Is there some secret way to hack or bypass Knox without triggering it?

[winol]

No I have a Knox checker it says Knox is valid and see linux is in permissive. I'm on a att n950U but my stock recovery is for a n950X but I can load it and be rooted . I assume all v3 samfails are same.

Do your secure folder and samsung pay work? Or is it only a cosmetic appearance?, maybe I am not getting your post right

 

[smokeyb4201]

My secure folder works fine

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Not sure about pay I always uninstalled it I don't trust my info on rooted phone anyway lol

 

[sefrcoko]

What I meant was if rooting could be done undetected by Knox, essentially does that mean Knox has... failed?

I don't think so, because the Snapdragon bootloaders are still locked even when rooted. I think that's why Knox isn't triggered, unlike Exynos where you can flash custom recovery which triggers Knox. I'm not an expert though

 

[Alek7]

I don't think so, because the Snapdragon bootloaders are still locked even when rooted. I think that's why Knox isn't triggered, unlike Exynos where you can flash custom recovery which triggers Knox. I'm not an expert though

Exactly, Knox will be immediately tripped then a modification of the boot partition is made (for TWRP installation for example)
Since the bootloader is locked on US variants, you should'nt be able to trig the Knox counter "easily" like on the others variants, because you can't modify the boot partition

 

[me2151]

FRP is easily bypassed without tripping knox. Im not going into details because of legal issues but all you need is a special firmware.

 

[Voidity]

I don't think so, because the Snapdragon bootloaders are still locked even when rooted. I think that's why Knox isn't triggered, unlike Exynos where you can flash custom recovery which triggers Knox. I'm not an expert though

Exactly, Knox will be immediately tripped then a modification of the boot partition is made (for TWRP installation for example)
Since the bootloader is locked on US variants, you should'nt be able to trig the Knox counter "easily" like on the others variants, because you can't modify the boot partition

Well then... What does this mean in terms of security provided by Knox?? Would this, and everything that this could lead to, compromise whatever Knox is trying to protect?
I'm pretty confused since I have no knowledge of how all this works.

FRP is easily bypassed without tripping knox. Im not going into details because of legal issues but all you need is a special firmware.

Yea. I realized that FRP could be bypassed after I did some quick googling. For me I think the steps are pretty troublesome.

 

[bbbobbbo]

Congratulations to the OP, now this is a very good thread as many would like to be reassured Samsung and Google have put all their efforts into combating theft crime.

I have had phones stolen in the past, and now I have a Note 8 running Oreo, with biometrics and password protected (kind of paranoid, but hey, been there before), and I would like to be absolutely sure that a potential thief will be left with only a brick, so they'd be discouraged to steal in the future.

Now, with all that FRP bypassing, I'm not so sure anymore...

 

[winol]

Some here are getting somthings wrong, every safety meassure can be cracked, (at least for common devices) the important thing is in reality is, that the user or owner can be aware that the system has been tampered or compromised

 

[ultramag69]

I think there is some confusion here as to what is going on...
Yes the lock screen and google accounts can be bypassed and reset, however this means that the phone will need to be set back to factory and have data partition formatted...
As for Knox, that's a whole different kettle of fish...
If you wish to bypass Knox by rooting the phone you will find it impossible to access the secure folder as that is encrypted so anything in there is safe as it won't be retrievable.
Yes you can fool the phone into thinking it doesn't have Knox tripped (this will also show Knox Warranty Void 0x0 on the bootloader) but this requires a custom kernel with the hack thus needing a data wipe after reset and is only a cosmetic thing...
The least secure part of your storage is the external sd card. If you use encryption on this then you won't be able to retrieve it if the phone is reset but then again if the phone is stolen and you lock it with your google account nothing will be handed over to a 3rd party either...

 

[Casper Young]

Whenevr you do something to the device such as Root or install a custom ROM you're bound to trip Knox. However there is a way to reset it. Use a Knox cleaner that is specific for the device.

 

[wishinew]

OP, you've raised a few different issues here...password unlocking and Knox...

Knox can't be reversed once tripped, period. Fuse-based or something similar to that anyway, no way to undo that.

Breaking lock screen passwords in another matter entirely...I'm sure you could Google that but I don't think it's appropriate for discussion here.

sorry not picking on you..just picked your reply as a general response starting place..

Ok..Knox can totally be tripped and reversed.. I've seen it done with my own eyes..Case #1.. rent- a center phone.. recently i bought a bunch of good wills bag or phone deals in Utah and i have in front of me some top end phones that are locked.. it just so happens one turned out to be from my area(i travel to buy lol)
Anyways i TRAVEL TO THE LOCAL RENTA CANTER AND ASK THEM ABOUT THE PHONE.. they Demanded I return it and called the police when I refused.. Mind you I've all ready been messing with the phone to see what i could do my self before showing up to the store.

Well, when the police arrive they demand the phone and hand it over and they're acting like I stole it until I produce receipts for them and that one.. the call the store in Utah and it just so happens to be the main one with the local big wigs in their offices for that state.. and they confirm that I indeed did buy them..

The police then ASK ME what I'm trying to accomplish and so I show them the lock and said since I bought it legally that they should remove their software.. and the police agreed and asked the manager to have it removed.. manager left for a second and returned with a little rectangular box and placed the phone on it and plugged in a usb to the phone and the computer and typed for about a minute and the phone went in to reset..top said knox tripped ..fuse something and fuse something.. frp lock went from locked to unlocked.. and it reset into download mode.. and it did something and said when it reset "are you sure you want to uninstall KNOX CLOUD SECURITY" he hit a key.. phone did something shut off and came back on and said welcome to team mobile.. setup.. no google setup....

So I got to digging and ran across the web site for know and MDM install and implatashion.. and it had all sorts of how to remove ..remote..know this and that.. still reading it.. id link it ..but only if an admin says its ok.. maybe it's new maybe its not.