General [Info] Galaxy S23 Ultra
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The DSLR is capable of "stacked" shots. The varied exposures are then combined in post processing. My old pro cam could bracket shoot up to 7 images with full user control over exposure setting/range, iso, shutter speed and/or aperture. I took numerous low light shots over 12-17 years ago. Many were people.
This is a more recent Canon release. It's a beast.
This is a more recent Canon release. It's a beast.
Im aware, we where talking about single frame, and merging frames on dslrs is not a 1 click solution
Had it in 2008...
The EOS models had it for years before that.
If you can spend thousands of dollars on a pro cam and L lens, nothing will touch it. Mirroring dual flashcards has been an option for around 2 decades. A pro system is an absolute joy to shoot with... smartphones are not.
For a smartphone cam the S23U is maybe as good as it gets. No expandable storage though is a huge liability. The high internal memory models will be expensive and will be in short supply as is normal. Even 1tb of internal memory isn't as functional as a 1tb V30 or 60 SD card. First time you lose access to internal memory will graphically illustrate this. Kiss all your unbacked up data goodbye. Thank Samsung for that... I did.
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Oh didn't know that nice, still the original point was single frame vs smartphone with stacks, i have no doubt that if an DSLR stacks frames it will win the smartphone.
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you missed a very important point : subjectivity .
Yes in a objective way, DSLR are way better, but who is watching pictures?
99% of people who don't know **** about photography, and simply enjoy the pictures driven by their emotions. And most of the time , through their smartphone, which is not a professional screen.
In that way, smartphone win the battle .
Professional photographer still have their place, don't get me wrong ; mainly for business, color accuracy, commercials, scene accuracy, high definition picture with accurate color and contrast, etc.
"There's a sucker born every minute", maybe PT Barnum said this first, but he did say this first: "Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public." Sammy should have took quote that to heart. Removing expandable storage from their flagships; that one chintzy move cost Samsung a lot more than they saved.
Binning a 12-25 mp sensor vs a 108-200 mp sensor likey would have yielded better images.
Maybe Samsung sensor micro-lens are crap to begin with so they tried to shirt that deficiency by increasing the number. More pixels yield a poorer quality sample per pixel as it actually decreases available light sensor surface area. If they were using one photon avalanche diodes it be a much different story...
Not so fast. Time will tell but there's not much new innovation in this new flagship. Changed the shell just enough so the S22U cases won't fit
SOT still sucks for a 5000 mAh battery or are getting 13+ hrs SOT?
Why so passive aggressive? Nobody expected much innovation, besides some smaller gripes it's already the best of the best. They didn't change the shell, the cameras simply need more space, and the battery life is trading blows with the iPhone 14 Pro Max. Thicker than the iPhone but WAY more ergonomic to hold and use and it weights less than it, also your so-so display/ bezel ratio makes no sense, it was already really good on the S22 Ultra. I guess some people just want to complain.Not so fast. Time will tell but there's not much new innovation in this new flagship. Changed the shell just enough so the S22U cases won't fit
SOT still sucks for a 5000 mAh battery or are getting 13+ hrs SOT?
Oh yeah, my gripes: You don't get a 10-bit screen, not a dealbreaker but kinda sad, only 8 GB of RAM for the base model and still not aptX HD and alike. Besides that, there's nothing to really complain about. Don't want a thick and heavy phone? Neither a 14 Pro Max nor a S23 Ultra are for you
Simple, zero incentive (no expandable storage) to upgrade from the N10+.
That holds even more true if you own the N20U.
SOT is suffering on the N20U though as is form factor.
After those 2 generations Samsung went into a flat spin.
Most of this space and the insane 30gm of weight is battery. This ancient N10+ gets better SOT even with a smaller degraded battery. Jamming a bigger battery in and getting worse SOT is not innovation or even breaking even.
The N10+ has the best bezel/display ratio, is 1mm thinner, 30gms lighter with better SOT.
Min memory is 256/12gb with up to 1tb of V30 supported expandable storage. Meh... and better color calibration, less side view color shifting.
As for bit depth, the variable refresh rate displays are next to impossible to color calibrate now. Not sure how much difference it would make and could most users even see it? Most have relatively poor color perception compared to those in the top 5%.
An upgrade means an upgrade... like supported 2tb expandable storage and better display color accuracy/calibration. A larger battery is a liability particularly if it gets less SOT per mAh! The higher efficiency ram and SOC aren't worth much in normal day to day usage without it. It's a question of balance, form factor and functionality. Samsung has degraded in all of those respects for 4 generations of flagships now, unfortunately.
Samsung now excels in making excuses. Try walking the walk instead talking hype... Sammy.
I'm sure if you limit yourself to 60 Hertz and Light Performance Mode you can easily surpass the Note 10+ in battery life. 120 Hertz draws a lot more power, but it's VERY noticeable. Is it as good as the Note 10+ in that regard? Maybe not, but the feel of both phones is quite different. Also the chips used are not even close to comparable anymore, the performance difference is quite a lot and for that, the sligh hit in efficiency is expected. This is arguably the currently best Android phone, no clue why you say "Try walking the walk instead talking hype", they did deliver a lot, with no big downside. It just sounds like you're trying to convince yourself you're still good with your Note 10+ (which you are), but you talk down this phone despite it being really damn good and easily the best Samsung phone in quite some time.
For one Samsung should use a fixed 90 or 120hz display. At least it could be accurately color calibrated throughout its much of its brightness range. So far the variable refresh rate displays haven't produce the cake you can eat and still have it. Hype? Seems so.
If I'm doing low demand tasks like surfing with Brave I expect to see 6%@hr SOT at 30-40% brightness with 4100 mAh actual battery capacity. I see similar yields when watching stored movies as well. 1tb of expandable storage can hold a lot of data that's always available.
Higher refresh rates aren't of use for these activities.
The thermal capacity (square inches of heat sink) of the N23U or any of the others hasn't increased much. However the thermal load has increased significantly as witnessed by the higher mAh consumption of these devices. A cooler running phone is better especially when the ambient air temperature is 95F or higher.
A bigger battery only increases that thermal loading. The higher running temperatures puts added stress on all the electronics. Flash memory retainment is adversely effected as well by higher temperatures. Another reason a dual drive makes sense for critical data preservation as SD cards are more isolated from the SOC heat. 2 drives are always better than 1 if used correctly.
The improvement trade offs simple aren't worth the penalties which is why I will continue to use the N10+'s. More importantly the simple fact they fulfill their mission and are still fun to use.
The only repair has been a battery. This load will be 3yo in June, still fast and stable. Less down time means more fun time. Running on Pie and Q means no scoped storage overhead or headaches.
Both phones have long been paid for and my unlimited 4G data plan is grandfathered. 5G would break that plan if used... and I download/use a lot of data. Most downloads are site limited rather than limited by my 4G bandwidth. Gmail is the only cloud app I use.
Don't play any games that even begin to use the full potential of this phone. I have a good level of balance/functionality as is and in the best form factor Samsung ever released. It's still snappy fast even by today's standards and will easily out run any new midrange Samsung. These are some of the reasons people continue to use and buy this phone.
So, I tried to compare the Note 10+ and S23 Ultra some more. In tests the S23 Ultra had even better battery life, a better more color accurate screen (with no color inaccuracies as you mentioned, which my Zenfone 8 definitely had, not using LTPO unlike the S23 Ultra), lots more screen brightness, better speakers, obviously better cameras and more. You don't get a microSD slot anymore but if you're that desperate for more memory, either get a bigger storage version or a small USB-C drive, both work well. You complain about the phone but compare it to other modern phones too, NOTHING comes even close. A bunch of your claims are just wrong and I really have no clue why you are so stuck on bashing this device.
I compared the main camera of the s22 ultra in 100 Megapixels mode and the s23 ultra in 200 Megapixels mode. Here's what I got:
1. In reality, my bulb is yellow, not white like the s23 shot.
2. In reality, my pillow is dark purple and my plaid is white, not green like the s23 ultra shot.
3. In reality, my dumbbell is dark red, not bright red like the s23 ultra shot.
98% of my photos are better on the s22 ultra. Perhaps the s23 is worse than the s22? Or is there a way to fix this?
1. In reality, my bulb is yellow, not white like the s23 shot.
2. In reality, my pillow is dark purple and my plaid is white, not green like the s23 ultra shot.
3. In reality, my dumbbell is dark red, not bright red like the s23 ultra shot.
98% of my photos are better on the s22 ultra. Perhaps the s23 is worse than the s22? Or is there a way to fix this?
I would agree that presently colours (and sometimes exposure) can be a bit off on my S23U as well....
I found it difficult to reproduce it, though - it happens in some scenarios and others are just fine and so far I have not been able to find the triggers....
As my GCam tests are showing a very similar behaviour (without colour corrections) I would assume this is indeed in the lower layers of the camera software (=Camera API or even the drivers) and I would hope Samsung fixes this.
Btw my device does not show this generic green tint that your device appears to have
I found it difficult to reproduce it, though - it happens in some scenarios and others are just fine and so far I have not been able to find the triggers....
As my GCam tests are showing a very similar behaviour (without colour corrections) I would assume this is indeed in the lower layers of the camera software (=Camera API or even the drivers) and I would hope Samsung fixes this.
Btw my device does not show this generic green tint that your device appears to have
What is the region of your phone? My region Vietnam xxv.I would agree that presently colours (and sometimes exposure) can be a bit off on my S23U as well....
I found it difficult to reproduce it, though - it happens in some scenarios and others are just fine and so far I have not been able to find the triggers....
As my GCam tests are showing a very similar behaviour (without colour corrections) I would assume this is indeed in the lower layers of the camera software (=Camera API or even the drivers) and I would hope Samsung fixes this.
Btw my device does not show this generic green tint that your device appears to have
Do you have an S22 ultra? How did you determine that you don't have a green tint? If you don't compare it to the S22 Ultra, the green tint is hard to see.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.32
Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
