General Latest camera update reduces wide angle lens FOV by 15%

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damian5000

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Yes. See the comparison images above. Those were shot with the two different versions. I uninstalled the camera update and goes back to .6. (see image below). For me it's very disappointing. Is it life changing? No, but it is a large difference and narrows the gap between the regular camera and the wide. I guess I'll just stay on old version of camera... Laaaaame. If you're interested, try uninstalling camera updates and see if you get .6

 
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damian5000

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i am still on 8.5 android 12 and i see 0.7x. As a matter of fact i remember it always being at 0.7x since i got my pixel last month.

Are you sure it was at 0.6 at some point

Just updated to A13 Stable and got the update to Google Camera 8.6. Still have 0.7 showing and no reduction of the FOV. Must be a Beta thing
.6 is what it was on Android 12 stable, 13 Beta and 13 stable. It's the newer camera app, nothing to do with android version.

.7 is reduced FOV, you're losing 15% if shows .7
 

damian5000

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Pixel 6a. What saying is you're losing 15% from what the FOV of the camera should/could be. If never had .6 then never had the camera app which gave the full FOV, which possibly the 6 and 6 pro never had a camera version with .6. Have you tried uninstalling all updates to Camera yet?
 
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damian5000

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Anyone interested to try for .6, I've exported my APK. You'll have to uninstall your current version in Play store and whatever version it reverts to probably needs to be older than or equal to 8.5


Will be there for 30 days
 

tom1807

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Pixel 6a. What I'm telling you is you're losing 15% from what the FOV of the camera should/could be. If you never had .6 then you never had the camera app which gave the full FOV, which possibly the 6 and 6 pro never had a camera version with .6. Have you tried uninstalling all updates to Camera yet?
Then maybe this is a topic for Pixel 6a. Here is the Pixel 6 topic.
I am not disputing that you have that issue, just it's not happening on Pixel 6.

Cheers
Tom
 

damian5000

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It's already happening on Pixel 6. You have a wide-angle camera shooting at .7 when it's capable of .6

They are the same wide angle camera. I'm guessing you haven't actually tried to uninstall your camera updates nor tried to install the APK I uploaded...??

I will post over there as well, thanks for link to 6a forum.
 

tom1807

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Umm, that was like that already from the beginning. Always 0.7.
What makes you think the Pixel 6 camera is capable of 0.6?
Even I try to manually zoom out, it stops at 0.7.
The wide angle FOV is the the same of 114°, but the Pixel 6 has a standard FOV of 82°, while the 6a has a standard FOV of 77°.

And yes, I compared yesterday with an object in A12 and camera v8.5 and today with A13 and the update to v8.6 on the same object. No difference.
Maybe previously you didn't have wide-angle FOV of 114° with the Pixel 6a.

Cheers
Tom
 

damian5000

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Edit: after all this, it does seem can zoom out with the new version. Starts at .7 but can zoom out to .6. Weird
 
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bobbarker2

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Weird your version is 8.5.200.429413596.06 and I reverted to stock and mine is 8.5.300. 8.5.200 isn't available on apkmirror.

In any case, I installed Open Camera and switched it to use Camera API2, it can only zoom down to .68 which is the same image as the Google Camera's .7 can capture. I tried several other camera apps and same result.

i don't recall seeing a .6 FoV ever and I've had this phone since launch. I'm on June update of the P6. And I can't downgrade to your version to see if there's a difference.
 
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I can confirm the problem is real as posted by op. I have a p5a and since updating to a13 the ultra wide has gone from 0.6x to 0.7x. Now probably this is related to the app version and not to a13 itself but I can CONFIRM my p5a used to support 0.6x.
I uninstalled updates as op suggested and 0.6x did indeed come back.
Most phones in 2022 support 0.5x. 0.6x seems like the minimum a phone should support. But now with camera update, google decreasing it to even 0.7x doesn't make sense.
 

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my camera is on 8.3.252.3911 i don't think i ever updated it (because i don't care)and its .7

whatever that is worth -pixel6 global
 

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It's already happening on Pixel 6. You have a wide-angle camera shooting at .7 when it's capable of .6

They are the same wide angle camera. I'm guessing you haven't actually tried to uninstall your camera updates nor tried to install the APK I uploaded...??

I will post over there as well, thanks for link to 6a forum.

Lets clear something up about the cameras on these things. They do NOT zoom to very exacting 1 decimal place.

This is on a pixel 6 pro, but similar idea should apply to ALL;

Code:
adb shell dumpsys media.camera | grep zoom -A1
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [0.67044258 20.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [0.84999305 10.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [1.00000000 10.00000000 ]
--
      android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
        [1.00000000 10.00000000 ]
--
        android.control.zoomRatio (1002f): float[1]
          [1.00000000 ]
--
        android.control.zoomRatio (1002f): float[1]
          [1.00000000 ]

Now as you can see, the minimum zoom ratio on one of the cameras is "0.67044258", which is in between 0.6 and 0.7. So depending on how the software wants to present it, it can ROUND it UP to 0.7 or ROUND it DOWN to 0.6.

The software choice of rounding has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what the actual minimum zoom level is.
 
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I'm running Android 13, but there doesn't appear to be any difference in the actual images between the cameras with the lastest updates applied and having them removed.

I will say that I did see a difference between what you see on the camera's screen and what the camera actually takes at certain times. The screen at the widest camera setting (which shows as "0.7x" both on the latest update and not) is not as wide as the actual camera ends up taking. I'm wondering if the people that have noticed this have simply been viewing the screen, or have actually compared images taken from before the "issue" appeared vs now. I suspect there is a bug that is preventing the preview screen from showing the actual wide angle camera coverage, but that the camera actually takes the correct wide image. However the camera always took the "wide" image even when the preview screen did not correctly show the widest view before taking the image.

Currently (after I reinstalled the camera updates), my screen and actual picture show the same field of view on the widest setting, but several times during this process of uninstalling the updates and reinstalling the updates, the two fields of view did not match and the screen showed a more narrow field of view. I even tried force stopping the camera and it did not change or fix this issue.

EDIT - I will also say that checking the meta data for the wide angle camera for images taken under Android 12 and now under Android 13 (with and without the camera updates installed) all show 2.35mm. Now it would be hard for me to reproduce wide angle images taken under Android 12 now that I am on Android 13 (because I wouldn't be standing in the exact spot to take the Android 13 images), but I suspect there really isn't any difference between the actual images. I think any visual differences are only occurring on the camera's preview screen.
 
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    Pixel 6a. What I'm telling you is you're losing 15% from what the FOV of the camera should/could be. If you never had .6 then you never had the camera app which gave the full FOV, which possibly the 6 and 6 pro never had a camera version with .6. Have you tried uninstalling all updates to Camera yet?
    Then maybe this is a topic for Pixel 6a. Here is the Pixel 6 topic.
    I am not disputing that you have that issue, just it's not happening on Pixel 6.

    Cheers
    Tom
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    In a big downgrade, the latest Google Camera reduced the wide angle from .6 down to .7 so we're getting about 15% less area.

    Comparison: https://ibb.co/Lr970jC

    Here's an approximation of how much is lost:
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    No, I never had 0.6 on A12, always 0.7. What Pixel are you using?

    Cheers
    Tom
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    It's already happening on Pixel 6. You have a wide-angle camera shooting at .7 when it's capable of .6

    They are the same wide angle camera. I'm guessing you haven't actually tried to uninstall your camera updates nor tried to install the APK I uploaded...??

    I will post over there as well, thanks for link to 6a forum.

    Lets clear something up about the cameras on these things. They do NOT zoom to very exacting 1 decimal place.

    This is on a pixel 6 pro, but similar idea should apply to ALL;

    Code:
    adb shell dumpsys media.camera | grep zoom -A1
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [0.67044258 20.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [1.00000000 20.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [0.84999305 10.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [1.00000000 10.00000000 ]
    --
          android.control.zoomRatioRange (1002e): float[2]
            [1.00000000 10.00000000 ]
    --
            android.control.zoomRatio (1002f): float[1]
              [1.00000000 ]
    --
            android.control.zoomRatio (1002f): float[1]
              [1.00000000 ]

    Now as you can see, the minimum zoom ratio on one of the cameras is "0.67044258", which is in between 0.6 and 0.7. So depending on how the software wants to present it, it can ROUND it UP to 0.7 or ROUND it DOWN to 0.6.

    The software choice of rounding has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what the actual minimum zoom level is.