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pndwal

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Anyone seen Happy Momo before?

Hiding Zygisk may be possible! 😀 ...

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Translated:
"The environment is normal, no changes to the environment have been found"

Seems Shamico may be the answer, but early days... (according to this user / dev: nu11ptr)

I know nothing about anime, Manga, demon-girl characters etc, and this may or may not be relavent:


https://machikado-mazoku.fandom.com/wiki/Momo_Chiyoda

Anyway, looks like a genuine POC FWIW.

🤪 😝 PW 😋

... So we now have proper hide-for-Zygisk test released to public!

It's Shamiko-v0.1.1-40-debug.zip

Translated;
LSPosed:

Shamiko Preview

Simple hide based on zygisk.

Configure inheritance denylist. After installing Shamiko, configure denylist and close denylist, Shamiko will automatically take over and hide.

Theory supports Android 8.1+, but only tested on 11

You need to use the version of magisk after this pr: https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/pull/5010

So need to wait for that PR to be merged, or build Magisk from
https://github.com/LSPosed/Magisk/tree/xhookclear
to try. PW
 
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pndwal

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Gotta be impressed with some of John's observations / mathematical mind (which we all apparently have... somewhere...).
John Wu, Dec 3

US: 12022021
Asia: 20211202
EU: 02122021

Only for today, EU is wrong

Me, I didn't initially see it... Took the word 'palindrome' to kick-start my math's brain... 🤪

Bit late, but Happy No-Palindrome Day Europe!

Sorry if OT, but this has gotta be relavent to Magisk development... no? PW
 
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pndwal

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sorry to ask, where is this module available?
It's in a less known Magisk alpha TG thread w/ some 700 members, not 6200. (found no other links to it as yet); that was given here recently.

Sorry you may need to search, some of us have been warned by mods re. giving links to Twitter, Telegram etc XDA deems 'social media'. We can quote however.)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-85723289

Tip: look at @Eng.Raman's recent posts.
(Lsposed is supposed to be preliminary installed?)
No mention of LSPosed being needed.

Another user tried it; didn't say if built LSPosed 'xhook-clear' branched Magisk or found a Magisk build with requisite fix (see pr), but showed Momo result 'Found zygisk' gone with other 'modifications' / 'suspicious traces' remaining. (Less perfect result that nu11ptr's.)

Please report any early success with this. 👍 PW
 

pndwal

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hi which version i need to instal on my xiaomi mi10t pro with A12? the safety net aways fails
Doubt Magisk version is your issue, but you will likely need USNF ver 2.1.2 or 2.2.0 depending on whether you use current public Stable /w Riru or current debug Canary /w Zygisk. Nb. If you have current Canary you must enable Zygisk as 2.1.2 solution doesn't work w/o MagiskHide.

Nb. If still failing with the above, try with modules not required for SafetyNet disabled (some are known to break SafetyNet).

Nb.2. You may also need MHPC w/ passing fingerprint configured if you use a custom ROM. PW
 

Olorin92

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Hi all,

Is anyone aware of a working solution for hiding mocked locations when using Magisk Canary + Android 12? The latest smali patcher causes boot loops when I try activating the module.

I have to use canary as the P6 Pro seems to only support that. I've tried the lsposed mock mock location module, but it doesn't work as I have to remove Pokemon Go from the denylist for it to properly work (and Pokemon subsequently detects root after that).

I'm guessing Magisk Alpha is probably my only bet here for now (assuming that implements Magisk hide still)
 

zgfg

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Hi all,

Is anyone aware of a working solution for hiding mocked locations when using Magisk Canary + Android 12? The latest smali patcher causes boot loops when I try activating the module.

I have to use canary as the P6 Pro seems to only support that. I've tried the lsposed mock mock location module, but it doesn't work as I have to remove Pokemon Go from the denylist for it to properly work (and Pokemon subsequently detects root after that).

I'm guessing Magisk Alpha is probably my only bet here for now (assuming that implements Magisk hide still)
You can also try Magisk Custom. Latest d208be84 code base 23015 but still with MagiskHide

And then see the screenshots (since URL to TG channel is not llowed)
 

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Olorin92

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How does one join that telegram? I can't search it in the telegram app and finding a link for it in Google seems very difficult...
 

Olorin92

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See my post above, I edited, added a link to Github and then screenshots to follow

But you need to install TG app and register:
Thanks - I'm noticing in the newer app I can't enable magiskhide, it just turns itself off everytime I go out and come back in. Is this meant to happen?

Or do I need to re-flash the boot img after patching it with this APK?
 

pogo-airsupport

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Hi all,

Is anyone aware of a working solution for hiding mocked locations when using Magisk Canary + Android 12? The latest smali patcher causes boot loops when I try activating the module.

I have to use canary as the P6 Pro seems to only support that. I've tried the lsposed mock mock location module, but it doesn't work as I have to remove Pokemon Go from the denylist for it to properly work (and Pokemon subsequently detects root after that).

I'm guessing Magisk Alpha is probably my only bet here for now (assuming that implements Magisk hide still)
It's working for me though.
Are you using lsposed zygisk and passing safetynet?
I am using USNF 2.2.0 and mock mock.
DenyList doesn't have PoGo on it.
Doing this on 2 phones and no issues. (P6Pro + P4XL)
Make sure you don't have other files in storage or folders that PoGo can detect.
Remember your Lsposed MUST be zygisk version, otherwise Lsposed will not work with Zygisk denylist, making your mock mock useless as well.
 
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Olorin92

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It's working for me though.
Are you using lsposed zygisk and passing safetynet?
I am using USNF 2.2.0 and mock mock.
DenyList doesn't have PoGo on it.
Doing this on 2 phones and no issues. (P6Pro + P4XL)
Make sure you don't have other files in storage or folders that PoGo can detect.
Remember your Lsposed MUST be zygisk version, otherwise Lsposed will not work with Zygisk denylist, making your mock mock useless as well.
So I assume I've got the right lsposed version as the mocking works where it didn't before (I just got a could not find location error 12 in pogo). Whenever I remove Pokemon from the deny list, it pops up again complaining about the OS not being compatible/supported.

What folders or files should I look out for? As far as I know I've gotten rid of any Magisk related stuff...
 

zgfg

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Thanks - I'm noticing in the newer app I can't enable magiskhide, it just turns itself off everytime I go out and come back in. Is this meant to happen?

Or do I need to re-flash the boot img after patching it with this APK?
Could you elaborate:
- New app = Magisk Custom 23015 or what?
- MagiskHide by itself turns off or some app gets removed from MagiskHide list or what?

If you installed Magisk Custom app - that is not enough, you need to install the corresponding Magisk Custom itself (Magisk app is only front-end) - by patching your (boot) img and flashing (that Magisk Custom 23015 debug cannot be reanamed to zip and flashed through TWRP).
And if you were switching from new Canary or Alpha, you better had to completely Uninstall your old Magisk (with all modules, everything) before switching to Magisk Custom - please read the Cudtom TG channel and/or posts about Custom in this thread.

That is because every of those Magisk versions: old Stable, new Canary, Alpha, Custom has (slightly) DIFFERENT format of magisk.db and if you don't perform proper switch, who knows what is your actual environment

Then, you will have to fully configure the new Magisk Custom (MagiskHide, root apps, modules), everything from scratch.
Obviously, you would not enable Zygisk but only MagiskHide.
And if you use LSPosed, you would need Riru and Riru-LSPosed
(but if you are talking about new Canary, then you should enable Zygisk and DenyList and use ZygiskLSposed - hence please be precise and specific in your posts, otherwise you will get wrong answers and if you apply you wrong instructions you will make things even worse)

Finally, I don't mock locations and don't use PoGo and cannot advise anything about

PS: I also use Magisk Custom d208be84 (23015) and have no problem with MagiskHide, nothing turns off - but see my screenshots
 

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So I assume I've got the right lsposed version as the mocking works where it didn't before (I just got a could not find location error 12 in pogo). Whenever I remove Pokemon from the deny list, it pops up again complaining about the OS not being compatible/supported.

What folders or files should I look out for? As far as I know I've gotten rid of any Magisk related stuff...
Make sure you are using Magisk and not some custom version.
Enable zygisk, enforce deny list, and add what is necessary in denylist (I only have my work stuff denied, not PoGo)
Then use Lsposed zygisk version (you need to download this from telegram, if you didn't, you probably have the wrong version).
Then use mock mock, and check pogo.

PoGo will look for any files that suggest magisk (make sure this is hidden as well!), or any custom recovery folders.
If you had used backup restore when you started using your P6P, you it may have transfered some old files from your old phone. The other thing is whether you hid your mocking app. If you are using it directly as downloaded, PoGo may be looking for the package name.

I'm not sure whether you actually need to pass SafetyNet for PoGo now. Previously on A11, you didn't. I only have 3 modules in magisk - systemless, USFN and Zygisk Lsposed. If you add anything else, you may be inadvertantly tripping PoGo detection.

That's it. I have this setup running on A12 P6P and P4XL and P2XL (A11). Not sure if anyone else has similar experience, or if it's not working for others?
 
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pndwal

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Latest Alpha Magisk (Unofficial)
Translated:

# alpha update log

## Magisk (0f71edee-alpha)
-[App] Support SharedUserId
-[App] Delete the backup file after restoring the boot image
-[App] Built-in current version update log
-[App] Use local version when unable to download stub
-[App] Switch to Java 8 Modern Time API
-[General] No longer automatically unlock the device block
-[General] Use MagiskHide to hide when Zygisk is closed
-[App] Delete markdown rendering
-[General] Do not execute scripts that have ignored loading modules
-[App] Fix Magisk cannot be updated from notification
-[App] Fix that the second time tapping the hidden app button may be unresponsive
-[App] Fix the effective time of signing certificate
-[App] Enable network request caching
-[App] Rewrite install application function
-[App] Enhance the function of repairing environment
-[App] Fix that some processes in the exclusion list may not be displayed
-[App] Support setting the KEEPVBMETAFLAG flag to skip processing vbmeta in the boot image
-[Zygisk] Fix Xhook

👍 PW
 

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Nb. New Alpha Magisk has Xhook fix merged (Not yet in TJW Magisk downstream:
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/pull/5010 ) so supports new Zygisk hide solution which is "Shadow Mistress Yuko: Hide for zygisk".

New Shadow Mistress Yuko is also available. Shamiko-v0.1.2-47-release zip

😝 PW
Trying with 0f71edee-alpha (23015) but Shamiko reports that Magisk is somewhat broken and Momo still finds Zygisk

All other things work for me (SafetyNet hence DenyList and Zygisk, Superuser grants, modules - and of course, I do testing without Riru)

PS: Tested also with all other modules disabled, still Shamiko reports the same error and fails to hide Zygisk

EDIT:
With the updated:
Shamiko-v0.1.2-47-release.zip
It worked!!!
 

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Trying with 0f71edee-alpha (23015) but Shamiko reports that Magisk is somewhat broken and Momo still finds Zygisk

All other things work for me (SafetyNet hence DenyList and Zygisk, Superuser grants, modules - and of course, I do testing without Riru)

PS: Tested also with all other modules disabled, still Shamiko reports the same error and fails to hide Zygisk

EDIT:
With the updated:
Shamiko-v0.1.2-47-release.zip
It worked!!!
Updated to Shamiko 47 and it works:
- Enforce and Configure DenyList
- Install Shamiko
- Disable DenyList - Shamiko takes over, DenyList will work although disabled in Magisk app

Then Momo does no more find Zygisk while SafetyNet still passes (I have two other apps that I had to add to DenyList and they also don't complain about root)
 

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pndwal

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Trying with 0f71edee-alpha (23015) but Shamiko reports that Magisk is somewhat broken and Momo still finds Zygisk

All other things work for me (SafetyNet hence DenyList and Zygisk, Superuser grants, modules - and of course, I do testing without Riru)
Working for me.

IMG_20211206_095646.jpg


I suspect you have broken db or other in /data/adb due to unofficial Custom Magisk use if didn't take full Magisk Uninstall. I was able to take 'dirty' Alpha install (w/ Direct Install) over Canary however.

Also, to clarify, you will need to disable Enforce Denylist after you configure it as per original instructions. (Google translation could be clearer / doesn't help):
LSPosed:

Shamiko Preview

Simple hide based on zygisk.

Configure inheritance denylist. After installing Shamiko, configure denylist and close denylist, Shamiko will automatically take over and hide.

Theory supports Android 8.1+, but only tested on 11

Clearly we will need to wait for Zygisk compatible solutions / details for other traces / environmental abnormalities detected. I have no idea how @nu11ptr got completely happy Momo.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-86032113

Both Rootbeer Fresh and Rootbeer Sample are happy with my setup, and I can still hide 'root' from PushTAN app.

PW

Edit: See you got it sorted...

Nb. Solution is not open sourced yet, and @nu11ptr indicated that this will likely not change.
 
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    I've had 21.4 for a long while, then last day I updated it via its app which put the phone into a permanent loop of "Phone is starting" across the desktop. I then installed the same 24.3 via TWRP which removed the loop but also took away mobile data.
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    ok I did that. It's the same
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    👍 PW
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    👍 PW
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    Looks like major libsu release is now imminent; most fixes are now merged.

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    👀 PW
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    New readme etc. Read how you can Attach Debugger to Android Process in Root Services and more!
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    Latest Official TJW debug Canary Magisk:​

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    • [MagiskInit] Update 2SI implementation, significantly increase device compatibility (e.g. Sony Xperia devices)
    • [MagiskInit] Introduce new sepolicy injection mechanism
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    This is the place for general support and discussion regarding "Public Releases", which includes both stable and beta releases.
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    Hello, I haven't given much support on XDA lately. It can be resulted from
    • University started and I have limited free time. In fact, I mostly develop during midnight
    • I live in Taiwan, which has large time zone differences between my European/American contributors/testers, which usually forces me to stay up late at night to discuss/test stuffs.
    • The new version is about to come, I don't want to spend effort on supporting old releases
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    Current Progress
    In the past month, I've spent quite some time learning SELinux, so that I can avoid using SuperSU's sepolicy patches. Thanks to the helps and tips from @phhusson and @Chainfire, I finally have a much clearer understanding of how SELinux works. The Magisk core parts (the scripts, boot image patches, new features, more supports) are actually done some time ago. What is causing all the delays is the Magisk Manager.
    To be completely honest, although I can code in Java without much issues, Magisk Manager is actually my first Android application, I had to reach out for assistance, and fortunately awesome developers like @DVDandroid and @digitalhigh contributed a lot, which makes the current Manager awesome.
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    Safety Net Disaster
    Those who are using Magisk for Safety Net bypass purposes must have known that Google recently updated the detection method of my Systemless Xposed. I still have no idea what Safety Net is detecting, so currently I cannot fix it on my side (also because I'm busy working on the next update). However, suhide developed by @Chainfire is able to hide Xposed and worked fine.
    However, only my Systemless Xposed v86.2, which is based on SuperSU's su.d, is supported using that method. v86.2 and v86.5 (latest, Magisk based) have nearly identical binaries, and the only difference is the path where the binaries are stored.
    I'm still not sure what's the real issue for it not being supported, I just hope it is not done intentionally.

    Conclusion
    Due to the fact that my Safety Net bypass is not 100% perfect now, I do not want to spend any more time waiting for auto-unroot to be polished. What I'm doing now is finishing up all the things I'd like to change in Magisk Manager (it has been a while since I last contributed to Manager, my fellow developers are doing all the heavy job), which might take a little more time, after that, packed with tons of information to be announced in Magisk Section, I'll release the long awaited update.

    Hope this lengthy post gives you the idea of the whole situation, and again thanks for all your support!!
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    Ah, some Chainfire bashing, I hope it is not too late for me to exercise additional villainy.

    First, let me make clear I have nothing against @topjohnwu, nor against Magisk. Magisk is an interesting project and it certainly displays @topjohnwu ingenuity and persistence. I don't doubt we will see more interesting things from his hands.

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    What has happened here is not all that dark and complicated, from either end. I returned from holidays, and someone pointed me at Magisk. My first thought: interesting!

    Among other things, the thread lists some issues with SuperSU, which in combination with the phrase The developer also requests users to not bug Chainfire with compatibility requests for SuperSU with Magisk from the portal article, raised my left eyebrow by nigh half an inch. The popular systemless xposed mod is apparently now based on it, and apparently it now no longer works with SuperSU, and apparently I'm not supposed to fix that, nor any of the other found issues. I found that a bit weird. So yes, I have told @topjohnwu that I was a bit surprised he was posting about issues with SuperSU without notifying me about them (I can't fix or help fix issues I'm not aware of, after all).

    He's also spreading a modified version of the SuperSU package, which is not all that uncommon, nor necessarily a problem. I have not looked into what he modified, I only ran a few quick tests on one of my devices, and found some commonly used commands run as root to be broken. I have informed him of this as well.

    It appears the tool of choice for Magisk is phh's Superuser, because of some of the mentioned issues with SuperSU. That's fine by itself, but fixing issues in that superuser by incorporating SuperSU's binaries into it is a somewhat questionable practise. After all, SuperSU is a commercial closed-source package that helps pay for my dinner, and superuser is a direct competitor. I have informed him that I was surprised he did this without asking for permission. I have expressed similar surprise on him spreading a modified version of LiveBoot (which helps pay for a snack now and then).
    @topjohnwu has also stated that Magisk's scripts are largely influenced by mine (I have not checked). Scripts based on mine are used all over the place on XDA, some people have crafted amazing things based on them, I have never made an issue of this (otherwise I would have just made them binaries). But yes, I have also stated to him that I don't think it's very nice to base something on one program, and then using that to (almost exclusively) push something directly competing with that program.

    tl;dr Towards @topjohnwu, I have:
    - expressed surprise he has issues getting Magisk to work with SuperSU, and has chosen not to inform me about those
    - expressed surprise he is using SuperSU binaries in a competing superuser without permission
    - expressed surprise he is posting a modified LiveBoot without permission
    - informed him of issues with the modified SuperSU he has posted
    - let him know I thought it wasn't very nice to be applying my scripts to benefit seemingly exclusively that same competing superuser

    To be crystal clear:
    - I have not asked for an apology
    - I have not asked for Magisk to be abandoned, neither the root hiding nor systemless module parts, and certainly not systemless xposed
    - I have not made an issue of any of this anywhere, until this post
    - I have not even specifically asked for anything to be taken down (though obviously in my opinion the other superuser package mixed with SuperSU's binaries, as well as the LiveBoot package, should go)
    - I have not reported this thread to XDA moderators for copyright violations or otherwise

    While my conversation with @topjohnwu may not win any awards for being friendly (though it may win some for brevity), I think all things considered my response has been rather mild. To be perfectly honest, until the apology post, I thought this was over with already. I think the apology post was triggered because I haven't replied to his last PM for a while - I was in the zone, it happens.

    To emphasize again, I have nothing against @topjohnwu, Magisk, or systemless xposed, and it is certainly not my goal to see any of them go. If it can be made to work together with SuperSU, great.

    I get it though: you think of something, you want to see if you can make it work, you finally get it to work, you publish it, it takes off - enthusiasm gets the better of you. Maybe in the rush some mistakes are made. That doesn't mean you have to just drop it and run. None of my stuff would make it past 0.1 if I stopped at the first big mistake :)

    Aside from said being in the zone coding, I usually regret actually responding to these sort of things the day after, which has made me hesitant to reply. Surprise me.
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    Thread temporarily closed so everyone sees this.

    The flood of "SafetyNet isn't working for me either!" posts are not helpful, at all. Please refrain from posting further, it will be looked into. Please do not forget that not passing SafetyNet is 100% NORMAL AND INTENDED when you have an unlocked booloader or running custom firmware. These are workarounds and they will be worked around in turn.

    The Flash
    Forum Moderator

    EDIT: Thread is reopened... I will be cleaning any SafetyNet posts for a while to keep the thread clean for real issues.
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    Hello everyone!

    I am aware that Google has updated Safety Net that makes Magisk itself a no go for Android Pay. In fact, I witnessed the change live while I am developing the new magiskhide, which should hide all Magisk modules and Magisk installed root.

    Google is serious about Safety Net now, clearly hunting down all possibility to run Xposed with Safety Net passed. I spend quite some time examining the new security measures last midnight, and fortunately it seems that it is possible to run Magisk and root along with Safety Net if no Xposed is running. I'm glad I removed the old root toggle at the right time lol, that is no longer feasible with the latest detection.

    So stay tuned for the next update, it will come with bug fixes, along with the new magiskhide to bypass that Safety Net.

    Google, how will a few systemless mods do any harm :p:p