General I have an X90 Pro+ in the UK - AMA

[PILLS2389]

I can confirm that now, 5G works for me. Don't know why it didn't work on the first day and I got the message that it works only in China.

 

[extremecarver]

Everyone gets that message but it doesn't matter. It drains lots of battery in both China and abroad so no difference there.

 

[P6P]

I can confirm that now, 5G works for me. Don't know why it didn't work on the first day and I got the message that it works only in China.

Yep it worked perfectly for me since the first day I got it. Even battery drain is ok for 5g usage. My pixel 7 Pro was worse by a lot.

 

[Haskren]

When you say battery drain for 5g is bad, how bad compared to just 4g? Twice the drain?

 

[extremecarver]

Vivo X90 Pro+ far far away from being the best camera phone on the world's most famous smartphone camera review website:

Vivo X90 Pro+ - DXOMARK

Everything you need to know about the Smartphone Vivo X90 Pro+ 📱. From specifications to Pros & Cons and Scores, discover the Review by DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

10. Place equal with the vanilla pixel 7, behind Xiaomi 11s ultra.. only really strong on the Zoom lenses. Devastating autofocus and again as expected bad results on preview and still problems with color/white balance (well who hasn't got problems with white balance on the x90 series...,?)

 

[P6P]

Vivo X90 Pro+ far far away from being the best camera phone on the world's most famous smartphone camera review website:

Vivo X90 Pro+ - DXOMARK

Everything you need to know about the Smartphone Vivo X90 Pro+ 📱. From specifications to Pros & Cons and Scores, discover the Review by DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

10. Place equal with the vanilla pixel 7, behind Xiaomi 11s ultra.. only really strong on the Zoom lenses. Devastating autofocus and again as expected bad results on preview and still problems with color/white balance (well who hasn't got problems with white balance on the x90 series...,?)

Dxomark is the most stupid site I have ever seen. Their tests and ratings are crazy.

 

[vendetta17]

Vivo X90 Pro+ far far away from being the best camera phone on the world's most famous smartphone camera review website:

Vivo X90 Pro+ - DXOMARK

Everything you need to know about the Smartphone Vivo X90 Pro+ 📱. From specifications to Pros & Cons and Scores, discover the Review by DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

10. Place equal with the vanilla pixel 7, behind Xiaomi 11s ultra.. only really strong on the Zoom lenses. Devastating autofocus and again as expected bad results on preview and still problems with color/white balance (well who hasn't got problems with white balance on the x90 series...,?)

Nobody cares about DXOMark nowadays . Everybody knows they promote different brands . We all know Vivo its definitely a top 3 camera phone . Thanks anyway .

 

[vendetta17]

By the way , Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra ( 2 and a half years old model ) its rated higher than the X90 pro + . That says it all .

 

[jericho246]

By the way , Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra ( 2 and a half years old model ) its rated higher than the X90 pro + . That says it all .

Mi 11 Ultra had really good cameras (I had it) but in my opinion the Vivo X90 Pro+ is just better. Anyway, people take the DXomark ratings too seriously, it's like benchmarking but for cameras. It doesn't really matter in real world scenarios.

 

[P6P]

Mi 11 Ultra had really good cameras (I had it) but in my opinion the Vivo X90 Pro+ is just better. Anyway, people take the DXomark ratings too seriously, it's like benchmarking but for cameras. It doesn't really matter in real world scenarios.

Sad part is people believe in this nonsense.

 

[vendetta17]

Mi 11 Ultra had really good cameras (I had it) but in my opinion the Vivo X90 Pro+ is just better. Anyway, people take the DXomark ratings too seriously, it's like benchmarking but for cameras. It doesn't really matter in real world scenarios.

I had it too . It was a good phone but how can you rate it higher than x90 pro + ? We cant compare them.

 

[extremecarver]

Dxomark is the most stupid site I have ever seen. Their tests and ratings are crazy.

Well I definitely would not say so. Their testing is very standardized in their test cases, which are quite common examples, and that favours cameras that are good at snapshots. That's why they are cited virtually all over the world and so popular. Samsung isn't doing well either with dxomark protocol but I bet the s23 Ultra will get at around 145 points.

Of course had they switched to sports mode on the blurred pics it would have scored 1-2 points higher. Had they switched to xxx mode... They use exactly two modes, auto and portrait. If auto has scene detection they will use it too.
The shutter lag vs Pixel and Iphone is huge. Try shooting your dog or your children in auto mode with the x90pro+. Won't give good results. Need to switch to sports mode but still suffer from shutter lag.
Vivo would really need to include a scene detection mode for scoring higher on dxomark.


And yeah the more I use the x90 pro+ the more it is apparent that it simply messes up badly in auto mode in many many scenarios. Also the missing variable aperture means it sucks outright for group shots or other shote where you don't want bokeh.
It's a top 3 camera when it comes to manual modes but the auto modes are simply not up their game. It has two color modes which both fail.. it's the best camera for portraits that you rework in Photoshop, and the zoom lenses work great at night in comparison to other phones. But then that still means colors all over the spectrum.

For specific use cases it's clearly the best smartphone camera, but as a every day camera for snapshots it's not up with the best. The software is simply way behind google, apple and Huawei/honor.

They haven't even tested yet the selfie camera which will not make it into the top20 I estimate. The video score was worst in top20 (sharing that spot with her x80 pro).

But yeah it was a bit unfortunate that right now they included a colored person in their reviews. Because if they did it with an Asian person, especially female the AI works much better. Vivo is the best example how good hardware doesn't suffice, but yeah same is true of course for any BBK phone.


The problem is, the x90 Pro+ will mess up far too many shots badly if you just hand it to a stranger. I tested that the last few days. My girlfriend has an iphone 13 pro. When we gave both of our phones to strangers asking them to take a picture of us, in 3 out of 4 cases the picture from her 13 pro was much better than from my x90pro+. The X90 pro+ camera simply is bad in auto mode but even if you know how to use it has quite some apparent flaws (e.g depth of field if not wanted and autofocus failing frequently on the 1" sensor - both problems that seem to be inherent to the 989 because Xiaomi is fighting with exactly the same problems).

 

[extremecarver]

Yeah still waiting for a full review of the phone by one of the top 2 review websites (not for camera but phones in general) which for me are clearly GSMArena and notebookcheck. But I can guess the results already...

Because when it comes to camera we now have the reviews or mentions in from the most well known reviewers like mkbhd (he had it already and just quickly mentioned it, didn't make it into his top smartphone list), xioabai (didn't win much lost the main categories to Xiaomi, Huawei, Google,..) Danny Winget and so on...
And I hope the white balance can still be fixed in future updates, hopefully even the autofocus improved..but vivo's track record on updates isn't too great.... It's not like google where you can actually expect significant improvement with each new gcam also on older models (and yeah while new they have been quite buggy at google lately, especially pixel 6...)

 

[Haskren]

From the DXO review of the x90 pro+:

So they say the noise level of the vivo is higher (but controlled) than the x80 and even the samsung and go onto show pictures showing the opposite.....

 

[extremecarver]

From the DXO review of the x90 pro+:

So they say the noise level of the vivo is higher (but controlled) than the x80 and even the samsung and go onto show pictures showing the opposite.....

They just got the text wrong here. It scores well above the X80 pro and S22U. Noise, texture and artifacts are the categories the X90 Pro+ was nearly top. Zoom too.

Autofocus it failed badly, understandably as it's too slow and then cannot detect moving objects and switch to another mode on them or for the whole picture (Pixel 7 axes this). Preview lacks dynamic range - yeah preview is better than the competition in dark light but that's not part of the test. In the test they do it's clear the X90 pro plus fails and during the day that's quite obvious in real life.

Bokeh will default to the 2x camera because it's tested in portrait mode. Now the 2x camera isn't great and the bokeh on it is all AI. 70/80 is just right as a rating. They don't test bokeh on the main lens in their protocol.

The ultra wide camera sensor is also not as good as on some other flagships, rating just right. Also it loses out a bit here because it's starting at 14 not 12 degrees.

The Tele gets 1 point less than the same sensor on the honor. That's better than I expected as honor is more consistent with color and exposure.

Color and exposure, I actually wondered that it didn't score even lower as vivo simply has a lot to improve there in difficult situations.


And yeah it really did bad in the video score, understandably though I expected even worse here and that with the autofocus and preview dragged down it's score.

Autofocus and preview are also what makes the phone a bad snapshot camera.

It scored first place in the pixel peeping photo scores combined. it's exactly my criticism on the camera all along. colors, exposure can mostly be improved in Photoshop and Co.. details, noise and texture are up with the best. It's the best camera for photos if you know how to use it well, be willing to edit all pics afterwards and not shoot moving objects. It's clearly not great as a point and shoot camera.


The 1 inch sensor without variable aperture simply isn't a net positive, it's just a bit different. Autofocus is of course also much harder the bigger the sensor.


Vivo has to include a scene detection mode to introduce zero shutter lag when needed and or motion unblur like google on pixel 7, fix their colors and exposure to offer good pictures without editing afterwards (something between vivid and Zeiss), and heavily improve the video section which only has good stabilization. Seeing the track record on older models and updates it's highly unlikely it will become a camera that can win in tests that value snapshot performance. The mari silicon/vivo x2 chip fails to show any value so far IMHO. Huge discrepancy to google tensor which isn't flagship level on performance but really improves stuff on the camera as well as features like live translate.


A lot of this surely has to do with training the AI. Google and apple spent much more time and money on it. Huawei/Honor started much earlier too and that's why the ace the tests on dxomark. They got what it takes for just point and shoot. Just throwing money on the sensors isn't enough. The more pixels the more work for the ISP... Let's see how and if Samsung can solve it on their 200MP sensor. Samsung did poorly to since they switched to high resolution/large size sensors on dxomark after dominating until 5 years ago.

 

[PILLS2389]

I don't care what DXO and extremecarver say, If DXO say Vivo X90 PRO+ is in 10'th position, then I think they should re-review the others phones, and extremecarver is a well known hater / troll around here of this phone.

What I can say is:
1. During the day (ideal conditions), they all take great pictures, the differences are too small.
2. What makes difference for me, would be during sunrise / sunset, lower light scenarions, where I think the Vivo is better.
3. Yes, the pictures of moving subjects are blurry 80% of the time with the Vivo on Auto mode, I think / hope they can improve this, I mean they have to modify the post process algorithm, for example photos taken on my Huawei are blurry if I quickly go and see the photos I just taken, but then they change, they are not blurry anymore, because the Huawei was still processing the photo.
4. Yes, they need to impprove the Auto mode, to recognise different scenarios.

 

[vendetta17]

I don't care what DXO and extremecarver say, If DXO say Vivo X90 PRO+ is in 10'th position, then I think they should re-review the others phones, and extremecarver is a well known hater / troll around here of this phone.

What I can say is:
1. During the day (ideal conditions), they all take great pictures, the differences are too small.
2. What makes difference for me, would be during sunrise / sunset, lower light scenarions, where I think the Vivo is better.
3. Yes, the pictures of moving subjects are blurry 80% of the time with the Vivo on Auto mode, I think / hope they can improve this, I mean they have to modify the post process algorithm, for example photos taken on my Huawei are blurry if I quickly go and see the photos I just taken, but then they change, they are not blurry anymore, because the Huawei was still processing the photo.
4. Yes, they need to impprove the Auto mode, to recognise different scenarios.

I second this . Everybody knows extremecarver its hating the x90 pro + like crazy . I havent read a single positive thing by him on the phone . So , well ...his opinion its useless , just like DXOMARK. And im not saying it because its 10th place on their charts . I mean they got mi 11 Ultra ranked higher ( almost 3 years old phone ). And that's the end of the argument . That website its a joke who promote Huawei and Honor brands like crazy . If huawei releases a 200 $ phone it will fly straight into DXO top 10 .

 

[extremecarver]

10. Place is wrong overall, but not for their test protocol. Full auto besides clicking on portrait mode or clicking on an object for focus and using 4k30fps for video and zooming but nothing else - then 10. place is justified.

Though I do think magic 4 ultimate overall is better no way how you spin it. Pixel 7 pro simply is the best camera bare none for full auto, actually in general use even better than magic 4 ultimate. It's just that I don't see how the X90 pro plus camera wise can be a match for it, while vs the Pixel 7 pro it is a match depending on use case.
But then Honor sadly hasn't got the software stability and update frequency/quality of the Huawei before sanctions.

If I would rate the camera as in possibility to get great shots with a lot of work and taking pictures intelligently then I do see the x90pro+ overall best besides the magic 4 ultimate. They do have the best sensors and optics overall right now.

It would be interesting to see the vivo X90 pro plus in a blind test like this one against P7pro and magic 4 ultimate (because any blind test for the snapshot fraction will be one by P7 pro anyhow) - which is aimed more at ambitious photographers and not full on auto:

 

[Vinzie]

I have both the Mi 11 Ultra and Vivo X90 pro+. The Vivo makes much better photo's IMHO. Especially in low light situations. I don't use video that much, but during the day the Vivo's video performance is just fine for me.. I'm really surprised the DXOMark score is that low...

 

[Haskren]

Right. Moving subjects turning out blurry is due to the shutterspeed being low.
This is correct for low light scenarios. The only way to keep the shutterspeed high and freeze movement in low light with correct exposure is to increase the iso (which I think is what sport mode does) but this introduces more noise. I prefer cleaner images than a default high iso.
Does the Vivo use a low shutterspeed in daylight? That would be extremely unusual, as the camera would need to stop down with a fast shutterspeed in order to prevent over-exposure. This is particularly true for cameras without a variable aperture.

Overall I'm not put off by these concerns. I'm a photographer and used to shallow depth of field and taking full control of the camera rather than leaving all on auto. With that effort, Vivo seems to be the phone that can produce the best pictures at the moment.