Lumia 800 flaws list here

[1orka]

Vote with your wallet and return the phone!

Although i'm still lost at how something which is not included in the specs is a flaw?

Just because all the older versions had some feature does not mean the new ones should have it. This does not make it a flaw.

Old Saab's used fly, the new ones roll around on 4 wheels and don't (usually) fly. If you bought a Saab car would you argue that it should fly?

Stop using this "shut up and vote with your wallet" thing, do you work for Nokia or MS? Why would you write crap like that over and over again?

Read what i quoted, everything is in there and you won't get lost.

If you buy an expensive brand new car, and upon briging it home you realise there is no A/C in it, and i'd tell you "don't complain, it wasn't included in specs" how would you feel?

And as for SAAB, i wouldn't argue simply because i bought a car, not a plane. You couldn't even bring something less far fetched and lame..

 

[kharma45]

Pinch to zoom on my brothers Lumia 800 seems oddly choppy at times, and my Optimus 7 seems to render pages faster than his phone :\

 

[Boburto]

If you buy an expensive brand new car, and upon briging it home you realise there is no A/C in it, and i'd tell you "don't complain, it wasn't included in specs" how would you feel?

And as for SAAB, i wouldn't argue simply because i bought a car, not a plane. You couldn't even bring something less far fetched and lame..

Most BMW's only a few years ago came with AC as an optional extra. So I don't see your point.

Still don't see it as a flaw, just a missing feature.

 

[1orka]

Most BMW's only a few years ago came with AC as an optional extra. So I don't see your point.

Still don't see it as a flaw, just a missing feature.

No, A/C is stock for decades in all BMW 7 series (or Mercedes S class). I'm almost sure that same applies to 5 series or E class. I think it's even standart in cheap 3 and 1 series but with more powerful engines (v6) as well.

Missing feature is a flaw for those who need it, you don't need it fine, for you it's not a flaw. Is this hard to understand?

 

[1orka]

By the way Boburto, do you think this is BS?

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/20/n...sfer-soon-tango-update-improves-multitasking/

Well, it sounds a bit like wishful thinking, but I certainly hope it's not.
If it happens, i might even consider L900

 

[Boss_Cuco]

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17) After the hard-reset every time I screen lock the phone it will disconnect from any Wifi network. This did not happen before the hard-reset.

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Anyone else with this issue?
I'm having the same problem, only difference is that i've never done any hard-reset...

 

[yeoldgreat1]

Anyone else with this issue?
I'm having the same problem, only difference is that i've never done any hard-reset...

WP7 turns off the wifi connection whenever the screen is locked, it's to preserve the battery life. I don't know if there is something you can do to stop it from doing that.

 

[oskariunit]

WP7 turns off the wifi connection whenever the screen is locked, it's to preserve the battery life. I don't know if there is something you can do to stop it from doing that.

Connect charger and it will keep WIFI under lock screen.

 

[jj14]

Stop using this "shut up and vote with your wallet" thing, do you work for Nokia or MS? Why would you write crap like that over and over again?

Read what i quoted, everything is in there and you won't get lost.

If you buy an expensive brand new car, and upon briging it home you realise there is no A/C in it, and i'd tell you "don't complain, it wasn't included in specs" how would you feel?

And as for SAAB, i wouldn't argue simply because i bought a car, not a plane. You couldn't even bring something less far fetched and lame..

Boburto made a valid point - when I purchase something (be it a car or a phone), I do have a checklist of features that are important to me. If it meets my criteria, I'll keep it in my shortlist. If it is missing any feature that is critical to me, I'll not purchase it!

1orka, I get your point - partly. File transfer over BT is obviously important to you. Great. Why did you consider purchasing the Lumia 800? Why didn't you pick from all the other phones that have that feature?

If the Lumia 800 advertised the file transfer over BT as a supported feature, yes, you have a perfectly valid point - it is a bug and needs to be fixed.

If I purchase a car tomorrow and ignore the fact that it doesn't have AC as a built in feature, and then take the car back to the dealership complaining about the lack of AC - guess what happens... Do you really expect the dealership to take the car back? Not sure about other countries, but here in the US, that ain't happening.

Sure, File transfer over BT is not that hard to implement, and MS could have (and maybe should have) done that.

 

[imorital]

WRT: Bluetooth

One area where bluetooth is still useful and relevant must be headsets and wireless audio streaming.

I used to connect my Android (Desire HD) to the bluetooth receiver in my car, then stream music from the device which would be paused for GPS instructions or when on a call.

Obviously I can still make bluetooth calls with the Lumia 800 attached, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get music streaming working. Is this supported in the phone?

Obviously I can't (at this stage) rule out the hardware in my car is not at fault, but if this is missing from WP7.x then I'm a little dissapointed.

 

[plagu]

I agree with this completely. How often do you even transfer contacts? Bluetooth in this device is a joke.

Ever heard of bluetooth handsfrees?
I only use bluetooth for that and it works beautifully.

 

[anseio]

One area where bluetooth is still useful and relevant must be headsets and wireless audio streaming.

I used to connect my Android (Desire HD) to the bluetooth receiver in my car, then stream music from the device which would be paused for GPS instructions or when on a call.

Obviously I can still make bluetooth calls with the Lumia 800 attached, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get music streaming working. Is this supported in the phone?

Obviously I can't (at this stage) rule out the hardware in my car is not at fault, but if this is missing from WP7.x then I'm a little dissapointed.

I can stream through my bluetooth headset, so we know the Lumia 800 is capable.

 

[jj14]

Obviously I can still make bluetooth calls with the Lumia 800 attached, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get music streaming working. Is this supported in the phone?

Not sure. It could be a limitation of the car's software too. Check compatibility on your car manufacturer's website as well.

 

[1orka]

Boburto made a valid point - when I purchase something (be it a car or a phone), I do have a checklist of features that are important to me. If it meets my criteria, I'll keep it in my shortlist. If it is missing any feature that is critical to me, I'll not purchase it!

1orka, I get your point - partly. File transfer over BT is obviously important to you. Great. Why did you consider purchasing the Lumia 800? Why didn't you pick from all the other phones that have that feature?

If the Lumia 800 advertised the file transfer over BT as a supported feature, yes, you have a perfectly valid point - it is a bug and needs to be fixed.

If I purchase a car tomorrow and ignore the fact that it doesn't have AC as a built in feature, and then take the car back to the dealership complaining about the lack of AC - guess what happens... Do you really expect the dealership to take the car back? Not sure about other countries, but here in the US, that ain't happening.

Sure, File transfer over BT is not that hard to implement, and MS could have (and maybe should have) done that.

No, he didn't made a valid point, and neither do you.

I was bying a Nokia, not Iphone, i didn't know that Nokia doesn't offer such basic feature in their brand new, top of the line (and expensive) device anymore. You try to make it look like i'm demanding something extraordinary, which is not the case.

As for cars, again, you missed that we're talking about expensive cars, some features must be there by default, you don't have to read specs list. Bimmer or Merc without a/c is nonsense, just like Nokia without bluetooth. I'm sure that they will bring it back, and better do it sooner than later.


My point was made clearly in that quote that i posted, obviously, you didn't even bother to read it. I'll quote some part again, please read it carefuly.
Your attempts to downplay this fault and make it look like it's only important for me are ridiculous.

Bluetooth is the most used data transfer method in many countries especially in nations with censorship and social mores that make some types of file transfers 'sensitive' - so for example the youth in the Middle East prefer to use bluetooth to transfer some files, just so they are not monitored on the network, in countries where they still have arranged marriages etc. So. Back to Lumia. Past Nokia smartphones were compatible with not just all previous Nokia phones that supported Bluetooth (more than one Billion such Nokia branded handsets - smart and dumbphones - in use worldwide) but of course Bluetooth file transfer is supported by almost all other brands of mobile phones from premium Blackberries and Samsung Galaxies to low-cost handsets from ZTE and Huawei and G'Five and Mi-Fone and Micromax. Thats 4.8 Billion handsets. Well more than half of them - and almost all high-end phones among them - support Bluetooth. Lets just say 2.4 Billion phones. So every friend who has any kind of Samsung or LG or Blackberry or SonyEricsson or Motorola or older Nokia can do Bluetooth transfers but your brand new 'exciting' Lumia .. cannot. You are, of course, disappointed in your purchase. In the worst case, your friends will jeer you for making a dumb purchase.

 

[jj14]

i didn't know that Nokia doesn't offer such basic feature in their brand new, top of the line (and expensive) device anymore.

Apparently.
Who do you think is responsible for reading the specs of an "expensive" device that one purchases? <rhetorical question>

IMO, just because a lot of phones support a feature doesn't mean that you can/should assume that your potential new phone supports it.

Example 1: a large selection of modern smartphones support data transfer and charging using microUSB/miniUSB cables. iPhone doesn't. If you buy an iPhone assuming that you can use your microUSB cables and avoid having to buy their proprietary cable, well, you will be disappointed.

Example 2: Most smartphones supported by my cellphone service provider currently are 4G capable. So, I'm used to having 4G service on my phones. There are a very few smartdevices on my service provider that do not support 4g speeds. If I purchase one of these, and complain about the lack of 4G (because it is an expected feature in my opinion), my service provider (or phone manufacturer) isn't going to really do much about it.

Maybe you aren't demanding something extraordinary - maybe it is a very basic feature for you that you absolutely require. Fine. I am not arguing with your need for this feature. However, it still isn't Nokia's fault that you didn't confirm specifications/supported-features before (potentially) purchasing the device. Maybe they will add it in future devices if enough people demand it ("vote with your wallet" comment that another poster made earlier)

As for cars, again, you missed that we're talking about expensive cars, some features must be there by default, you don't have to read specs list.

Yes - but WHICH features must be there by default is up to each potential purchaser. One person may think that integrated navigation (or a full size spare tire) is an absolute must - while another person may not care for that. Expensive or cheap - every consumer is expected to read specs before signing on the dotted line.



BTW, from your earlier post:

Missing feature is a flaw for those who need it, you don't need it fine, for you it's not a flaw. Is this hard to understand?

<-- Yes - I agree 100%. And if a feature that is critical for me is missing, I will just not purchase that "flawed" device. That's probably what the previous poster meant by "Vote with your wallet" - you didn't have to 'yell' at him for that.

 

[angler]

Bluetooth support is a very basic function of cell phone for years. Why Lumia 800 did not support this basic function? There are many basic area that Lumia (perhaps WP) did not support.

 

[anseio]

To hopefully bring an end to this Bluetooth discussion... It's not a shortcoming of Nokia, ir something they left off. It's a limitation of the wp7 OS. Don't lobby Nokia to get it supported, lobby Microsoft.

Bluetooth support is a very basic function of cell phone for years. Why Lumia 800 did not support this basic function? There are many basic area that Lumia (perhaps WP) did not support.

Sent from my Sexy Cyan Lumia 800 using XDA WP7 App

 

[jj14]

To hopefully bring an end to this Bluetooth discussion... It's not a shortcoming of Nokia, ir something they left off. It's a limitation of the wp7 OS. Don't lobby Nokia to get it supported, lobby Microsoft.

Thanks Dialog ended

 

[1orka]

Apparently.
Who do you think is responsible for reading the specs of an "expensive" device that one purchases? <rhetorical question>

IMO, just because a lot of phones support a feature doesn't mean that you can/should assume that your potential new phone supports it.

Example 1: a large selection of modern smartphones support data transfer and charging using microUSB/miniUSB cables. iPhone doesn't. If you buy an iPhone assuming that you can use your microUSB cables and avoid having to buy their proprietary cable, well, you will be disappointed.

Example 2: Most smartphones supported by my cellphone service provider currently are 4G capable. So, I'm used to having 4G service on my phones. There are a very few smartdevices on my service provider that do not support 4g speeds. If I purchase one of these, and complain about the lack of 4G (because it is an expected feature in my opinion), my service provider (or phone manufacturer) isn't going to really do much about it.
Maybe you aren't demanding something extraordinary - maybe it is a very basic feature for you that you absolutely require. Fine. I am not arguing with your need for this feature. However, it still isn't Nokia's fault that you didn't confirm specifications/supported-features before (potentially) purchasing the device. Maybe they will add it in future devices if enough people demand it ("vote with your wallet" comment that another poster made earlier)
Yes - but WHICH features must be there by default is up to each potential purchaser. One person may think that integrated navigation (or a full size spare tire) is an absolute must - while another person may not care for that. Expensive or cheap - every consumer is expected to read specs before signing on the dotted line.
BTW, from your earlier post:
<-- Yes - I agree 100%. And if a feature that is critical for me is missing, I will just not purchase that "flawed" device. That's probably what the previous poster meant by "Vote with your wallet" - you didn't have to 'yell' at him for that.

Do you work together?

I don't need this salesman crap about "you should have read specs, those small letters, we didn't promise something too you".

And i didn't yell at no one, i was making a point, that missing of such feature is drawback for me.
Yet people like you came here with crap like "it's only important for you", "strange people", "no big deallie, use email"

Like i said, your attempts to downplay such drawback are redicoulus.
I provided you with quote, which you again, didn't even bother to read. You just igroned it because you have nothing to say. It explains my point perfectly and in better english.

Bluetooth is the most used data transfer method in many countries

And iphone was a bad analogy, because

Past Nokia smartphones were compatible with not just all previous Nokia phones that supported Bluetooth (more than one Billion such Nokia branded handsets - smart and dumbphones - in use worldwide) but of course Bluetooth file transfer is supported by almost all other brands of mobile phones from premium Blackberries and Samsung Galaxies to low-cost handsets from ZTE and Huawei and G'Five and Mi-Fone and Micromax. Thats 4.8 Billion handsets. Well more than half of them - and almost all high-end phones among them - support Bluetooth. Lets just say 2.4 Billion phones.

So every friend who has any kind of Samsung or LG or Blackberry or SonyEricsson or Motorola or older Nokia can do Bluetooth transfers but your brand new 'exciting' Lumia .. cannot. You are, of course, disappointed in your purchase. In the worst case, your friends will jeer you for making a dumb purchase

 

[jj14]

Finally got 12070 update from Zune last night - Based on my observations so far, my issue with battery life appears to be no more. (Hopefully, it doesn't deteriorate)

Wheeeeeeeeeeee!