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Please help me understand Magisk Alpha. Is this a Magisk Alpha - Public build?
Yes, checksum for app-release.apk is the same as when 25210 downloaded from the TG channel
But only the Readme, JSON for auto-updating and latest apk for download, no sources
I mentioned that, so did @zgfg... Who cares who said it first?...
Last Alpha with published source was July last year AFAIK... Source began to be linked from inaccessible (to public) LSPosed GitHub since Feb this year... That's inaccessible for month's in my book...
FWIW, I never reported you previously despite your allegations (a respected dev here did)... Now I am (first time)... PW
Ok.
So, the problem XDA Members are having with using this public build of Magisk Alpha is @vvb2060 or the creator of Magisk Alpha didn't post the source code.
Thanks for the clarification.
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You originally said:
This is still NOT true... At best, JSON in vv's Alpha GitHub repo points to official Canary notes, and Alpha does build Canary commits but it adds her experimental ones... always has... And lack of public source doesn't change that; ie. Alpha builds are a very different animal...
For example, recent builds incl latest 25210 include support for experimental (not publicly released) Shamiko v0.6-141. This simply won't run on TJW releases incl. latest Canary ATM... If you want to test early Shamiko you need Alpha...
Another big (and somewhat controversial) difference is that all Alpha builds include (Microsoft based) telemetry... Her pull request for this has been up in TJW Magisk for some time now, but John has never merged this in Canary builds... Yet...
So Alpha is basically Canary with additional (experimental) commits, and there is no published "Alpha Canary" but if there were it would be reasonable to expect it that would contain the unique Alpha commits too...
Many of vv's Alpha commits end up in TJW Magisk, as do commits from Shana's Metagisk and Canyie's Bravo as well as commits developed in other test branches from these Devs (most prolific) and from other forks/Devs also... PW
That's only the original (Chinese) Alpha Discussion thread, now name has changed but a number of members here are in that discussion... Builds aren't shared there however, only in the official Alpha channel...
Anyone can still join if they find the cryptic (musical) entrance link in the official Alpha TG channel...
PW
For those who might be confused is that the official Magisk Alpha GitHub source (wrong, it is not) and why its Readme Download links to the official Canary (yielding somebody to wrongly think that Alpha is nothing else but Magisk Canary)This is the Magsik Alpha. The links on this page link to Magisk Debug latest version. The code hasn't been updated but the links and where they are the same as canary/debug official build.
GitHub - CoderTyn/Magisk-Alpha
Contribute to CoderTyn/Magisk-Alpha development by creating an account on GitHub.github.com
Back then in the late summer of 2021, Magisk v23 was still the latest official version
However, TJW (developer and founder of Magisk), who started to work for Google some months earlier, with his peers (some of them are now Magisk Alpha developers) started to work on the new Magisk v24 with the brand new Zygisk, DenyList instead of MagiskHide, removed support for the old Modules Repo, etc
The new code was already committed to his GitHub repo (changes were ongoing) but the new Magisk Canary v24xxx had not been released yet (afaik, it was soon afterwards, during the fall of 2021)
Guys (actually girls or more appropriately, young ladies, students) from the Alpha group released their Magisk Alpha and for many of us here (who dared to install and use) that was the first experience with what would soon come with the new Magisk v24 (for a long time back then in 2021, Alpha provided the new Magisk+DenyList but also the alternative, the old MagiskHide instead)
Btw, that was also the reason why they probably chose the Alpha name - it was like an experimental, pre-release, earlier than the Magisk Canary (and Magisk Beta) v24 came out.
(Another viable theory: They thought of themselves as Alpha females
)And they had Magisk Alpha source code open on the GirHub (it remained open until the end of last year or so), and they themselves experimented with the new stuff through the Magisk Alpha installations, eg, developing/debugging modules like Zygisk-LSPosed (for that new Zygisk) and Shamiko (to hide Zygisk) - those modules were indeed developed and still maintained (btw, isn't Shamiko also closed source?!) from the same Alpha developers group
Hence somebody, that CoderThyn (sorry, I'm not familiar with that name but I think he was not part of Magisk nor Alpha development) forked their code
If you look to his GitHub project (you provided the link), you will see that it's frozen in time, 2 years old, last update Sep 2021 (screenshots below)
Btw, the same guy has another Alpha fork (the other screenshot below), 'newer' - albeit from Oct 2021
The Readme you see there is also frozen in time: Readme page (Alpha devs did not waste time on writing their own Readme.md but they reused TJW Readme from the official Magisk) - scroll down and you will see that it refers to v23 as the 'latest' Stable Magisk
(That old Readme had also a link to the Wiki - Wiki was recently removed since the author of Wiki is no more 'in' and does no more update his Wiki, although it would still be an excellent user guide for many)
All together, that GitHub link you provided is nothing else but the two years old fork of Magisk Alpha, frozen back in that time.
If you would fork yourself and build (assuming the source is complete there) you would obtain some Magisk Alpha v23xxx (as their version numbers were before Magisk v24 was released)
And the download link points to the (always the latest) official Canary since that's how it was in the Alpha Readme.md when CoderThyn forked Magisk Alpha back in Sep 2021 (again, once upon a time When the World Was New and Alpha was the open source)
Hence that GitHub project is not an up-to-date Magisk Alpha and its download link does not provide a link to download the Magisk Alpha (ie, when you click to 'his' Download and get the latest official Magisk Canary, it does not mean that Alpha = Canary - it is not and it never was)
Hopefully it resolves the confusion
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I have been using this link for current code changes.
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GitHub - topjohnwu/Magisk: The Magic Mask for Android
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Thank you, though that link is, of course, in the information thread and peppered all through this discussion thread so nothing newI have been using this link for current code changes.
GitHub - topjohnwu/Magisk: The Magic Mask for Android
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Users should be aware that official @kdrag0n fix is busted ATM however.... Use this fork:Also current changes for safetynet Fix
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https://github.com/Displax/safetynet-fix
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For the record. 
Any one using the CI builds or personal builds of Magisk.
Personal builds from the main branch.
Today's updates (20230322), fixed the installing and patching issues.
Magisk - Commits (master branch) - Link
Cheers.
Any one using the CI builds or personal builds of Magisk.
Personal builds from the main branch.
Today's updates (20230322), fixed the installing and patching issues.
Magisk - Commits (master branch) - Link
Cheers.
John was not part of that group. Quit spreading lies.
And to go even farther.
Canary= bleeding edge
Beta= almost stable
Official/alpha(term not app=stable
Hence husky using Delta name because Delta would be before Canary. Backwards alphabet like most projects. Idk where you think Alpha would before Canary. Read the GitHub she was using. She was pulling from the main branch and basically re-forking it with a commit or 2 changed from Canary. More than likely small things like package name and update channel. Literally above in John's own post from over a year ago he denounced them using that name. He didn't say anything about him being in it..if he did start it, why use that name and then call them out for using that name? I mean that sounds off. It's a good story though. She is a contributor, or was or whatever she is now. She flipped on being open source with Alpha. That is fact. Shared in a Chinese only TG. I wouldn't trust it. "Confusing."
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my magisk is "d52ea1b0-alpha:MAGISK:R (25210)"
how do I go back to the latest stable version?
thank you.
how do I go back to the latest stable version?
thank you.
Who is spreading the lies?
Who ever said here that John is part of the Alpha group?!
If you accuse anybody here that we are spreading lies - then link that post and quote particularly that sentence where it was 'said' that John is part of the Alpha group!!!
Or otherwise please stop spreading the lies (that somebody was saying here that John is part of the Alpha group)
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And about the lies - it's harsh word but you were the one who stated more than once in your previous posts that Alpha is just a Magisk Canary - wasn't that a 'lie'?
And btw, the Twitter post you attached is well known for many of us here - look into the Magisk general thread for about a year ago, it was posted there by @pndwal
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Folks, how about taking this to a PM exchange?
This is derailing this thread and you either agree to disagree or try a PM approach.
Thx for understanding.
Cheers,
mrjuniork
This is derailing this thread and you either agree to disagree or try a PM approach.
Thx for understanding.
Cheers,
mrjuniork
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Generally, in DenyList must be only apps you want to hide Magisk from them (banking apps and so)
And GMS (Google Play Services) - although, when using Zygisk and USNF, USNF will remove GMS from DenyList
If some banking apps still crash (or complain) although in DenyList, then they require additional treatment to hide Magisk, root, unlocked BL - USNF, Shamiko, maybe HMA, etc
Hence first, which apps do crash (and before that, remove 'normal' apps from DenyList if you have them, and reboot)1
Tnx mate for the reply.
1. I have no modules installed.
2. I have put just one app in denylist to demonstrate. Any app (all of them) in denylist will crash, so I can't use denylist at all :-( .
3. Magisk 25.2 works just fine, I don't even need to hide apps to pass safetynet. No crashes at all for apps in denylist!
Any ideas what's wrong ?1
No, I have no idea.(other than what I answered earlier).
And still no idea which app you tried in DenyList that it crashed
Btw, if you want to access developers (and give them the logs), you will need to submit an Issue to Magisk GitHub1
I ment 25.2, sorry mate you are correct.I'm confused by you Magisk versions... Old 5.2 and 6.1 don't even have denylist!... Not available till 24.0+...
Have you tried up to date Magisk?
PW
The one that crashes any app is 26.1.
Cheers1
Tried Canary?...
Strange issue (may be fixed already though)...
However denylist is not really for hiding, rather it's a development/testing tool...
Suggest using a proper hiding solution like Shamiko; uses denylist as hidelist for convenience (with DenyList actually disabled)... Much better hiding (akin to/improved on MagiskHide) and doesn't break Zygisk modules that inject into apps in deny/hidelist...
Personally I'd give Canary a shot first... You can't even make a GitHub issue without trying latest builds (nb. Canary release and Debug debug are synced builds)... PW -
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Others have already addressed your question, but for me, the biggest benefit here is to have a safety valve in place where your inactive slot is bootable (without first having to flash the firmware) in case you get into a hairy situation where your active slot becomes unbootable for whatever reason. May be useful in some situations.87
Thanks, I realize it is only needed for custom Kernel cases.
I should add extracting vbmeta from payload.bin then in addition to boot.img / init_boot.img so that the step can be performed if the options are selected.6Update:
On a Pixel 5 device, I managed to have both slots bootable.
One slot rooted, and the other not, both on the same 2023-05 firmware.
The process is as follows (which PF will support OOB in the next release)
- Sideload full OTA
- Reboot to bootloader
- Flash patched image.
- reboot to system (observe root)
- Sideload full OTA
- Reboot to System (no patching, observe no root)
- Switch slot (observe root)
With Pixel 5, one is able to make changes to boot after sideload but before reboot.
It still needs to be tested if this works on Pixel 6, 7 * devices
I find flashing full OTA is slower than flashing full factory, but the benefit of having both slots bootable is a big bonus.6
Your wish is my commandI think it would be good to support, and I posted disambiguation due to some confusion above.
Rather than being 'highly discouraged' (it's not; it's plum necessary
) patching recovery partition is actually the only option for most A-only devices launched with Android 9 (legacy SAR, circa 2018, 2019) other than Xiaomi models!
Hope you reconsider...
PW
Although with one caveat,
Yes I can tell if it is Ramdisk yes or no by running a script, but that requires unpacked Magisk, (for not rooted phone, I would need to unpack)
And although it is true that PF eventually unpacks to create a patch, but within the workflow, that stage is much later, and that stage is dependent on choices a user makes in the above screen.
Of course it could be worked out and workflow changed to automatically offer / not offer the choice.
Considering that the target audience is really minute if at all existent, specially considering that the tool has Pixel in its name, and people who have Pixel phone don't need it, and people who need them wouldn't be looking to tools for Pixel Phones ... lol
I decided the leave it up to the user the choice to have that option visible or not. (no auto detection)
The tooltip on option suggests not to turn it on unless ...
I hope that should be enough. -
1094This is the place for general support and discussion regarding "Public Releases", which includes both stable and beta releases.
All information, including troubleshoot guides and notes, are in the Announcement Thread156Hello, I haven't given much support on XDA lately. It can be resulted from
- University started and I have limited free time. In fact, I mostly develop during midnight
- I live in Taiwan, which has large time zone differences between my European/American contributors/testers, which usually forces me to stay up late at night to discuss/test stuffs.
- The new version is about to come, I don't want to spend effort on supporting old releases
New Forum!
As you might have already discovered, Magisk got its own subforum on XDA! Many thanks to all the support you gave me, and much more information/features/support is about to come!
**For developers supporting all the devices that are not using standard Android boot format, feel free to create threads in this section (actually, PLEASE do so) for your favorite devices after v7 is out. As I currently know, Asus devices require signing the boot image before flashing, and is model dependant; Sony devices seems to use ELF kernel that is unpatchable, or some has two ramdisks (inner + outer), both requires different workarounds; LG bootloader locked devices has to manually "BUMP" the boot image after flashing Magisk..... and there may be lots of other crazy boot image formats that haven't come up to my attention yet.
It is impossible for me to support all these non-standard boot images, and I hope the community can collaborate to make Magisk running across all the devices. Overall, community collaboration is what XDA about
The Pixel Phone
Some of you might already know this news, that the next Pixel Phone right around the corner seems like it does not have ramdisk in boot image, which pretty much wrecked Magisk in all ways. However, it pretty much doomed root itself too. Kernel modifications is inevitable IMO, so I'll try to migrate my scripts to C programs that could possibly be included into the kernel itself. Note that I'm not familiar with linux kernel, I'm not even sure if my idea and concept is correct or not. But once the device is available, I think developers will find a way to bypass all the difficulties, and I'll do my best to learn things
Current Progress
In the past month, I've spent quite some time learning SELinux, so that I can avoid using SuperSU's sepolicy patches. Thanks to the helps and tips from @phhusson and @Chainfire, I finally have a much clearer understanding of how SELinux works. The Magisk core parts (the scripts, boot image patches, new features, more supports) are actually done some time ago. What is causing all the delays is the Magisk Manager.
To be completely honest, although I can code in Java without much issues, Magisk Manager is actually my first Android application, I had to reach out for assistance, and fortunately awesome developers like @DVDandroid and @digitalhigh contributed a lot, which makes the current Manager awesome.
After the repo system and module management is mostly done, I was about to do some adjustments and release, but what we really done is decided to add another feature: auto-unroot with per-app settings. I decided to wait for it to be finished, and then do my adjustments. Due to reasons that'll be mentioned later, this feature will likely not be available for the next release (should come in future updates)
Safety Net Disaster
Those who are using Magisk for Safety Net bypass purposes must have known that Google recently updated the detection method of my Systemless Xposed. I still have no idea what Safety Net is detecting, so currently I cannot fix it on my side (also because I'm busy working on the next update). However, suhide developed by @Chainfire is able to hide Xposed and worked fine.
However, only my Systemless Xposed v86.2, which is based on SuperSU's su.d, is supported using that method. v86.2 and v86.5 (latest, Magisk based) have nearly identical binaries, and the only difference is the path where the binaries are stored.
I'm still not sure what's the real issue for it not being supported, I just hope it is not done intentionally.
Conclusion
Due to the fact that my Safety Net bypass is not 100% perfect now, I do not want to spend any more time waiting for auto-unroot to be polished. What I'm doing now is finishing up all the things I'd like to change in Magisk Manager (it has been a while since I last contributed to Manager, my fellow developers are doing all the heavy job), which might take a little more time, after that, packed with tons of information to be announced in Magisk Section, I'll release the long awaited update.
Hope this lengthy post gives you the idea of the whole situation, and again thanks for all your support!!121Ah, some Chainfire bashing, I hope it is not too late for me to exercise additional villainy.
First, let me make clear I have nothing against @topjohnwu, nor against Magisk. Magisk is an interesting project and it certainly displays @topjohnwu ingenuity and persistence. I don't doubt we will see more interesting things from his hands.
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What has happened here is not all that dark and complicated, from either end. I returned from holidays, and someone pointed me at Magisk. My first thought: interesting!
Among other things, the thread lists some issues with SuperSU, which in combination with the phrase The developer also requests users to not bug Chainfire with compatibility requests for SuperSU with Magisk from the portal article, raised my left eyebrow by nigh half an inch. The popular systemless xposed mod is apparently now based on it, and apparently it now no longer works with SuperSU, and apparently I'm not supposed to fix that, nor any of the other found issues. I found that a bit weird. So yes, I have told @topjohnwu that I was a bit surprised he was posting about issues with SuperSU without notifying me about them (I can't fix or help fix issues I'm not aware of, after all).
He's also spreading a modified version of the SuperSU package, which is not all that uncommon, nor necessarily a problem. I have not looked into what he modified, I only ran a few quick tests on one of my devices, and found some commonly used commands run as root to be broken. I have informed him of this as well.
It appears the tool of choice for Magisk is phh's Superuser, because of some of the mentioned issues with SuperSU. That's fine by itself, but fixing issues in that superuser by incorporating SuperSU's binaries into it is a somewhat questionable practise. After all, SuperSU is a commercial closed-source package that helps pay for my dinner, and superuser is a direct competitor. I have informed him that I was surprised he did this without asking for permission. I have expressed similar surprise on him spreading a modified version of LiveBoot (which helps pay for a snack now and then).
@topjohnwu has also stated that Magisk's scripts are largely influenced by mine (I have not checked). Scripts based on mine are used all over the place on XDA, some people have crafted amazing things based on them, I have never made an issue of this (otherwise I would have just made them binaries). But yes, I have also stated to him that I don't think it's very nice to base something on one program, and then using that to (almost exclusively) push something directly competing with that program.
tl;dr Towards @topjohnwu, I have:
- expressed surprise he has issues getting Magisk to work with SuperSU, and has chosen not to inform me about those
- expressed surprise he is using SuperSU binaries in a competing superuser without permission
- expressed surprise he is posting a modified LiveBoot without permission
- informed him of issues with the modified SuperSU he has posted
- let him know I thought it wasn't very nice to be applying my scripts to benefit seemingly exclusively that same competing superuser
To be crystal clear:
- I have not asked for an apology
- I have not asked for Magisk to be abandoned, neither the root hiding nor systemless module parts, and certainly not systemless xposed
- I have not made an issue of any of this anywhere, until this post
- I have not even specifically asked for anything to be taken down (though obviously in my opinion the other superuser package mixed with SuperSU's binaries, as well as the LiveBoot package, should go)
- I have not reported this thread to XDA moderators for copyright violations or otherwise
While my conversation with @topjohnwu may not win any awards for being friendly (though it may win some for brevity), I think all things considered my response has been rather mild. To be perfectly honest, until the apology post, I thought this was over with already. I think the apology post was triggered because I haven't replied to his last PM for a while - I was in the zone, it happens.
To emphasize again, I have nothing against @topjohnwu, Magisk, or systemless xposed, and it is certainly not my goal to see any of them go. If it can be made to work together with SuperSU, great.
I get it though: you think of something, you want to see if you can make it work, you finally get it to work, you publish it, it takes off - enthusiasm gets the better of you. Maybe in the rush some mistakes are made. That doesn't mean you have to just drop it and run. None of my stuff would make it past 0.1 if I stopped at the first big mistake
Aside from said being in the zone coding, I usually regret actually responding to these sort of things the day after, which has made me hesitant to reply. Surprise me.76Thread temporarily closed so everyone sees this.
The flood of "SafetyNet isn't working for me either!" posts are not helpful, at all. Please refrain from posting further, it will be looked into. Please do not forget that not passing SafetyNet is 100% NORMAL AND INTENDED when you have an unlocked booloader or running custom firmware. These are workarounds and they will be worked around in turn.
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EDIT: Thread is reopened... I will be cleaning any SafetyNet posts for a while to keep the thread clean for real issues.75Hello everyone!
I am aware that Google has updated Safety Net that makes Magisk itself a no go for Android Pay. In fact, I witnessed the change live while I am developing the new magiskhide, which should hide all Magisk modules and Magisk installed root.
Google is serious about Safety Net now, clearly hunting down all possibility to run Xposed with Safety Net passed. I spend quite some time examining the new security measures last midnight, and fortunately it seems that it is possible to run Magisk and root along with Safety Net if no Xposed is running. I'm glad I removed the old root toggle at the right time lol, that is no longer feasible with the latest detection.
So stay tuned for the next update, it will come with bug fixes, along with the new magiskhide to bypass that Safety Net.
Google, how will a few systemless mods do any harm
