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pndwal

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@zgfg, @pndwal: It may not be the bootloader that supports initrd. Some manufacturers might go to the trouble of deleting the kernel's ability to use an initrd.

As for the confusion about the meaning of "Ramdisk: No", someone could open an issue requesting that that entire block of information be more clearly labeled "State of system before Magisk tried to patch anything". Maybe also add an indication of where Magisk is installed. But please remember to use the proper template.
My understanding of this is that initrd and initramfs achieve much the same thing, but initramfs at an even earlier early stage, and also takes precedence over initrd.
https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/kernel-newbie-corner-initrd-and-initramfs-whats/

Both require bootloader support, and even if support is missing from kernel / boot image, this can be restored thru custom modification, eg Magisk actually adds such basic initramfs support where missing.

The very real problem is custom modders generally cannot add such support to bootloader where missing; that's the whole reason for Magisk in Recovery on such devices.

The confusion comes because by design (for good reason) the ramdisk flag (in Magisk app) shows the FACTORY state of support for ramdisk in boot image, and will show 'no' (despite the presence of ramdisk in recovery, and) even after ramdisk is manually added to boot image, and in fact is working on some devices:
Some Type III devices’ bootloader will still accept and provide initramfs that was manually added to the boot image to the kernel (e.g. some Xiaomi phones), but many device don’t (e.g. Samsung S10, Note 10). It solely depends on how the OEM implements its bootloader.

It is literally impossible for Magisk to know whether a device bootloader accepts ramdisk, so the assumption is to always inform the user to use recovery mode
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/issues/3239

I like your 'issue' suggestions, but I won't be doing this as John is already annoyed with 'bug' reports that are not really bugs, he already addressed the confusion problem in the issue cited above in October, explaining why ramdisk says 'no' even if added, and it seems any changes to this will be a very low priority for him.

Clearly, that clarification from John explains the reason ramdisk = yes ONLY for FACTORY ramdisk (and we just need to understand that); ie, even with ramdisk manually added and ramdisk = yes to indicate this, it will still likely be unusable, whereas ramdisk in recovery will work.

As I said earlier, there is now actually ramdisk in boot image; Magisk adds it! ... But this on its own DOES NOT mean it's usable... so Magisk simply reports if FACTORY ramdisk is present as this is the only one sure to work. (Factory ramdisk indicates compatible bootloader. Manually added ramdisk indicates nothing!) 👍 PW
 
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So i was avail to install magisk 22.0 and im rooted but sadly my dm-verity is now triggered and i learn my lesson read the changelog
 

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Does magisk --remove-modules disable the boot scripts in post-fs and service.d? These are a possible source of a bootloop also.

I can't quite remember currently, but I do believe that the adb command does not touch scripts in post-fs-data.d or service.d (I also currently can't remember if Safe Mode does, have to do some reading/testing later). Modules shouldn't be putting stuff there though, since that breaks encapsulation. Unfortunately a lot of modules do...

IMHBCO, since Magisk is such a powerful tool it is up to the module developers to make sure that it is possible for the user to recover if there are any issues. As an example, my MagiskHide Props Config module can be disabled or have it's settings reset by placing a specific file in the root of the device's internal storage. That way you can always recovery, even if the device can't boot with Magisk installed. Details (if anyone's interested):
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-R...README.md#device-issues-because-of-the-module

I have booted to safe mode using the long press on the reboot from within the ROM, but I have never used or heard of a button combination. It seems like a VERY logical option, but what is the combination? And I do understand it will be different on each phone.

Usually it is something along the lines of holding the power button until the OEM splash screen shows and then switching to holding volume down instead until your device boots into Safe Mode.
 

pndwal

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i've used this before but now that we have a OnePlus5 we have tried to use it. It seems to work with, for example, Titanium Backup alright. However i can't get "root" access for the ES-FileExplorer application. It goes through the motions and says that "root" access has been granted. Then, a couple of seconds later, it reports that it does not have root access.

i installed Magisk by downloading and using the file manager to find it and to "install" it. No problems reported.

Have a great day and stay safe!
Well, it says "Sorry, test failed. This feature cannot run on your phone", and I agree this seems to be due to inability to see su now, although the same failure used to occur when installed on adopted storage or other external memory.

Seems the problem is:
Some apps may have troubles detecting root when using Magisk. Usually this means the app in question is looking for root in a specific location and needs to be updated to work with MagiskSU or otherwise can’t detect MagiskSU. Contact the developer.
https://www.didgeridoohan.com/magisk/MagiskRootIssues

You could try 'symlinking the su binary to the location where the app is looking' as suggested, or, using another File Manager from store (grant root access and enable r/w) COPY /sbin/su to /system/xbin.

You may need to make a module to do this systemlessly if mounting system rw isn't possible, or to take future OTA updates, but still may fail to pass SafetyNet any longer.

For these reasons (due to lack of current support), and because of serious security implications revealed w/ ES Explorer - mentioned by @curiousrom - , I've also moved to other less obtrusive Root Explorers...

I like Total Commander and Root Explorer. Here's a few more:
https://www.androidauthority.com/file-manager-explorer-apps-android-279800/ PW
 
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I can't quite remember currently, but I do believe that the adb command does not touch scripts in post-fs-data.d or service.d (I also currently can't remember if Safe Mode does, have to do some reading/testing later). Modules shouldn't be putting stuff there though, since that breaks encapsulation. Unfortunately a lot of modules do...
the vanced I am running uses a boot script, in post fs data. Its been a while since I checked, but I have a vague memory that each module can contain a script specific to itself. I need to go back and read and re-learn if a module have either or both a post-fs-data and service.d.

IMHBCO, since Magisk is such a powerful tool it is up to the module developers to make sure that it is possible for the user to recover if there are any issues. As an example, my MagiskHide Props Config module can be disabled or have it's settings reset by placing a specific file in the root of the device's internal storage. That way you can always recovery, even if the device can't boot with Magisk installed. Details (if anyone's interested):
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-R...README.md#device-issues-because-of-the-module
Although a good idea, with some of the cool featiures, its hard to resist trying a module that does not. There is one for my phone that I really wish to use (it has a few features found in Xposed Gravitybox!), and hence my interest in recovering if it triggers a boot-loop. I think I will suggest something along these lines to the dev on the thread. But, I think it will be quicker for me to make my own "boot three times and then uninstall" script. I already have a template that i previously used on another module.

Usually it is something along the lines of holding the power button until the OEM splash screen shows and then switching to holding volume down instead until your device boots into Safe Mode.
I have only gone into safe mode on purpose once, to see what its about. And after all the config I lost, i have only accidentally done so since. But I have never accidentally done so using button combinations, and I have gone through all sorts of button combinations (accidentally). I just rebooted my current device, but backed out as i didn't want to loose my current config. I guess if I do get in a boot-loop, it will be worth a possible look. Maybe a question on my device specific thread/forum.

EDIT: someone just posted on that thread, how it caused their device to stall on boot...
 
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Hi, have a question.
Since my phone probably wouldn't flash new magisk from recovery (i tried yesterday for lineageos 17.1 rom, from official twrp and lineageos' twrp they suggest), when i have the boot file extracted from the rom, i need to patch it from the rom i intend to use it with, or any rom would do, it won't make a difference?
 

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I wanted to test Magisk 22 on my old Moto G 2014 running Aosp Extended (Android 7.1.2), unhid Magisk 20.4 and went to direct install. That didn´t work, nothing happened when pressing the button.
As I had no boot.img availabe at the moment I changed the ending of the apk to zip, booted into TWRP and tried to flash it.
I got an error message (sorry, I don´t remember the text) and now the device won´t boot anymore and the TWRP recovery seems to be gone too.
I only get to the Fastboot Flash Mode screen to select between

-Normal Powerup (goes back to Fastboot screen)
-Recovery (goes back to Fastboot screen)
-Factory
-Barcodes
-BP Tools
Underneath is the error message

Invalid boot image header
Fastboot Reason: Fall-through fron mot-charger boot mode
USB conncted


Usb is conncted as I tried to flash or boot into TWRP by fastboot, results in the following error:

Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash recovery twrp-3.4.0-0-titan.img

(bootloader) has-slot:recovery: not found

(bootloader) is-logical:recovery: not found

Sending 'recovery' (8192 KB)                       OKAY [  0.290s]

Writing 'recovery'                                 OKAY [  0.400s]

Finished. Total time: 0.743s

I´m a bit rusty regarding those errors so any help is appreciated .
As this is my testing device every way would be ok for me, restoring a backup or anything else but as long as I can´t boot or flash into TWRP it seems I´m stuck at the moment.

Edit: Extrcted a boot.img from the AEX firmware I´m running and tried to boot into it, error message:
Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash boot boot.img

(bootloader) has-slot:boot: not found

(bootloader) is-logical:boot: not found

Sending 'boot' (8592 KB)                           OKAY [  0.310s]

Writing 'boot'                                     OKAY [  0.418s]
Finished. Total time: 0.801s

and see attached screenshot.
 

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I wanted to test Magisk 22 on my old Moto G 2014 running Aosp Extended (Android 7.1.2), unhid Magisk 20.4 and went to direct install. That didn´t work, nothing happened when pressing the button.

........snip

EDIT:
I was able to flash a boot.img , now I can boot into the OS (unrooted). Next step will be patching the boot.img and trying to reflash TWRP I think.
 
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pndwal

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I wanted to test Magisk 22 on my old Moto G 2014 running Aosp Extended (Android 7.1.2), unhid Magisk 20.4 and went to direct install. That didn´t work, nothing happened when pressing the button.
As I had no boot.img availabe at the moment I changed the ending of the apk to zip, booted into TWRP and tried to flash it.
I got an error message (sorry, I don´t remember the text) and now the device won´t boot anymore and the TWRP recovery seems to be gone too.
I only get to the Fastboot Flash Mode screen to select between

-Normal Powerup (goes back to Fastboot screen)
-Recovery (goes back to Fastboot screen)
-Factory
-Barcodes
-BP Tools
Underneath is the error message

Invalid boot image header
Fastboot Reason: Fall-through fron mot-charger boot mode
USB conncted


Usb is conncted as I tried to flash or boot into TWRP by fastboot, results in the following error:

Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash recovery twrp-3.4.0-0-titan.img

(bootloader) has-slot:recovery: not found

(bootloader) is-logical:recovery: not found

Sending 'recovery' (8192 KB)                       OKAY [  0.290s]

Writing 'recovery'                                 OKAY [  0.400s]

Finished. Total time: 0.743s

I´m a bit rusty regarding those errors so any help is appreciated .
As this is my testing device every way would be ok for me, restoring a backup or anything else but as long as I can´t boot or flash into TWRP it seems I´m stuck at the moment.

Edit: Extrcted a boot.img from the AEX firmware I´m running and tried to boot into it, error message:
Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash boot boot.img

(bootloader) has-slot:boot: not found

(bootloader) is-logical:boot: not found

Sending 'boot' (8592 KB)                           OKAY [  0.310s]

Writing 'boot'                                     OKAY [  0.418s]
Finished. Total time: 0.801s

and see attached screenshot.
This has happened to a number of us w/ this update. Corruption of boot image occurs when no activity occurs when doing direct update or patching image. Fixed easily by fastboot flashing working boot image (I used a previously used Magisk patched one).
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84544473

Later, I tried patching and direct update from 22001 again, and this time it worked fine... Still a bit baffled by that.
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84550967

Not sure why your TWRP seems corrupted, but looks like boot.img flashing may fail only due to some corruption (from screenshot)...

Keep trying! PW

Edit: See you succeeded w/ boot image. Great...

You haven't got a previously patched / working boot image to flash from same ROM? - easy way to get root back!

Otherwise, try patching image only. If no freeze now direct update should work also, but you may want to patch / flash manually to avoid a repeat. PW

PW
 
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This has happened to a number of us w/ this update. Corruption of boot image occurs when no activity occurs when doing direct update or patching image. Fixed easily by fastboot flashing working boot image (I used a previously used Magisk patched one).
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84544473

Later, I tried patching and direct update from 22001 again, and this time it worked fine... Still a bit baffled by that.
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84550967

Not sure why your TWRP seems corrupted, but looks like boot.img flashing may fail only due to some corruption (from screenshot)...

Keep trying! PW

Edit: See you succeeded w/ boot image. Great... Did TWRP come right? PW
Just booted into OS and am going to flash the boot.img.
Than I will check the TWRP status.
EDIT: TWRP is back too.
Thx for your help.(y)
 
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I just updated to Magisk 22.0 and now Netflix install but doesn't open. Am I the only one ?
Redmi note 9S rom Xiaomi.EU Android 10 MIUI 12.0.3
I tried to install older version of Netflix without success.
Safetynet pass

Any idea?
Thank you
Working fine for me on 22001 (identical to public 22.0). Redmi Note 8T, stock ROM.

Have you selected app in MagiskHide list also? And check Google Play Services is selected too.

Also check that Playstore Settings Play Protect says Device is certified. If not, clear PlayStore Data.

Next, Toggle MagiskHide off and on again in Magisk app Settings (sometimes helps). Reboot. Check if root is detected now. If still detected, clear App data and check again.

If still detected, many more tips here:
https://www.didgeridoohan.com/magisk/MagiskHide PW
 

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This has happened to a number of us w/ this update. Corruption of boot image occurs when no activity occurs when doing direct update or patching image. Fixed easily by fastboot flashing working boot image (I used a previously used Magisk patched one).
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84544473

Later, I tried patching and direct update from 22001 again, and this time it worked fine... Still a bit baffled by that.
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84550967

Not sure why your TWRP seems corrupted, but looks like boot.img flashing may fail only due to some corruption (from screenshot)...

Keep trying! PW

Edit: See you succeeded w/ boot image. Great...

You haven't got a previously patched / working boot image to flash from same ROM? - easy way to get root back!

Otherwise, try patching image only. If no freeze now direct update should work also, but you may want to patch / flash manually to avoid a repeat. PW

PW

Was able to patch a boot.img with Magisk 22.0 (22000)(18) stable and flash it by fastboot.
Still no root (installed (n/a).....
No older patched img available, was the first time I used this method on that device.
Should I try the procedure with 22001 ?
I could downgrade to 21.4 but I´m curious now.......

Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash boot magisk_patched_v2LUN.img
(bootloader) has-slot:boot: not found
(bootloader) is-logical:boot: not found
Sending 'boot' (9072 KB)                           OKAY [  0.317s]
Writing 'boot'                                     OKAY [  0.333s]
Finished. Total time: 0.695s
 
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pndwal

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Was able to patch a boot.img with Magisk 22.0 (22000)(18) stable and flash it by fastboot.
Still no root (installed (n/a).....
No older patched img available, was the first time I used this method on that device.
Should I try the procedure with 22001 ?
I could downgrade to 21.4 but I´m curious now.......

Code:
C:\Mini ADB and Fastboot>fastboot flash boot magisk_patched_v2LUN.img
(bootloader) has-slot:boot: not found
(bootloader) is-logical:boot: not found
Sending 'boot' (9072 KB)                           OKAY [  0.317s]
Writing 'boot'                                     OKAY [  0.333s]
Finished. Total time: 0.695s
Did you have hidden Magisk app when upgrading? See release Notes:
https://xdaforums.com/t/magisk-general-support-discussion.3432382/post-84543421 PW
 
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Hey all, I recently flashed LineageOS 17.1 to my Galaxy S5, (SM-G900W8) and am now attempting to root with Magisk using TWRP (v3.5.0). Upon installing the Magisk manager app I noticed that it now says SAR: yes, whereas when I had rooted previously (Android 6.0.1) it said SAR: no. The official installation page has special instructions for rooting Samsung devices with SAR, so just wondering if I should follow a different procedure than usual or if it doesn't matter since I'm using a custom recovery to flash the root/running Lineage. Thanks!

Update: Decided to just go for it and flash the root since the instructions for Samsung devices with SAR didn't seem to apply to devices with custom ROMs. All went well!
 
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    I actually updated the app from the app itself before doing my OTA upgrade so it get the version 27 of magisk, I tried installing that one again I had in my downloaded folder. But I also downloaded again the app from github.

    I do have root, I've modified the boot file with magisk, so I'm not sure what to do now. I'll try installing an older version. But as you see of the screenshot from app manager, I don't know how the app is installed and removed almost immediately. At first I thought it was caused by an android 14 new security change.
    Run magisk -c from adb shell and see what version it reports.
    Then uninstall every copy of magisk app,
    You have more than one (including possibly a hidden one)
    Then reboot and install magisk app matching the version reported by magisk -c command.
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    I'm now having a problem hiding the TJW Magisk 27002 app ...

    I finally was able to resurrect my old Pixel 5. It's running stock A11 and was running TJW Magisk 26004 with no problem.

    The Magisk manager was showing that the upgrade to 27002 was ready for installation, and so I did the following:

    (1) Unhide Magisk
    (2) Update Magisk (27002 was listed)
    (3) After Magisk manager restarted, I did Direct Update to 27002, including reboot
    (4) Magisk 27002 indeed came up properly after reboot.
    (5) Tried to perform Hide The Magisk App.

    I entered the arbitrary name for hiding, and I clicked "OK". But the hiding never took place.

    I rebooted again, to see if perhaps that's necessary, and I repeated the hiding attempt by adding the same arbitrary name, and I again clicked "OK". But the hiding still didn't take place.

    I searched my device, and there is no app nor shortcut with that arbitrary name. I also tried other, different arbitrary names, but after clicking "OK", the hiding still didn't take place for any name I chose.

    What am I missing?
    Known issue. A fix has been merged. You can use the Debug app, revert back to 27001 or wait until 27003 is released.

    EDIT: Ninja'd 🙃
    4
    Is the Magisk 27001 APK/zip still available anywhere? I'd like to downgrade, but I can only find 27000 on Github and 27002 via update. I don't want to go to Canary in case the mounting changes break anything, or Debug as I hear the extra logging etc. causes performance issues (correct me if I'm wrong).
    Only v27000 is Stable. (and Beta). v27001 and v27002 are Canary or Debug

    Set your Update Channel to Stable and you will see (just like you can see also on GitHub) that latest Stable is v27000, there was never Stable v27001 or v27002

    Generally, Stable is always Nx100

    So, you cannot downgrade to Stable v27001 but Canary v27001 should be just like Stable v27000 (same codebase). That's also the general policy, whenever Nx100 Stable is released, then immediately comes Canary Nx100 +1, on the same code-base

    Therefore, downgrade to Stable v27000 instead
    4
    Direct Install with recovery mode checked worked for me. You were right.

    After I flashed wrong CSC firmware my baseband and EMEIs disappeared. Now I have updated bootloader and I cant to flash original CSC firmware anymore. Any ideas how to restore baseband, EMEIs or it is too late?
    Yep, I told you several times that you need Recovery mode (selected) for your Ramdisk=No device; instructions for this are also clear in official Installation Instruction page too, but apparently you have not been trying to follow official instructions, so it's no real surprise you've messed up firmware too... Please take *extra* care when modding as there are simply so many variables and pitfalls! 😬

    Are you flashing patched AP (Application Processor binary) along with all the other package binaries (X4?) for your S10+ (also in Magisk Installation page, Samsung section)??

    CP is Cellular Processor (Nb. Oft repeated references to CP as 'core processor' may be misleading) binary package (also referred to as Baseband Modem) so that should have fixed mismatched baseband etc... correct CSC (Consumer Software Customization; region, APN and carrier specific software packages/settings) and even BL (Bootloader) are most likely also important...

    Nb. BL doesn't always update bootloader version, but if later firmware has been flashed be aware that these can also cause anti-roll back version for bootloader to be incremented (in the event that an update patches serious vulns) so you original firmware may be blocked and you may need to use later packages only...

    If flashing latest complete firmware package via Odin doesn't fix your IMEI / baseband issues it may be that you've messed with partitions that contain unique device values in the past... You may need to ask in Galaxy, S10 or S10+ XDA forums for that. 🤠 PW
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    I'm now having a problem hiding the TJW Magisk 27002 app ...

    I finally was able to resurrect my old Pixel 5. It's running stock A11 and was running TJW Magisk 26004 with no problem.

    The Magisk manager was showing that the upgrade to 27002 was ready for installation, and so I did the following:

    (1) Unhide Magisk
    (2) Update Magisk (27002 was listed)
    (3) After Magisk manager restarted, I did Direct Update to 27002, including reboot
    (4) Magisk 27002 indeed came up properly after reboot.
    (5) Tried to perform Hide The Magisk App.

    I entered the arbitrary name for hiding, and I clicked "OK". But the hiding never took place.

    I rebooted again, to see if perhaps that's necessary, and I repeated the hiding attempt by adding the same arbitrary name, and I again clicked "OK". But the hiding still didn't take place.

    I searched my device, and there is no app nor shortcut with that arbitrary name. I also tried other, different arbitrary names, but after clicking "OK", the hiding still didn't take place for any name I chose.

    What am I missing?
    Known problem with 27002, the debug version doesn't have the problem with hiding, read back to see the discussion about it
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    I actually updated the app from the app itself before doing my OTA upgrade so it get the version 27 of magisk, I tried installing that one again I had in my downloaded folder. But I also downloaded again the app from github.

    I do have root, I've modified the boot file with magisk, so I'm not sure what to do now. I'll try installing an older version. But as you see of the screenshot from app manager, I don't know how the app is installed and removed almost immediately. At first I thought it was caused by an android 14 new security change.
    Run magisk -c from adb shell and see what version it reports.
    Then uninstall every copy of magisk app,
    You have more than one (including possibly a hidden one)
    Then reboot and install magisk app matching the version reported by magisk -c command.
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    This is the place for general support and discussion regarding "Public Releases", which includes both stable and beta releases.
    All information, including troubleshoot guides and notes, are in the Announcement Thread
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    Hello, I haven't given much support on XDA lately. It can be resulted from
    • University started and I have limited free time. In fact, I mostly develop during midnight
    • I live in Taiwan, which has large time zone differences between my European/American contributors/testers, which usually forces me to stay up late at night to discuss/test stuffs.
    • The new version is about to come, I don't want to spend effort on supporting old releases
    The planned update is delayed again and again, to some point I think I'll shed some light about what has been happening lately, also along with some announcements.

    New Forum!
    As you might have already discovered, Magisk got its own subforum on XDA! Many thanks to all the support you gave me, and much more information/features/support is about to come!
    **For developers supporting all the devices that are not using standard Android boot format, feel free to create threads in this section (actually, PLEASE do so) for your favorite devices after v7 is out. As I currently know, Asus devices require signing the boot image before flashing, and is model dependant; Sony devices seems to use ELF kernel that is unpatchable, or some has two ramdisks (inner + outer), both requires different workarounds; LG bootloader locked devices has to manually "BUMP" the boot image after flashing Magisk..... and there may be lots of other crazy boot image formats that haven't come up to my attention yet.
    It is impossible for me to support all these non-standard boot images, and I hope the community can collaborate to make Magisk running across all the devices. Overall, community collaboration is what XDA about :D

    The Pixel Phone
    Some of you might already know this news, that the next Pixel Phone right around the corner seems like it does not have ramdisk in boot image, which pretty much wrecked Magisk in all ways. However, it pretty much doomed root itself too. Kernel modifications is inevitable IMO, so I'll try to migrate my scripts to C programs that could possibly be included into the kernel itself. Note that I'm not familiar with linux kernel, I'm not even sure if my idea and concept is correct or not. But once the device is available, I think developers will find a way to bypass all the difficulties, and I'll do my best to learn things ;)

    Current Progress
    In the past month, I've spent quite some time learning SELinux, so that I can avoid using SuperSU's sepolicy patches. Thanks to the helps and tips from @phhusson and @Chainfire, I finally have a much clearer understanding of how SELinux works. The Magisk core parts (the scripts, boot image patches, new features, more supports) are actually done some time ago. What is causing all the delays is the Magisk Manager.
    To be completely honest, although I can code in Java without much issues, Magisk Manager is actually my first Android application, I had to reach out for assistance, and fortunately awesome developers like @DVDandroid and @digitalhigh contributed a lot, which makes the current Manager awesome.
    After the repo system and module management is mostly done, I was about to do some adjustments and release, but what we really done is decided to add another feature: auto-unroot with per-app settings. I decided to wait for it to be finished, and then do my adjustments. Due to reasons that'll be mentioned later, this feature will likely not be available for the next release (should come in future updates)

    Safety Net Disaster
    Those who are using Magisk for Safety Net bypass purposes must have known that Google recently updated the detection method of my Systemless Xposed. I still have no idea what Safety Net is detecting, so currently I cannot fix it on my side (also because I'm busy working on the next update). However, suhide developed by @Chainfire is able to hide Xposed and worked fine.
    However, only my Systemless Xposed v86.2, which is based on SuperSU's su.d, is supported using that method. v86.2 and v86.5 (latest, Magisk based) have nearly identical binaries, and the only difference is the path where the binaries are stored.
    I'm still not sure what's the real issue for it not being supported, I just hope it is not done intentionally.

    Conclusion
    Due to the fact that my Safety Net bypass is not 100% perfect now, I do not want to spend any more time waiting for auto-unroot to be polished. What I'm doing now is finishing up all the things I'd like to change in Magisk Manager (it has been a while since I last contributed to Manager, my fellow developers are doing all the heavy job), which might take a little more time, after that, packed with tons of information to be announced in Magisk Section, I'll release the long awaited update.

    Hope this lengthy post gives you the idea of the whole situation, and again thanks for all your support!!
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    Ah, some Chainfire bashing, I hope it is not too late for me to exercise additional villainy.

    First, let me make clear I have nothing against @topjohnwu, nor against Magisk. Magisk is an interesting project and it certainly displays @topjohnwu ingenuity and persistence. I don't doubt we will see more interesting things from his hands.

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    What has happened here is not all that dark and complicated, from either end. I returned from holidays, and someone pointed me at Magisk. My first thought: interesting!

    Among other things, the thread lists some issues with SuperSU, which in combination with the phrase The developer also requests users to not bug Chainfire with compatibility requests for SuperSU with Magisk from the portal article, raised my left eyebrow by nigh half an inch. The popular systemless xposed mod is apparently now based on it, and apparently it now no longer works with SuperSU, and apparently I'm not supposed to fix that, nor any of the other found issues. I found that a bit weird. So yes, I have told @topjohnwu that I was a bit surprised he was posting about issues with SuperSU without notifying me about them (I can't fix or help fix issues I'm not aware of, after all).

    He's also spreading a modified version of the SuperSU package, which is not all that uncommon, nor necessarily a problem. I have not looked into what he modified, I only ran a few quick tests on one of my devices, and found some commonly used commands run as root to be broken. I have informed him of this as well.

    It appears the tool of choice for Magisk is phh's Superuser, because of some of the mentioned issues with SuperSU. That's fine by itself, but fixing issues in that superuser by incorporating SuperSU's binaries into it is a somewhat questionable practise. After all, SuperSU is a commercial closed-source package that helps pay for my dinner, and superuser is a direct competitor. I have informed him that I was surprised he did this without asking for permission. I have expressed similar surprise on him spreading a modified version of LiveBoot (which helps pay for a snack now and then).
    @topjohnwu has also stated that Magisk's scripts are largely influenced by mine (I have not checked). Scripts based on mine are used all over the place on XDA, some people have crafted amazing things based on them, I have never made an issue of this (otherwise I would have just made them binaries). But yes, I have also stated to him that I don't think it's very nice to base something on one program, and then using that to (almost exclusively) push something directly competing with that program.

    tl;dr Towards @topjohnwu, I have:
    - expressed surprise he has issues getting Magisk to work with SuperSU, and has chosen not to inform me about those
    - expressed surprise he is using SuperSU binaries in a competing superuser without permission
    - expressed surprise he is posting a modified LiveBoot without permission
    - informed him of issues with the modified SuperSU he has posted
    - let him know I thought it wasn't very nice to be applying my scripts to benefit seemingly exclusively that same competing superuser

    To be crystal clear:
    - I have not asked for an apology
    - I have not asked for Magisk to be abandoned, neither the root hiding nor systemless module parts, and certainly not systemless xposed
    - I have not made an issue of any of this anywhere, until this post
    - I have not even specifically asked for anything to be taken down (though obviously in my opinion the other superuser package mixed with SuperSU's binaries, as well as the LiveBoot package, should go)
    - I have not reported this thread to XDA moderators for copyright violations or otherwise

    While my conversation with @topjohnwu may not win any awards for being friendly (though it may win some for brevity), I think all things considered my response has been rather mild. To be perfectly honest, until the apology post, I thought this was over with already. I think the apology post was triggered because I haven't replied to his last PM for a while - I was in the zone, it happens.

    To emphasize again, I have nothing against @topjohnwu, Magisk, or systemless xposed, and it is certainly not my goal to see any of them go. If it can be made to work together with SuperSU, great.

    I get it though: you think of something, you want to see if you can make it work, you finally get it to work, you publish it, it takes off - enthusiasm gets the better of you. Maybe in the rush some mistakes are made. That doesn't mean you have to just drop it and run. None of my stuff would make it past 0.1 if I stopped at the first big mistake :)

    Aside from said being in the zone coding, I usually regret actually responding to these sort of things the day after, which has made me hesitant to reply. Surprise me.
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    Thread temporarily closed so everyone sees this.

    The flood of "SafetyNet isn't working for me either!" posts are not helpful, at all. Please refrain from posting further, it will be looked into. Please do not forget that not passing SafetyNet is 100% NORMAL AND INTENDED when you have an unlocked booloader or running custom firmware. These are workarounds and they will be worked around in turn.

    The Flash
    Forum Moderator

    EDIT: Thread is reopened... I will be cleaning any SafetyNet posts for a while to keep the thread clean for real issues.
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    Hello everyone!

    I am aware that Google has updated Safety Net that makes Magisk itself a no go for Android Pay. In fact, I witnessed the change live while I am developing the new magiskhide, which should hide all Magisk modules and Magisk installed root.

    Google is serious about Safety Net now, clearly hunting down all possibility to run Xposed with Safety Net passed. I spend quite some time examining the new security measures last midnight, and fortunately it seems that it is possible to run Magisk and root along with Safety Net if no Xposed is running. I'm glad I removed the old root toggle at the right time lol, that is no longer feasible with the latest detection.

    So stay tuned for the next update, it will come with bug fixes, along with the new magiskhide to bypass that Safety Net.

    Google, how will a few systemless mods do any harm :p:p