Let people ask whatever they like!

[XtreMe_G]

if you have such a problem about ppl bashing the noob, then you should be helping the noobs themselves, instead of complaining here. There are plenty you can do to help noobies, first of course to directly answer their questions, second help add more articles to the wiki so the noobs are less inclined to ask a question in the first place. your complaining here, is as helpful and the noob bashing threads.

If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

 

[mchapman007]

View the post from this person (Noob). Looks like he has done some reading and was ready for the bashing to begin...

Quote: "yes I used google and the forum search function but I just wasnt able to find good forum like this."

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=377833

 

[j1ngles]

ceevee369,

You're missing the point here. There are people on this forum point-blankedly "n00b bashing" because they have sod all productive to add apart from re-iterating what every other smart arse who's been a member here for donkey's years knows already.

It pisses me off when looking at a valid and interesting post (including one that's been raised before) that it's get clogged with crap about how people should read previous threads etc..

If you don't want to read a post because it's been discussed before then move on, we all have choices for christ's sake....

 

[P1Tater]

Just another pointless thread.

 

[richierich]

I totally agree guys!

Now i'm no developer, but i remember being quite green to this forum myself so to see so many new users trying to get to grips with the winmo platform, to me is a good sign that this community is still growing.

Help them i say instead of being unnecessarily rude!

You never know, one of those same n00bs may actually go on to provide something useful someday!

RR

 

[Mikulec]

Just another pointless thread.

Man, you are late. I thought you will be the first one to respond to this thread.

 

[origins81]

Here! Here @ j1ngles. I'm still relatively new to the world of xda but NOT to computers and I have to agree with you. Noticed this from the first post, not even thread I made a couple of months back that there seems to be certain individuals who really have nothing to contribute or do with their free time and roam from thread to thread looking looking to flame noobs. It's funny cos some of the people that were responding didn't even know what a cdma network was but felt it relevant to make their opinion known.

It's people like that that make great forums such as xda bad and noobs afraid/ hesitate to even ask legitimate questions cos of fear of backlash. Heck that's how I ended up creating my signature so I guess something good came out of it anyways

 

[funy]

this is the sad thruth about internet message forums. see it everywhere

mostly inhabited by post count whores who dispise anyone new and instead of helping out flame n00bies because they didnt read through 1000s of posts to find a fix or something which could just put put into 1 line reply and it would be over.

and for the record until the switch to google forum search the search system on the site was utter rubbish and would bring up a million responses to any request and usually then it wasnt of any help. This isnt xda=devs fault its just vbulletin being stupid but glad they have made the switch.

 

[XtreMe_G]

i see that you think ppl should be allowed to post whatever they like, but DID YOU HAVE TO CREATE TWO POSTS ON THE SAME SUBJECT??? THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON PPL BASH NOOBIES FOR

like i said in the other thread......you pointless rant is as helpful as the noob bashing threads, as helpful but less amusing.

 

[paaaaaaaaaa]

I agree wholeheartedly. I see the same type of responses all over the internet in various different forums. I remember a long time ago when I was new to a forum and asked a silly question I was verbally beaten to a pulp, even the moderators joined in (wish I can remember what the question was now). Anyway I never returned to that forum again and urged others not to go there, eventually the forum got a bad name for itself and I do believe it has gone now.

I'm new here myself but generally I find this forum full of great characters, it's one of the finer forums on the net!!

 

[P1Tater]

YOU MORON

ok, now this is just freaking ridiculous. 2 posts in 2 different forums on the same topic.

YOU MY FRIEND ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON.

People bash n00b's not for asking questions, but for asking redundant ones and for posting new threads that are redundant as well. LIKE THIS ONE.

I wish someone would develop a program that would allow me to stab someone in the face over the internet, or at least let me remove their fingers to keep them from posting idiotic/redundant threads. You would be the first one I would beta test on.

 

[whk]

ceevee369,

You're missing the point here.
If you don't want to read a post because it's been discussed before then move on, we all have choices for christ's sake....

I understand your point - when many messages by new people begin with "Don't flame me but I have a question..." you get the idea that it is dangerous to post in a forum.

One thing that i have noticed in this forum more than any other that I frequent is how many people come here that want to change their phone slightly and are willing to do it and do NOT want to take the time to figure out what forum or what thread even to post in.

For example: a sticky on Kaiser tweak has a "How do I do..." question just posted in it that has nothing to do with Kaiser tweak. The persons seems to have no clue that if you post in an incorrect thread you are less likely to get a good answer than if you posted in a place where people are actually asking those questions.

I do see that even after reading voraciously and trying to search that you almost always have a lingering question - like - does this work on MY phone? Can i just change the radio or do i have to change then ROM as well? kind of thing and RARELY does what you read EXACTLY fit your question.

The other thing is that frequently there are several options in the posts that give directions: for example:
Windows Smart Phone cab: abcdfeg.cab
Windows CE Cab: abddlkj.cab
Special Dutty's Cab: sslkjjew.cab

And for the LIFE of me, I know I have a Tilt but NOWHERE has it EVER told me that it is a Smart Phone or CE etc. . . so I have to make a decision:
1. I am smart enough to figure this out and take a risk with my phone
2. I am not smart enough
a. ok - I can ask a question and get flamed
b. I will put up with the current unwanted behavior
After putting up with it for several days the user eventually comes back and at least gives a timid try at getting it fixed.

Once they realize that the flame is not painful and they can actually do this without their phone exploding or "bricking" they are so ecstatic that they become a "guru" themselves and spread the word about how wonderful this forum is and how helpful everyone is.

Read the AT&T forum for HTC phones - this forum is the hero of all that are there. And us newbies are spreading your gospel. This means even more (perish the thought!) noobies coming over here for a taste of your knowledge!

By the way - I am very greatful for all the help that I have received here personally.
Thanks
Bill

 

[j1ngles]

So Notatreofan in your world you would only ever have one mail to encompass any issue as not to pollute your search forum.

I only ever post a valid reply and as such this is the first time I have made a post like this maybe to stick up dfor the new guy a little.

What's the point of a forum you may as well just have a wiki for every possible subject.

As for pitater and mikulec, absolutely nothing useful but eh another notch for your post bedpost!

 

[Guilf]

You're just dead wrong. This isn't a tech support site. This isn't AT&T's support site. This isn't a PPC beginner's site. This is a developer's site.

My Tilt is my first PPC. I came on here with an attitude of respect because so many were providing so many resources and asking for so little in return. I started out with an attitude similar to yours....help whenever possible. As such, I freaking read. I didn't HardSPL or flash a new ROM until I'd had my Tilt for over a month - because I wasn't ready and I didn't expect anyone to spoon feed me. Some of the noobs on here have run into trouble because they want to flash a ROM the second their new unit is charged for the first time. No delayed gratification - feel bad for their significant others...bet they're all premature ejaculators.

I've gone from knowing literally nothing to cooking my own personal ROMs just by searching and reading on this site. I've answered 20 times more questions than I've asked and I've never bashed a noob because I am one. However, even I am sick of seeing that same freaking questions asked constantly. I get that the Tilt has proliferated and people don't know a lot, but show some respect for people that have been here forever - follow the rules, learn the customs. I'm an American, but it's just like an American to expect the locals to fit your customs rather than the other way around. Perhaps we'd have a video driver if all the experts didn't have to spend their days answering the dumbest freaking questions on the face of the earth...What's the difference between the "E" and the "H" in my top bar? What's the best ROM out there? I lost my sound when I flashed the first hour after I got the thing and haven't read a single thread (PLEASE HELP!!). How about reading the manual? How about reading through the titles of one page of threads? Do you think there would be so many ROMs if there was one that was everything to everybody? I get that some of the threads have become unwieldly - but why do you think that is?

I'm a believer that this place should get far more restrictive about who should be able to post. Give every new member a quiz asking the most basic questions that can be found in 5 seconds. If you don't pass, you can't post. Start a newbie area where people like yourself (and me when I feel like it) can spend their time answering questions so the real developers can do work that benefits us all. That won't happen because the long-standing members are too patient and generous for their own goods. We should all be grateful. Part of that gratefulness is showing some respect and being an adult and finding your own answers to your own stupid questions whenever possible.


BTW - As for time. I own and run my own company. I have a live in girlfriend and a very active life. I have made time to figure these things out without losing anything else in my life. If you don't have time to read and learn, you shouldn't be messing with flashing and such. Get an iPhone. Your time is no more important than anyone else's here.

 

[Carty]

Jingles, you say you want the board to be clean and how many duplicate posts have you made with the same? Ive seen three already..

Sorry, Im not bashing you in any way. Just a suggestion.

Regards,
Carty..

 

[P1Tater]

IDIOT

nicely said guilf.

as for j1ngles - at least get my freaking name right you double poster of redundant $hit. Two new threads in 2 different forums? YOU ARE A MORON.

 

[ceevee369]

Did you ever stop to think that all the people with your point of view are the reason for the search function not being as productive as other sites? When someone doesn't search and just creates another redundant thread, they are directly responsible for polluting the search results.

As I have said before, I will no longer be bashing n00bs who fail to search before posting. Instead, I will transpose their question into Google, and reply back with a link to the search result they need to read. There is one exception to this; people who create 2 or more new threads (within 24 hours) asking the exact same question. That is just rude.

Yes... I did. If I do not find the answer here, I go shopping on other forums. if the answer can not be found there, i come back and I evaluate in which section - thread my Q might be noticed and easy to find for others in the future doing a search.

The "XDA etiquette" is something all newbies learn in time when spending some hours to read. Some sooner than later.Besides, the more this site becomes popular and known, the more you attract lesser experienced people who simply think that this is just another forum and drop a Q without thinking further not being aware that some knights with swinging swords are looking for a target making their day.

Said this, I still got no reply from anyone regarding my Q about the TytnII keyboard fix. I wait, and no, I will not even think of starting another thread polution .Only hoping it will be spotted giving a possible sanswer to many having the same issue.

 

[wizzzard]

I believe in the Carrot and Stick approach.
Dangle the Carrot by providing a usefull link and advice then beat the sh*t out of them with the Stick marked Search.

 

[Mikulec]

I believe in the Carrot and Stick approach.
Dangle the Carrot by providing a usefull link and advice then beat the sh*t out of them with the Stick marked Search.

a funny one.

 

[funy]

Jingles, you say you want the board to be clean and how many duplicate posts have you made with the same? Ive seen three already..

Sorry, Im not bashing you in any way. Just a suggestion.

Regards,
Carty..

simple answer to that, the mods could do their job rather than having a powertrip/flamefest.

say in a week or a fortnight you have 2 or 3 similar threads, close and prune the two newest posts or with least detail and simply put at the bottom, this has already been answered or whatever with a link to the post.