Let people ask whatever they like!
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NooBs, you are welcome here but understand that this is a "DEVELOPMENT FORUM" and as such you are expected to do a little work for your "Kewl bit of Kit". If you post a new thread 5 seconds after signing-up and it is closed within minutes don't post 10 more threads asking the same question or you will be labeled as a Serial Threader (which is a bannable offense).
All of the experienced members here will give you a "Hand Up" but rarely will you get a "Hand-Out" without gettting a good lashing from that same hand.
Don't go on a spree bashing the OP.
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NooBs, you are welcome here but understand that this is a "DEVELOPMENT FORUM" and as such you are expected to do a little work for your "Kewl bit of Kit". If you post a new thread 5 seconds after signing-up and it is closed within minutes don't post 10 more threads asking the same question or you will be labeled as a Serial Threader (which is a bannable offense).
All of the experienced members here will give you a "Hand Up" but rarely will you get a "Hand-Out" without gettting a good lashing from that same hand.
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1676I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.15All,
I've been a member of this forum for a few months now and am sincerely grateful for all the useful advice and help I have received. My own posting count is relatively low because I only try to help if I have something useful to say.
The one overriding post I tend to see these days is the idiot who likes bash the other users for not reading threads, doing searches etc. Now I actually have a full time job in the I.T industry, am pretty much computer savvy and enjoy tinkering with my phone when time allows. It seems to me some of the members here have far much too time on their hands and spend it endlessly trawling to give someone a mauling.
I wonder how many useful posts these people ever actually put in to the forum.
Now I agree that if you have the time to read all the relevant threads, do the searches etc you have a good chance of finding an answer. But there comes a time when some of these posts are just not feasible anymore. Dutty's rom post for 6.1 is a major epic these days and I for one don't have the time or inclination to scroll through all this especially when a whole load of it is just crap from people increasing their post count.
So my point is let people ask, especially the n00bs who probably don't realise the lambasting they're going to get. If you know the answer then reply, if you don't then shut up. That way the posts will get shorter and the idiots will get bored quicker.12Forum members, report redundent & unnecessary threads.
Don't go on a spree bashing the OP.
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NooBs, you are welcome here but understand that this is a "DEVELOPMENT FORUM" and as such you are expected to do a little work for your "Kewl bit of Kit". If you post a new thread 5 seconds after signing-up and it is closed within minutes don't post 10 more threads asking the same question or you will be labeled as a Serial Threader (which is a bannable offense).
All of the experienced members here will give you a "Hand Up" but rarely will you get a "Hand-Out" without gettting a good lashing from that same hand.
I think all that can be said here has been said so this thread will be closed.7You're just dead wrong. This isn't a tech support site. This isn't AT&T's support site. This isn't a PPC beginner's site. This is a developer's site.
My Tilt is my first PPC. I came on here with an attitude of respect because so many were providing so many resources and asking for so little in return. I started out with an attitude similar to yours....help whenever possible. As such, I freaking read. I didn't HardSPL or flash a new ROM until I'd had my Tilt for over a month - because I wasn't ready and I didn't expect anyone to spoon feed me. Some of the noobs on here have run into trouble because they want to flash a ROM the second their new unit is charged for the first time. No delayed gratification - feel bad for their significant others...bet they're all premature ejaculators.
I've gone from knowing literally nothing to cooking my own personal ROMs just by searching and reading on this site. I've answered 20 times more questions than I've asked and I've never bashed a noob because I am one. However, even I am sick of seeing that same freaking questions asked constantly. I get that the Tilt has proliferated and people don't know a lot, but show some respect for people that have been here forever - follow the rules, learn the customs. I'm an American, but it's just like an American to expect the locals to fit your customs rather than the other way around. Perhaps we'd have a video driver if all the experts didn't have to spend their days answering the dumbest freaking questions on the face of the earth...What's the difference between the "E" and the "H" in my top bar? What's the best ROM out there? I lost my sound when I flashed the first hour after I got the thing and haven't read a single thread (PLEASE HELP!!). How about reading the manual? How about reading through the titles of one page of threads? Do you think there would be so many ROMs if there was one that was everything to everybody? I get that some of the threads have become unwieldly - but why do you think that is?
I'm a believer that this place should get far more restrictive about who should be able to post. Give every new member a quiz asking the most basic questions that can be found in 5 seconds. If you don't pass, you can't post. Start a newbie area where people like yourself (and me when I feel like it) can spend their time answering questions so the real developers can do work that benefits us all. That won't happen because the long-standing members are too patient and generous for their own goods. We should all be grateful. Part of that gratefulness is showing some respect and being an adult and finding your own answers to your own stupid questions whenever possible.
BTW - As for time. I own and run my own company. I have a live in girlfriend and a very active life. I have made time to figure these things out without losing anything else in my life. If you don't have time to read and learn, you shouldn't be messing with flashing and such. Get an iPhone. Your time is no more important than anyone else's here.
