru]

Look at us today, HTC even thought it's a good idea to reduce the battery size, raise the price and drop back to 64gb in many markets, it's really surreal

What for do I need more memory? We're living in the digital world, and I'm running 278 Apps, some of them 1.5GB in size, still having 30GB free to be used for anything else. Pictures are around 10GB on my internal memory, synching to Google, and personal Cloud/NAS and being erased from the phone once a week. Only time they get above 10GB is on vacation, but during that time I normally take out my secondary SIM from work, and exchange it by my 128GB extSD.

I'm running that very configuration for three years now and never hand any problems with storage capacity. Sure more storage always looks nice, but one simply doesn't need it. At least only a very small group of people really needs more storage. Why else are so many people still running mid range phone with 32GB withojt any problems.


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[CamoGeko]

32GB and no expansion would be a deal breaker. Been there, done that, not enough.

Wow, I thought 32GB storage is a thing of the past now. I really hope that it doesn't come with that as standard.


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[ijuanp03]

Sure more storage always looks nice, but one simply doesn't need it. At least only a very small group of people really needs more storage. Why else are so many people still running mid range phone with 32GB without any problems.

One doesn't need it until you needed it.
And we have different usage patterns.

Most midrange phones have expandable storage and luckily, HTC is still keeping this option in its flagship.

 

[hamdir]

What for do I need more memory? We're living in the digital world, and I'm running 278 Apps, some of them 1.5GB in size, still having 30GB free to be used for anything else. Pictures are around 10GB on my internal memory, synching to Google, and personal Cloud/NAS and being erased from the phone once a week. Only time they get above 10GB is on vacation, but during that time I normally take out my secondary SIM from work, and exchange it by my 128GB extSD.

I'm running that very configuration for three years now and never hand any problems with storage capacity. Sure more storage always looks nice, but one simply doesn't need it. At least only a very small group of people really needs more storage. Why else are so many people still running mid range phone with 32GB withojt any problems.


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Dude you are missing the point, that's the problem right there the excuses and justifications

The u11+ had 128gb as a standard, had the exact same panel and bigger battery yet it was cheaper that's the big picture it's not about your personal needs it's about a near 1000$ flagship being offered with lower storage than most 400$ phones just because Samsung dared to do it, yet even Samsung suffered for it their s9 sales are no where near their standards

You know I give up, you like to be ripped off so be it but it's not like I am loaner here, nearly everyone are saying the exact same critic and only a few of you are defending it, if HTC keeps listensing to you people I am sure there won't be an HTC left

Even Nicholas grey (HTC source guy) is saying the exact same things so enough is enough

I think we can really see the problem: it's regression, HTC is one of the few companies who somehow think it's ok to regress from the previous version to the next

 

[cronus101]

What for do I need more memory? We're living in the digital world, and I'm running 278 Apps, some of them 1.5GB in size, still having 30GB free to be used for anything else. Pictures are around 10GB on my internal memory, synching to Google, and personal Cloud/NAS and being erased from the phone once a week. Only time they get above 10GB is on vacation, but during that time I normally take out my secondary SIM from work, and exchange it by my 128GB extSD.

I'm running that very configuration for three years now and never hand any problems with storage capacity. Sure more storage always looks nice, but one simply doesn't need it. At least only a very small group of people really needs more storage. Why else are so many people still running mid range phone with 32GB withojt any problems.

You kind of answered your own question there. You are forced to erase your photos once a week. You are forced to remove your secondary sim and replace it with a large extSD. I have no idea why you prefer having your stuff stored in the cloud instead of the device. Don't get me wrong, the cloud is a good backup location, but why would you have you original pictures and videos, etc, on the cloud when you could have them physically stored with you?

Also, note that not everyone has fast data access all the time. You say that you have been doing this for 3 years now. Maybe that's why you think it's normal.

Why are so many people with mid range and 32gb? Budget. Pure and simple. If you gave then an option of 32gb and 64gb, at the same price, I really want to know, exactly who would pick 32gb?