Question I don't see the OEM toggle

[elliwigy]

Well I'm not really wrong as I simply tried to solve the OP missing OEM Toggle !

you are wrong bcuz u are going based off all the intl models being same as usa models which they are not so any solutions you have based on intl models will not work as they dont apply to usa models.

 

[Arobase40]

a response to my own post saying the links provided likely only applied to international variants and NOT to the usa models and therefore are irrelevant doesnt mean its ok to confuse ppl and hijack a thread to try and solve your own problem lol..

It is hijacking because the international models and the usa models are very different when it comes to unlocking the bootloader.. USA models cannot unlock the BL whereas Intl' models can.. you can unlock your bl but dont know how to root it which is completely dif. than the ops issue who cant even unlock the BL.. the "situations" you are trying to explain are completely different.

I don't understand why you are globally locked down with the US models and what you are saying is false and you know it as you are also the same moderator in the Galaxy Note 9 thread !
It took more time to unlock and to root the US Note 9 than the International one but at least it is now possible to unlock the US bootloader and to root the US Galaxy Note 9, including installing TWRP (since 2018) and some custom roms. You also proposed a way to root the US Note 9 without the need to unlock the bootloader and to touch the Knox flag. Partially useful but the problem is that you cannot do TWRP backup and restore when something is wrong... This was the same problem with my Galaxy Note 3 and with every firmware updates I had to redo the whole process from start to root it as there was no TWRP available at that time...

There may be also some other US Samsung devices in the same position such as Galaxy S10e (SM-G970U) but I don't own them and I don't have time to check all their situations...
I saw also TWRP for the US S21 Ultra and the US Galaxy Tab S7 Plus... based on your signature...

BTW, the OP issue is that he can't even try to unlock the bootloader simply because he can't see and can't access the OEM Toogle !

 

[Arobase40]

you are wrong bcuz u are going based off all the intl models being same as usa models which they are not so any solutions you have based on intl models will not work as they dont apply to usa models.

Nope you are still wrong because the International models don't have this issue about hidden OEM Toggle !!!

 

[Arobase40]

a response to my own post saying the links provided likely only applied to international variants and NOT to the usa models and therefore are irrelevant doesnt mean its ok to confuse ppl and hijack a thread to try and solve your own problem lol..

It is hijacking because the international models and the usa models are very different when it comes to unlocking the bootloader.. USA models cannot unlock the BL whereas Intl' models can.. you can unlock your bl but dont know how to root it which is completely dif. than the ops issue who cant even unlock the BL.. the "situations" you are trying to explain are completely different.

Why are you talking as my "own problem" and why are you mocking me as if I was the sole person who is concerned with this issue ???

"My problem" is everyone's problem whether we own a US or an International model !!!

 

[elliwigy]

I don't understand why you are globally locked down with the US models and what you are saying is false and you know it as you are also the same moderator in the Galaxy Note 9 thread !
It took more time to unlock and to root the US Note 9 than the International one but at least it is now possible to unlock the US bootloader and to root the US Galaxy Note 9, including installing TWRP (since 2018) and some custom roms. You also proposed a way to root the US Note 9 without the need to unlock the bootloader and to touch the Knox flag. Partially useful but the problem is that you cannot do TWRP backup and restore when something is wrong... This was the same problem with my Galaxy Note 3 and with every firmware updates I had to redo the whole process from start to root it as there was no TWRP available at that time...

There may be also some other US Samsung devices in the same position such as Galaxy S10e (SM-G970U) but I don't own them and I don't have time to check all their situations...
I saw also TWRP for the US S21 Ultra and the US Galaxy Tab S7 Plus... based on your signature...

BTW, the OP issue is that he can't even try to unlock the bootloader simply because he can't see and can't access the OEM Toogle !

- USA Models have almost always been locked down. A few variants were unlockable for a bit like tmo or sprint but for the most part for years and years us models havent been unlockable without exploits and even then a majority of said exploits were just for root (bootloader was still locked and not able to use TWRP.)

- Not sure what you mean about Note 9 because I dont moderate in Samsung forums, I mostly am mod for Xiaomi. If you mean my root exploit for N9, that is using exploits and only for root, not for unlocking the BL.

- There was no way to unlock the bootloader of the US Note 9 in 2018. I posted the worlds first and only Note 9 root exploit which BL was still locked at that time and no option to unlock and use TWRP so I am not sure what you are referring to there.

- As I stated earlier I believe, devices released in 2019 to current (S9 to S21 and even some flip/fold devices) up to a certain update (each device is dif. but newer security isnt possible) via paid service which I also provide (and one other person) that relies on a device specific "token" that unlocks the bootloader. Even then, the oem toggle is never visible even after unlocking via paif service if it can even be unlocked (meaning its not updated to the point it cant unlock anymore.)

- My S21U did have an unlocked BL until I was robbed at gunppint and thethief broke my screen and upon getting it repaired theyhad to update it to latest firmware therefore losing my unlock. And the Tab S7+ that I have isnt a us carrier model (which are not unlockable without paid service) and is a SM-T970 (wifi only model) which is BL unlockable out of the box unlike us carrier models.

- Lastly, that is exactly what I am saying. He has a USA model that is not unlockable without paid service (if hes not updated to a firmware it no longer would work on.) The oem toggle will never appear. Theres no 7 day trick or anything he can do to get it unlocked. He'd have to find some sort of exploit that no one in the world has found yet or that they havent released (if someone did find some exploits.)

This is coming from someone who knows many devs around the world and as of last few years seems to be the only one still actively searching for exploits (and even found some root exploits and other things) and that only buys US models that are locked down tight and currently working with s21u a50 a32 5g s20u with no luck even at a root exploit. I was simply just trying to put it out there so ppl dont waste their time and stated the links and such ppl posted are irrelevant in this case as they dont apply to us models but hey, you can think I am wrong if you like and I hope op finds a miracle somehow to unlock his BL as itd help me unlock my other devices and others in the same boat but I'll take that with a grain of salt lol.

Hopefully this cleats things up for you.

 

[elliwigy]

Nope you are still wrong because the International models don't have this issue about hidden OEM Toggle !!!

huh? I literally said the intl models are not the same as the usa models so any solutions for intl models will not work in this case which I cant tell if you agree or not as u indicate/acknowledge that they are not the same..

 

[elliwigy]

Why are you talking as my "own problem" and why are you mocking me as if I was the sole person who is concerned with this issue ???

"My problem" is everyone's problem whether we own a US or an International model !!!

Because this isnt your thread and the ops issue is completely different than your issue and US or intl model DOES matter because you are unlocked.. US model cant even get that far.. your issue is with not knowing how to root after your bl is unlocked.. ops issue ishe has a US model and cant unlock the bootloader at all.. talking about your issue confuses people with US models into thinking they can unlock their bl but they cant so two different issues...

 

[Arobase40]

- USA Models have almost always been locked down. A few variants were unlockable for a bit like tmo or sprint but for the most part for years and years us models havent been unlockable without exploits and even then a majority of said exploits were just for root (bootloader was still locked and not able to use TWRP.)

- Not sure what you mean about Note 9 because I dont moderate in Samsung forums, I mostly am mod for Xiaomi. If you mean my root exploit for N9, that is using exploits and only for root, not for unlocking the BL.

- There was no way to unlock the bootloader of the US Note 9 in 2018. I posted the worlds first and only Note 9 root exploit which BL was still locked at that time and no option to unlock and use TWRP so I am not sure what you are referring to there.

- As I stated earlier I believe, devices released in 2019 to current (S9 to S21 and even some flip/fold devices) up to a certain update (each device is dif. but newer security isnt possible) via paid service which I also provide (and one other person) that relies on a device specific "token" that unlocks the bootloader. Even then, the oem toggle is never visible even after unlocking via paif service if it can even be unlocked (meaning its not updated to the point it cant unlock anymore.)

- My S21U did have an unlocked BL until I was robbed at gunppint and thethief broke my screen and upon getting it repaired theyhad to update it to latest firmware therefore losing my unlock. And the Tab S7+ that I have isnt a us carrier model (which are not unlockable without paid service) and is a SM-T970 (wifi only model) which is BL unlockable out of the box unlike us carrier models.

- Lastly, that is exactly what I am saying. He has a USA model that is not unlockable without paid service (if hes not updated to a firmware it no longer would work on.) The oem toggle will never appear. Theres no 7 day trick or anything he can do to get it unlocked. He'd have to find some sort of exploit that no one in the world has found yet or that they havent released (if someone did find some exploits.)

This is coming from someone who knows many devs around the world and as of last few years seems to be the only one still actively searching for exploits (and even found some root exploits and other things) and that only buys US models that are locked down tight and currently working with s21u a50 a32 5g s20u with no luck even at a root exploit. I was simply just trying to put it out there so ppl dont waste their time and stated the links and such ppl posted are irrelevant in this case as they dont apply to us models but hey, you can think I am wrong if you like and I hope op finds a miracle somehow to unlock his BL as itd help me unlock my other devices and others in the same boat but I'll take that with a grain of salt lol.

Hopefully this cleats things up for you.

First of all I have to say English is not my native language so I can say things that can be misunderstood, but since now I don't think this is the case...

I never said or meant that US and International Samsung phone are the same or could be treated the same way nor did I said that ALL US phones could be unlocked, but as you said yourself : "A few variants were unlockable for a bit like tmo or sprint but for the most part for years and years us models havent been unlockable without exploits and even then a majority of said exploits were just for root (bootloader was still locked and not able to use TWRP.)"... ^^

Then it's hard to know when you participate into a discussion as moderator or not as you always use the same pseudo with the same status "elliwigy : Forum moderator /Recognized Dev / Dev Relations"... ^^
But when we go in the Snapdragon dev section for the Galaxy Note 9 your name appears seven times in seven threads... Excluding the open thread where you explained how to root the Note 9 with an exploit.

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon) ROMs, Kernels,

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon) ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development

forum.xda-developers.com

About unlocking the bootloader of the US Note 9 in 2018 I was indeed confusing with the SD 9600 which is a Snapdragon but not for the US model... ^^
But if you go to this following thread OP, did say the US Note 9 could be unlocked with possibility to install TWRP and it was by May 6, 2020 even if the title mentioned N9600 !!!

[ROM] [Q] [N9600] Note 9 All Carriers [5FTK1] V8

This ROM is based on Samsung Note 9 TGY firmware and modded to allow full US carrier functions (volte, wifi-calling, etc.), but can be installed on any N9600 that meets the requirements below. Flash at your own risk! I am not responsible for any...

forum.xda-developers.com

Requirements:

• Must be on Android 10 firmware. I recommend that you be on 5FTK1 bootloader
• Must have klabit's official TWRP 3.4.0-0 installed

Instructions:

• Make a full TWRP backup!!
• Download ROM to phone from link below
• Download ODM to phone from link below ONLY if you're on a USA carrier
• Reboot to TWRP, select wipe and swipe to factory reset
• Install ODM if you're on a USA carrier
• Install ROM
• Reboot
• After setup, open rom control, open each tab in rom control and reboot SystemUI

*For SafetyNet to pass, you need to enable Magisk hide in Magisk manager settings


Downloads:

• ROM Krog_N9600_NoteRom_5FTK1_V8.zip or Gdrive link
• ODM Krog_N960U_USA_ODM_Q (For U.S. carriers only!!)

Magisk seems to work fine...

Then there is another and newer thread from afaneh92 (Nov 30, 2021) describing how to install TWRP on US Note 9 (using a paid service to unlock the bootloader is another subject and it doesn't matter)

[RECOVERY][UNOFFICIAL] TWRP for Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon)

Team Win Recovery Project 3.x, or twrp3 for short, is a custom recovery built with ease of use and customization in mind. Its a fully touch driven user interface no more volume rocker or power buttons to mash. The GUI is also fully XML driven and...

forum.xda-developers.com

Finally, you admitted you owned a "My S21U did have an unlocked BL"... So what should we think about your own words ???

In regard with my own International A528B phone I did the unlocked process and tried many times to install a custom AP file with Magisk but it didn't work as my phone enter into a bootloop process after flashing it via PC Odin. At last resort I relocked my phone and I was surprised to receive an OTA update which should be impossible if my phone was really unlocked !!! ^^

How can you explain this ??? lol

 

[Arobase40]

huh? I literally said the intl models are not the same as the usa models so any solutions for intl models will not work in this case which I cant tell if you agree or not as u indicate/acknowledge that they are not the same..

Where and when did I say Intl model and USA models are the same ???

You will find no post from me telling this !!!

 

[Arobase40]

Because this isnt your thread and the ops issue is completely different than your issue and US or intl model DOES matter because you are unlocked.. US model cant even get that far.. your issue is with not knowing how to root after your bl is unlocked.. ops issue ishe has a US model and cant unlock the bootloader at all.. talking about your issue confuses people with US models into thinking they can unlock their bl but they cant so two different issues...

First of all, when I posted a thread with a link on how to unhide the OEM toggle I said "Maybe you can try something like this ?" and nothing in the link mentions it was an International model !

And at present time nobody can certify my A528B phone is really unlocked as I was able to relocked it and I also received an OTA update which would be impossible if my phone was really unlocked !!!

That's why I said we are on the same boat... at present time... ^^

In regard with US bootloaders I gave demonstration it was possible to unlock some of them with different Samsung phones and I never said it was possible with all of them but sooner or later it is possible to unlock some of them whatever the process with or without paid services...

Ok, I'm now done with this discussion.

 

[elliwigy]

First of all I have to say English is not my native language so I can say things that can be misunderstood, but since now I don't think this is the case...

I never said or meant that US and International Samsung phone are the same or could be treated the same way nor did I said that ALL US phones could be unlocked, but as you said yourself : "A few variants were unlockable for a bit like tmo or sprint but for the most part for years and years us models havent been unlockable without exploits and even then a majority of said exploits were just for root (bootloader was still locked and not able to use TWRP.)"... ^^

Then it's hard to know when you participate into a discussion as moderator or not as you always use the same pseudo with the same status "elliwigy : Forum moderator /Recognized Dev / Dev Relations"... ^^
But when we go in the Snapdragon dev section for the Galaxy Note 9 your name appears seven times in seven threads... Excluding the open thread where you explained how to root the Note 9 with an exploit.

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon) ROMs, Kernels,

Samsung Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon) ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development

forum.xda-developers.com

About unlocking the bootloader of the US Note 9 in 2018 I was indeed confusing with the SD 9600 which is a Snapdragon but not for the US model... ^^
But if you go to this following thread OP, did say the US Note 9 could be unlocked with possibility to install TWRP and it was by May 6, 2020 even if the title mentioned N9600 !!!

[ROM] [Q] [N9600] Note 9 All Carriers [5FTK1] V8

This ROM is based on Samsung Note 9 TGY firmware and modded to allow full US carrier functions (volte, wifi-calling, etc.), but can be installed on any N9600 that meets the requirements below. Flash at your own risk! I am not responsible for any...

forum.xda-developers.com

Requirements:

• Must be on Android 10 firmware. I recommend that you be on 5FTK1 bootloader
• Must have klabit's official TWRP 3.4.0-0 installed

Instructions:

• Make a full TWRP backup!!
• Download ROM to phone from link below
• Download ODM to phone from link below ONLY if you're on a USA carrier
• Reboot to TWRP, select wipe and swipe to factory reset
• Install ODM if you're on a USA carrier
• Install ROM
• Reboot
• After setup, open rom control, open each tab in rom control and reboot SystemUI

*For SafetyNet to pass, you need to enable Magisk hide in Magisk manager settings


Downloads:

• ROM Krog_N9600_NoteRom_5FTK1_V8.zip or Gdrive link
• ODM Krog_N960U_USA_ODM_Q (For U.S. carriers only!!)

Magisk seems to work fine...

Then there is another and newer thread from afaneh92 (Nov 30, 2021) describing how to install TWRP on US Note 9 (using a paid service to unlock the bootloader is another subject and it doesn't matter)

[RECOVERY][UNOFFICIAL] TWRP for Galaxy Note 9 (Snapdragon)

Team Win Recovery Project 3.x, or twrp3 for short, is a custom recovery built with ease of use and customization in mind. Its a fully touch driven user interface no more volume rocker or power buttons to mash. The GUI is also fully XML driven and...

forum.xda-developers.com

Finally, you admitted you owned a "My S21U did have an unlocked BL"... So what should we think about your own words ???

In regard with my own International A528B phone I did the unlocked process and tried many times to install a custom AP file with Magisk but it didn't work as my phone enter into a bootloop process after flashing it via PC Odin. At last resort I relocked my phone and I was surprised to receive an OTA update which should be impossible if my phone was really unlocked !!! ^^

How can you explain this ??? lol

- My "pseudo" as you call it is a tag/status. I was a "recognized developer" before I became a forum moderator and before jpining the dev commitee. It is tags that every forum moderator receives so ppl can see who the mods are. I am still a developer. The way it is broken down is each device has its own set of moderators which you can usually find a list in each section usually its stickied forwhichever moderators can moderate that section i.e. I can moderate xiaomi forums but since I am not a mod for Samsung I cant moderate in Samsung forums. Rule of thumb though, if you see I have created a thread in say Samsung forum then that is me posting something I have developed or am developing i.e. N9 root method and obviously posting as a developer. You would know if I was posting as a moderator as it'd be saying something in regards to moderation i.e. cleaning a thread for bad language or off topic banter of which I would have deleted/removed comments or some sort of action or if responding to a reported post etc. etc. So it would be clear if I was posting as a moderator as I would make it clear.

- The snapdragon dev section in N9 forum is for all snapdragon models of the note 9. The N9600 is the Korean variant if I am not mistaken and is unlockable by default. The OP in this thread has a USA variant, I did not say all "snapdragon" models were the same. ai simply stated "US/Carrier Models" were not unlockable without a paid service. Since N9600 is not a US/Carrier model it is unlockable and is in that section because it has a Snapdragon chip in it therefore falls in the category of an international model that is unlockable by default and therefore unrelated to the discussion here. The korean variants typically end with a 0. Models that are not unlockable are typically ending with U, U1, or W i.e. N960U, N960U1 or N960W. Anything else is likely not a US/Can model and are typically unlockable by default.

- Afaneh is the other person that can unlock bl's using a paid service which I already stated. USA models can use twrp once they get paid service (given they arent updated to a firmware not able to be unlocked) to unlock the bootloader first. This is the ONLY way to unlock the bootloader. He also makes twrp builds for devices and clearly (as you also included in your link) he is clear that you need to use a paid service. As for that other twrp post I have no idea. Because someone posts in a Snapdragon section and isn't specific on which variants it is for is not against any specific rules. I can bet however without even looking at it you can likely read the comments and see people with US models saying it didnt work or asking how to unlock the BL because it wasnt possible. Typically in those threads the dev will indicate you need to unlock the bootloader first and US variants cannot unlock the BL therefore that TWRP wouldnt apply to them at all.

- As far as your issue, the fact that you could successfully flash custom firmware using ODIN tells me you were unlocked. On locked devices (i.e. US variants) ODIN would fail and device will say an error so they wouldnt even be able to get that far. Samsung always likes to be different in how android and root and stuff work. Sometimes magisk needs to be modified or tweaked to work and sometimes the install instructions vary by device. I cant help you there because I sold my N9 before was able to unlock the bootloader but can guarantee you are able to root your device since bl is unlocked you just have to find the right instructions and follow them to the T. I do not know the steps for your intl model so I cannot say why its bootlooping but I assume you are missing a step somewhere.

As for relocking and getting an OTA, it is possible even if you were still unlocked. OTA will not work however if anything is modified i.e. if you are rooted the ota will fail. Simply having an unlocked BL you can still get an OTA if you havent modified anything i.e. no twrp and no root and no modified rom etc.

 

[elliwigy]

First of all, when I posted a thread with a link on how to unhide the OEM toggle I said "Maybe you can try something like this ?" and nothing in the link mentions it was an International model !

And at present time nobody can certify my A528B phone is really unlocked as I was able to relocked it and I also received an OTA update which would be impossible if my phone was really unlocked !!!

That's why I said we are on the same boat... at present time... ^^

In regard with US bootloaders I gave demonstration it was possible to unlock some of them with different Samsung phones and I never said it was possible with all of them but sooner or later it is possible to unlock some of them whatever the process with or without paid services...

Ok, I'm now done with this discussion.

I said it was irrelevant because it will not work as usa models cannot unlock the BL. A lot of those sites will not list specific models and assume every model is the same andsometimes even use old pictures/instructions for super old devices and just create new pages. I bet most samsung sites like that all have same instructions word for word and only difference is the name of the device lol. I dont know why they do this but they obviously dont know what they are talking about,dont care or the page creation is somewhat automated but rule of thumb is us models cant unlock so you can assume those pages do not apply to us models.

Again, you can get an ota if unlocked and on complete stock firmware hence doesnt mean anything really. To add, just the fact alone you can toggle oem unlock and unlock your bootloader and were able to successfully flash a modified firmware in odin says you were unlocked as it would have failed in odin and not flashed anything. The fact that you bootlooped aftereards doesnt mean you werent unlocked, just means theres some steps you are missing or the files you used were no good. This also means you are NOT having the same issues. I dont know why its hard for you to understand that op cannot unlock his bl at all, doesnt even see the oem toggle (and never will) is the same as you who can see the oem toggle and can unlock bl and can flash modified firmware but bootloops afterwards as being the same issues.. OP can only hope his device isnt updated and can pay for paid service to unlock whereas you need to find proper instructions on rooting your device and to avoid a bootloop.. two completely separate issues.. You might have initially thought they were the same issue but that is why i clarified multiple times they are not the same issue at all and you even have a completely dif. variant than op does.. If you still think they are the same issue then i dont know what to tell you at that point and hopefully op realizes that he can only unlock with paid service and isnt confused as you are.

And yes, some us models were unlockable years ago.. In fact, I believe the S4 verizon models could unlock using an exploit on a certain firmware and verizon note 4 could unlock using an exploit turning it into a dev device but outside of that it has not been possible so if you are saying some could be unlocked going based off devices that came out years and years ago then sure. Recent years/devices though it has not been possible.

The paid service technically uses an exploit that creates a "token" that sets device to allow custom firmware to be flashed (essentially acts like an unlocked bootloader) but isnt unlocking the bootloader in a traditional sense at all so one could argue it isnt exactly the same (although result is the same.)