Lumia 1020 in 2020 ? What is working?

[fabjazz]

Hi !

I see a lot of Lumia 1020 on Ebay and I have a few questions that could help for a decision.
What is working now on this phone? (Email/contacts/calendar synchronisation, SMS/MMS, GPS, camera ...?)
What would happen if we do a factory reset ? Which apps remains?

Thanks in advance.

 

[jis.s]

Hi there.
I own a Nokia Lumia 1020, and I guess it owns me to this day as well. I guess nowadays phones are only going up in prices & looks, just like us - people.
I have to switch from Windows Phone to Android, finally last year - January 2019. I still am not able to forget it's shear awesomeness! I still keep it with me, I have tweaked it around 2017 and managed to run Windows 10 Mobile

It works at a quite basic smartphone level still. I have limited the phone to:
Windows 10 Phone Mobile
Version: 1511
OS build: 10.0.10586.107
Glance Screen: Works - completely.
Groove Music: Works - I listen to songs often.
WiFi: Works (I used Edge browser, Spotify - somehow it works partially)
Outlook Mail: Works.
Contacts: Works (I sometimes am having problem in deleting duplicate contacts, but that's some other issue I guess)
Calendar: Reminds me of Birthdays & Events, never used it more than that.
Telegram: Works
Here Maps, Here Drive: Works great!
Camera/Alarm: Works -just like they used to.
Calculator: Works - but it does not have currency conversion like Windows 10 for PC's have.
Gallery: Works and syncs, as of now.
Camera: Works! But is shi*ty, because it's Windows camera, I managed to skip installing Lumia Camera
SIM/SMS: Used to work, until, I messed up SIM Connector - now waiting to go home and work it out, after Corona lock-down eases in my place.
MMS: Might work, I never used MMS service.
News/Weather: Doesn't work! Open the app, it redirects to Windows Store - Windows Store says app already installed. This is never-ending loop. of sadness.
WhatsApp: It used to work before I went down to Windows Phone 8.1, then I can;t even download it from Windows Store. Looking for XAP file for it, just to read old conversations.

So, it is like - Very basic essential things actually still work.

I am actually looking to Install Android or Windows 10 (PC) or Ubuntu/some Linux.
Also, I have my WhatsApp backup - I don;t know what to do with it, as it is not usable with WhatsApp Android.

Thank you for passing by.

 

[jis.s]

I actually upgraded from Windows Phone 8.1 to Windows 10 Mobile, to use Instagram and other latest app available for Windows 10 Mobile. But since, nothing works now, I am actually thinking of just giving it a factory reset.
It will then come back to Windows 8.1 Mobile (after few updates, if they still work)

Shall I downgrade to Windows 8.1 in Lumia 1020? It might give me access to apps like Lumia Camera, Here Maps,etc. but other apps I don't know.

 

[fabjazz]

Shall I downgrade to Windows 8.1 in Lumia 1020? It might give me access to apps like Lumia Camera, Here Maps,etc. but other apps I don't know.[/QUOTE]

That is exactly my question, I would like to reset the phone but I don't know what is working after that, somebody could help maybe? I am ready to loose spotify and vlc but it would not be good if I loose Onedrive with Onenote. I already know that email account exchange is working fine but it seems that onedrive and onenote comes with microsoft account.

 

[jis.s]

You can get the Lumia Camera & Here Maps apps back, on the cost of OneNote.

In this reply, I had written like a whole story that happened when you started this thread. I saved those words away & this is the short version of what I've to say now:

You can get the Lumia Camera, Here Maps app back. That too on either W10M or WP8.1, ofcourse. But you've to compromise OneNote in both working cases.

When I saw your post and replied first, I was running W10M on my Lumia 1020. Right after that, I decided to downgrade to WP8.1, in hope for classic LUMIA experience back. :/
Because, at some point, I lost Lumia Camera, Here apps - because I did a HARD-RESET after upgrading to W10M, which I regret.

So, I used WDRT(Windows Device Recovery Tool) to reset my Lumia to Factory Settings having WP8.1. I got the apps back, they're working great.
Being on WP8.1 was hard for me, because of this unable to sign-in to Store thing. I decided to Upgrade back to W10M again, which I thought was not going to be successful.
But I still gave it a try and Wooohooo! I am now on W10M OS Build: 10.0.10586.107 (beyond this build Here Maps won't work, but OneNote might do)

Basically, in the last week, I managed to downgrade LUMIA 1020 to WP8.1 and back to W10M again, added with Lumia Camera, Here Maps, Here Drive, Glance Screen etc.
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NOTE: Before regretting and doing anything, you can always discuss here, as I suspect that some of apps that you're able to use now might not work afterwards just like OneNote.
so please don't blame me for any un-calculated steps you may take. I am more than willing to discuss things in detail, as much as I can.

~ Thanks

 

[sev7en]

I got mine today with Windows 8.1. As I see it is not a good move to upgrade to Windows 10...

 

[w3afc]

Win 10 on Lumia 1020

Chandigarh: I have Winternals and the other needed tools, but I have a question: When you installed Win 10 on your Lumia 1020, was it in May 2020? Did you follow the procedure in which you basically trick the phone into believing it's a different model using Regedit, or did you find an ISO or other file? I just bought an A-grade 1020 as a test phone to try Win 10 Mobile or other OS.

My main 1020 has a ton of apps, including several camera apps like Lumia Camera, Flat Camera, and others. Like many others, I went to the Store and downloaded a couple dozen apps before the store closed. Thank God I loaded TuneIn radio on it. I have a bunch of cool music sites as Icons, including a Polish Republic station that plays only Pink Floyd, with NO commercials. I won't mess with that phone. So the one I just bought is for play.

How do you like Win 10 Mobile?

John/w3afc

 

[jis.s]

When you installed Win 10 on your Lumia 1020, was it in May 2020? Did you follow the procedure in which you basically trick the phone into believing it's a different model using Regedit, or did you find an ISO or other file? I just bought an A-grade 1020 as a test phone to try Win 10 Mobile or other OS.

Yes, John, it was indeed in May 2020. I followed this thread for the procedure : https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-win10-mobile-offline-update-t3527340

NOTE: If you read the procedure in the linked thread with care, you'll find that keyboard might have issues after upgrade (Depends upon region). I had a totally useless keyboard after updating to W10, but I followed further instructions on that and got my keyboard fixed.

NOTES 2 :
- Change your phone's information to Factory default names after you get to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, as Here Maps, Here Drive are not supported after this version.
- Also thanks to MS, if you go for further upgrade build, you'll loose not only Here Maps but Maps from Microsoft won't work either, as maps don't even load due to incapable GPU in Lumia 1020!?
- After upgrade, don't update the Here Maps, Here Drive apps from store. Turn automatic updates OFF Or they'll stop working. I've experienced this earlier.

How do you like Win 10 Mobile?

I limited my own Lumia to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, so I can use Here Maps and Here Drive. I can access Store and download some rare apps but others cannot be downloaded as it needs latest Windows builds. For Online Music, I use Jio Saavn being from India. It runs ad-free compared to its Android version and serves to most of my music needs, including English songs as well.

In a nutshell, I liked my Lumia 1020, still use it for occasional photography and music. It used to be great until Nokia left & MS stepped in. Still not bad though!
I am actually trying to work on having Win10X installed on Lumia 1020, if it supports it! Fingers-crossed or I'll use it in my future project being a Mechanical Engineer.

Thanks!

 

[w3afc]

I found that last night and it worked!

I loaded all of the files he listed, started the process, and went to bed. This morning I had a Windows 10 Lumia 1020 phone! And the Store works again, although not all apps are compatible or work. I'm glad I loaded a bunch onto my Win 8.1 phone before that store completely closed down.

It's very cool, and I think it's just as fast, but having just spent an hour or so playing with it, I have noticed some annoyances. Battery life does seem to be shorter, but we'll see after some discharge-recharge cycles. This is a refurbished phone, so I'm not sure how new the battery is. I replaced the one in my 8.1 phone several times until I found an actual Nokia one. DANGER WILL ROBINSON: there's an aftermarket battery on Amazon and eBay that claims to have a super long life. It has a white cover. It's crap! I installed one in my Win 8.1 1020, took the phone to the Florida Everglades, and the stupid battery crashed and died. Thank God I took my Pureview 808 as a backup.

Anyway, now I have another new toy to play with during this stupid pandemic. I think I'm going to love this site!

John, w3afc

Yes, John, it was indeed in May 2020. I followed this thread for the procedure : https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-win10-mobile-offline-update-t3527340

NOTE: If you read the procedure in the linked thread with care, you'll find that keyboard might have issues after upgrade (Depends upon region). I had a totally useless keyboard after updating to W10, but I followed further instructions on that and got my keyboard fixed.

NOTES 2 :
- Change your phone's information to Factory default names after you get to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, as Here Maps, Here Drive are not supported after this version.
- Also thanks to MS, if you go for further upgrade build, you'll loose not only Here Maps but Maps from Microsoft won't work either, as maps don't even load due to incapable GPU in Lumia 1020!?
- After upgrade, don't update the Here Maps, Here Drive apps from store. Turn automatic updates OFF Or they'll stop working. I've experienced this earlier.


I limited my own Lumia to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, so I can use Here Maps and Here Drive. I can access Store and download some rare apps but others cannot be downloaded as it needs latest Windows builds. For Online Music, I use Jio Saavn being from India. It runs ad-free compared to its Android version and serves to most of my music needs, including English songs as well.

In a nutshell, I liked my Lumia 1020, still use it for occasional photography and music. It used to be great until Nokia left & MS stepped in. Still not bad though!
I am actually trying to work on having Win10X installed on Lumia 1020, if it supports it! Fingers-crossed or I'll use it in my future project being a Mechanical Engineer.

Thanks!

---------- Post added at 03:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:10 PM ----------

I just found that battery with the white cover on eBay. It's called the BV-5XW. I had it in my phone for less than a week.

I loaded all of the files he listed, started the process, and went to bed. This morning I had a Windows 10 Lumia 1020 phone! And the Store works again, although not all apps are compatible or work. I'm glad I loaded a bunch onto my Win 8.1 phone before that store completely closed down.

It's very cool, and I think it's just as fast, but having just spent an hour or so playing with it, I have noticed some annoyances. Battery life does seem to be shorter, but we'll see after some discharge-recharge cycles. This is a refurbished phone, so I'm not sure how new the battery is. I replaced the one in my 8.1 phone several times until I found an actual Nokia one. DANGER WILL ROBINSON: there's an aftermarket battery on Amazon and eBay that claims to have a super long life. It has a white cover. It's crap! I installed one in my Win 8.1 1020, took the phone to the Florida Everglades, and the stupid battery crashed and died. Thank God I took my Pureview 808 as a backup.

Anyway, now I have another new toy to play with during this stupid pandemic. I think I'm going to love this site!

John, w3afc

 

[w3afc]

Yes, John, it was indeed in May 2020. I followed this thread for the procedure : https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-win10-mobile-offline-update-t3527340

NOTE: If you read the procedure in the linked thread with care, you'll find that keyboard might have issues after upgrade (Depends upon region). I had a totally useless keyboard after updating to W10, but I followed further instructions on that and got my keyboard fixed.

NOTES 2 :
- Change your phone's information to Factory default names after you get to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, as Here Maps, Here Drive are not supported after this version.
- Also thanks to MS, if you go for further upgrade build, you'll loose not only Here Maps but Maps from Microsoft won't work either, as maps don't even load due to incapable GPU in Lumia 1020!?
- After upgrade, don't update the Here Maps, Here Drive apps from store. Turn automatic updates OFF Or they'll stop working. I've experienced this earlier.


I limited my own Lumia to Win 10 Mobile Version 1511, OS Build 10.0.10586.107, so I can use Here Maps and Here Drive. I can access Store and download some rare apps but others cannot be downloaded as it needs latest Windows builds. For Online Music, I use Jio Saavn being from India. It runs ad-free compared to its Android version and serves to most of my music needs, including English songs as well.

In a nutshell, I liked my Lumia 1020, still use it for occasional photography and music. It used to be great until Nokia left & MS stepped in. Still not bad though!
I am actually trying to work on having Win10X installed on Lumia 1020, if it supports it! Fingers-crossed or I'll use it in my future project being a Mechanical Engineer.

Thanks!

 

[w3afc]

OK, something crazy happened. I turned off Windows update but I mistakenly downloaded a couple maps for offline use for HERE Drive, and suddenly DRIVE didn't work. I got the canned "Not supported by this version of Windows" message. So I connected my phone back to my PC and decided to re-do the install that Hikari created, but it received another error message. And now WDRT wouldn't work with my phone, despite my rebooting efforts.

So I did a hard reset, and Windows 10 came back - BUT IT AN OLDER VERSION called LUMIA Windows 10, version 1451. The first one was 1551 (latest good version).

Here are some screenshots. The phone is MUCH faster on Windows 10. Even my wife agrees to that. And the Store works for a lot of apps, plus all the ones I owned downloaded to Lumia Windows 10 1451, and they work great.

Except ONE - Messaging. All the settings for SMS and MMS settings are there, but there's no app, and the one that my 8.1 phone has says it's not compatible with this version of Windows Mobile.

Does anyone have a workaround, like a 3rd party app?

 

[w3afc]

OK, something crazy happened. I turned off Windows update but I mistakenly downloaded a couple maps for offline use for HERE Drive, and suddenly DRIVE didn't work. I got the canned "Not supported by this version of Windows" message. So I connected my phone back to my PC and decided to re-do the install that Hikari created, but it received another error message. And now WDRT wouldn't work with my phone, despite my rebooting efforts.

So I did a hard reset, and Windows 10 came back - BUT IT AN OLDER VERSION called LUMIA Windows 10, version 1451. The first one was 1551 (latest good version).

Here are some screenshots. The phone is MUCH faster on Windows 10. Even my wife agrees to that. And the Store works for a lot of apps, plus all the ones I owned downloaded to Lumia Windows 10 1451, and they work great.

Except ONE - Messaging. All the settings for SMS and MMS settings are there, but there's no app, and the one that my 8.1 phone has says it's not compatible with this version of Windows Mobile.

Does anyone have a workaround, like a 3rd party app?

I attached the wrong picture. Here's the SMS/MMS page. Everything except an APP!

 

[w3afc]

This is probably a "dead thread", but here goes:

I bought TWO Lumia 1020's to play with in order to preserve my Win 8.1 phone. One is a "refurbished" model, and the other is one of those "Made in China" models. The build quality isn't bad, actually.

I've been running 1607 Anniversary on the refurbished one, and 1703 full install on the China model. It's hard to assess the battery life issue because of the differing ages of the phones. My original has an actual Nokia battery, but it's about 2 yrs old. I have no idea how old the refurbished one is, but I would guess that the China model battery is fairly new.

As Steve Litchfield points out in his All About Windows Phone page, 1607 is really all the further one should take the dual-core 1020. 1703 is a "reach". Both versions have access through the store to good turn-by-turn GPS programs, and there are other good apps and stations that you can use to replace MSN Sports and Weather with the 1607 version. If you use Shazam and TuneIn, those will be gone. The replacement for Shazam, Soundhound, has cool features but it isn't as quick to identify music as Shazam.

As soon as I was happy, I changed the registry back to a Lumia 1020 and rested on my laurels. But Microsoft never rests..........

About 20 minutes before the ball came down on New Year's eve, I noticed that I wasn't getting shelled with texts from friends and family members. I glanced down and had a conniption fit - all I saw was a black screen with white gears turning. Microsoft was installing 1703 "on the sly". There was no way it would be finished in time, so I popped out my SIM carrier (yes, while it was running) and popped it back into my Win 8 phone which was off. As soon as the "update" was finished, I checked to see if I had left the phone set to a 640XL, but all Reg entries and the ID said RM-877, Lumia 1020, etc. And a part B of 1703 was scheduled for the upcoming evening.

After playing with the "1703a" version, I was surprised how quick it was - a bit faster than 1607, and MUCH faster than the 1703 "full install".

It looks like the only way to completely eliminate subterfuge by Microsoft is to change the values in the Registry. The keys are easy to find using InterOps. But after I edit them, they go right back to what they were. So today I'm writing a few lines and I'll use the Import function in InterOps to see if that works. If it does, I'll post the text here.

 

[w3afc]

Today, my two Win 10 Lumia 1020's were booted off my office Outlook email account because the phones still have a reference in the Registry that reads WP8. Or at least, that's what Outlook says. Both phones have 1703 installed.

Does anyone know the secret hiding spot in the Registry that refers to "WP8", if it actually exists?

I've combed through the Registry using InterOps to no avail.

 

[fabjazz]

Hi !
I have a Lumia 1020 64gb and I saw recently that it is now possible to have a root access with the possibility to install all the applications we want.

Somebody tried with Lumia 1020?

 

[w3afc]

A 64GB 1020? Wow, those are as rare as Unicorns!

I assume you mean while retaining Windows 8.1? With Win 10 you can sideload pretty much everything including Win 8 apps like Shazam and even HERE Drive, but the duo-core processor runs too slow. I'm waiting for someone like Hikari to push Win 11 on a 1020, LOL.

I committed heresy and switched to the 950. The stills are very competitive, and the 950 has 4K video from which you can capture great stills. And the 950's hexacore CPU does a decent job with Win 10 .

 

[fabjazz]

Yes, I would like to keep win 8.1.
Yes, it is very rare. I don't want to brick it
It seems that it does not work but if there is a chance to add some apps, it will be very good, I don't want to push win 10 on the 1020.
I have the 950, but it is very disappointing. I have a 808 pureview, the 950 is not as good as these 2 phones for photographies. And It miss a processor a little bit more powerful to read a 1080p mkv video, so for multimedia I prefer an android phone or tablet.

 

[w3afc]

I still have my 808 and my N8, but it's getting hard to find good batteries for the 808. I took my 808 to Waikiki in 2014 and took spectacular pictures with it. And I used it as a backup for my 1020 when the aftermarket battery that I had installed in my 1020 crashed and burned, 3 weeks after I installed it.

You could buy a cheap 32GB 1020 on eBay and experiment with that. I bought a couple, including a new Chinese-made one for $60.