HTC Leo = The first decent HTC phone in a long time

[bemymonkey]

Why wouldn't you re-encode them to suit the phone better?

Because reencoding takes forever? When I'm about to leave for a trip the last thing I want to do is spend hours transcoding movies so that I can watch them on the trip...

 

[Toss3]

Because reencoding takes forever? When I'm about to leave for a trip the last thing I want to do is spend hours transcoding movies so that I can watch them on the trip...

So what device right now can run 720p movies without re-encoding? All of the avi rips out there should run fine on the HD2(at least the one I tested) so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Shasarak]

So what device right now can run 720p movies without re-encoding?

I actually wouldn't be surprised if a Snapdragon device could do that - if the application were fully hardware-accelerated.



EDIT: In fact, Qualcomm actually lists 720p video playback in the Snapdragon specifications.

High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support

Source: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/snapdragon.html

 

[Toss3]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if a Snapdragon device could do that - if the application were fully hardware-accelerated.

Well if the bitrate was low-enough then sure, but considering that most 720p rips have a bitrate of 5+ Mbps I don't think running HD movies is going to be an option(especially when you take audio into consideration). The most important thing however is that the HD2 won't support mkv containers, which is a shame really. Would have preferred mkv support over avi any day.

 

[Toss3]

To anyone still worried about the graphics-performance of the HD2 should take a look at this video:
HD2 vs Touch HD

The poster said that the HD2 performed 10 times better in all instances compared to the touch HD.

 

[vangrieg]

I wish .mkv never even appeared of course as I don't give a damn really if a container is "better", and even less about it being open source. .mkv didn't improve my (or anyone else's) life for an iota, yet created problems with incompatibilities, forcing me to buy new costly equipment.

As regards re-encoding, bemymonkey put it right - it's a lengthy process, a major hassle, makes watching video on my phone pretty much unrealistic - I don't have time for this when going for a trip. I also don't download videos to watch them on the phone - I use other equipment for that purpose, and .mp4 isn't even supported there, I think. Having multiple copies of everything would just be insane.

 

[vangrieg]

The poster said that the HD2 performed 10 times better in all instances compared to the touch HD.

That's all fine and well, but 3D graphics performance is a rather theoretical thing really - there are no games for WM to benefit from that.

 

[Toss3]

That's all fine and well, but 3D graphics performance is a rather theoretical thing really - there are no games for WM to benefit from that.

Well that's because there hasn't really been any phones on the market whose gpu could even run games at a decent framerate(except of course for the Iphone) for that long so now that we are starting to see a lot of phones with dedicated GPUs I bet were gonna start seeing more games being released as well. Multitouch is also a godsend for gaming on a windows mobile device!

 

[Toss3]

I wish .mkv never even appeared of course as I don't give a damn really if a container is "better", and even less about it being open source. .mkv didn't improve my (or anyone else's) life for an iota, yet created problems with incompatibilities, forcing me to buy new costly equipment.

As regards re-encoding, bemymonkey put it right - it's a lengthy process, a major hassle, makes watching video on my phone pretty much unrealistic - I don't have time for this when going for a trip. I also don't download videos to watch them on the phone - I use other equipment for that purpose, and .mp4 isn't even supported there, I think. Having multiple copies of everything would just be insane.

This really isn't the thread for arguing about which container is better and why, but mkv:s take up a lot less space than similar quality avi:s which should be reason enough to forget about avi completely.

The HD2 has native avi-playback support also so that should simplify things for ya.

 

[Wishmaster89]

The HD2 has native avi-playback support also so that should simplify things for ya.

But it doesn't support divx nor xvid so don't expect it to playback your avi files.
You will need CorePlayer to playback your files.

 

[l3v5y]

Why wouldn't you re-encode them to suit the phone better?

Pre-ordered my Leo today!

To be honest, when you get 200% playback speed, why the hell do you need to re encode to get decent performance?!?

 

[skr_xd]

To be honest, when you get 200% playback speed, why the hell do you need to re encode to get decent performance?!?

You are right.
The videos which are giving ~130% in benchmark are smoother in my HD with rarely any skipping frame(For xvid files) with coreplayer.
So, with 200% results, iam sure we will get a very smooth playback.

 

[Shasarak]

To be honest, when you get 200% playback speed, why the hell do you need to re encode to get decent performance?!?

You certainly will not get 200% playback speed on 720p material.

 

[Shasarak]

Well that's because there hasn't really been any phones on the market whose gpu could even run games at a decent framerate(except of course for the Iphone) for that long so now that we are starting to see a lot of phones with dedicated GPUs I bet were gonna start seeing more games being released as well. Multitouch is also a godsend for gaming on a windows mobile device!

You seriously think games authors are going to target a single model of WinMo phone? I doubt there will be a single high-end WinMo game published at all between now and when WinMo 7 becomes established - quite possibly not even then. WinMo 7 may change things because it will have a fairly hefty minimum hardware spec - the HD2 will be the least powerful phone able to meet the WM7 requirements. So it's conceivable that there will be some games targeting WinMo 7 (assuming Windows Mobile hasn't already ceased to exist entirely by then - it's already in fourth place behind RIM, Symbian and the iPhone OS, and it won't be long before it's in 5th place behind Android). For the moment, any WinMo game has to run on a phone that's 2 or 3 years old with a QVGA display and no GPU.

 

[Toss3]

You certainly will not get 200% playback speed on 720p material.

QFT.

You seriously think games authors are going to target a single model of WinMo phone? I doubt there will be a single high-end WinMo game published at all between now and when WinMo 7 becomes established - quite possibly not even then. WinMo 7 may change things because it will have a fairly hefty minimum hardware spec - the HD2 will be the least powerful phone able to meet the WM7 requirements. So it's conceivable that there will be some games targeting WinMo 7 (assuming Windows Mobile hasn't already ceased to exist entirely by then - it's already in fourth place behind RIM, Symbian and the iPhone OS, and it won't be long before it's in 5th place behind Android). For the moment, any WinMo game has to run on a phone that's 2 or 3 years old with a QVGA display and no GPU.

Well, I guess you are right, but I bet we'll start seeing more decent mobile phone games as Opengl ES 2.0 support starts being standard in most devices next year.

Honestly I'm happy with fpsece for now.

 

[zoro25]

I know the phone is Capacitive and not resistive however can anyone explain the need for the matrix on the screen rather than pure glass?

Maybe its needed?, My HD1 which is resistive doesn't have it and the Iphone which is Capacitive also doesn't?

Are HD using a hybrid system?

you can see the matrix very clearly here
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hd2-hands-on/2420568/

I hope it doesn't spoil the display on that nice screen as in that pic it looks very obvious and it would slightly annoy while watching movies if it stands out that much.

 

[dfulgo]

you can see the matrix very clearly here
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hd2-hands-on/2420568/

I think that it is just the screen protector applied for the packing and to be removed.

 

[zoro25]

I think that it is just the screen protector applied for the packing and to be removed.

I think your right actually as my HD1 did come with a protector for shipping which was matrix just like that pic displays

 

[fedefedefede]

Somebody knows if it comes with a free microsd card? Like 2 GB just for a start...I havent seen anything in the unboxing videos or in the reviews.

my2$

 

[chris10230]

Somebody knows if it comes with a free microsd card? Like 2 GB just for a start...I havent seen anything in the unboxing videos or in the reviews.

my2$

its 'supposed' to have a 2gb card and also no one has a full retail box yet. You will notice that they dont have any manuals either i think