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rodken

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you don't need to factory reset you can flash the alpha patched boot img ontop your existing boot img
or flash in twrp works as well
I guess the key is to ensure that I patch the original boot image and not some generic version that I found laying around in my cloud backup.
 

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I guess the key is to ensure that I patch the original boot image and not some generic version that I found laying around in my cloud backup.
If you have TWRP, you can patch (without renaming or so) the TWRP backup boot.emmc.win

You can also save your patched img for e.g. Alpha 25 and later repatch by Alpha 27, etc
 
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I saw you guys did some testing on the mysterious reinstallation of an uninstalled Magisk app on a reboot. I present you with the changelog for Magisk v16.6:
[Daemon] Check whether a valid Magisk Manager is installed on boot, if not, install stub APK embedded in magiskinit
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I saw you guys did some testing on the mysterious reinstallation of an uninstalled Magisk app on a reboot. I present you with the changelog for Magisk v16.6:

:p
And yet, I have Magisk 20.3 and I remember having to install the manager when I booted after installing and wiping data.

Then again, it took me quite a few tries to hit that "almost recovery" boot. And the installation notes specificallly said "the Magisk app might already be installed, it might not; if it's not just install it." [not a real quote]

I suppose now I need to track down the post where I told someone that not finding a Magisk Manager app already installed was not a reason to regard the latest "boot towards recovery" attempt as a failure. (just count the "not"s and reduce mod 2)
 

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Everything is about Magisk alpha at the moment. Is regular version "dead"?
It was discussed a lot here about John been hired by Google and the unknown situation with future Magisk releases

Also, do you see any release of Stable or Canary (Canary used to be updated every few weeks) after the v23 cca three months ago
 
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It was discussed a lot here about John been hired by Google and the unknown situation with future Magisk releases

Also, do you see any release of Stable or Canary (Canary used to be updated every few weeks) after the v23 cca three months ago
afaik it's all v23 alpha is v23 with some bug fixes it's probably more stable then the stable release at least for some devices
 

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Is Magisk compatible with Android 11?

Please before asking, follow the conversation in the thread and/or search through the thread (XDA rules)

You would find tons of posts here mentioning Android 11 (A11), officially supported since v23 (take a look also to Release Notes from Github)
 
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Is Magisk compatible with Android 11?
Do a Search and you will find MANY posts about A11 - e.g., I'm on A11 and many time mentioned that in the context of using Magisk and posting about

Go back to the times of releasing Magisk v23 and read the posts also there (Release notes, users with Pixel, etc)
 
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Do a Search and you will find MANY posts about A11 - e.g., I'm on A11 and many time mentioned that in the context of using Magisk and posting about

Go back to the times of releasing Magisk v23 and read the posts also there (Release notes, users with Pixel, etc)
Mate, he was trying to help as you did quote the wrong user (ie should be post / poster he linked). PW
 

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I seems to be having issues with LSPosed and Magisk:

all of a sudden started having a similar problem as yours -

I am using Redmi Note 10 5G, bootloader unlock and rooted with Magisk v23 and -

- installed (from within Magisk v23) - Riru v25.4.4.r26
- then installed (from within Magisk v23) Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803)

- then installed these apks as normal ie outside Magisk:-
-> eu.faircode.xlua_v131_134273.apk
-> GravityBox_R_11.0.4.apk

and for about a month everything was working find but yesterday the phone started taking a bit longer to startup and after a while investigating why i neticed when i go into the Lsposed Manager (auto-installed when Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803) was install) it was saying in blue background and white text, at the top of screen (see pic below):-

"Not installed
LSPosed is not installed
"

and at the bottom of the screen, in black background and white text

"LSPosed is not currently installed or active"

the problem is when i go to Magisk modules, Lsposed is showing as installed and activated

I have tried removing both "Riru v25.4.4.r26" as well as "Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803)" individually and restarting and re-installing them both again and one at a time from within Magisk modules but to no avail, still having the delay re-starting of the phone and sometimes its stays on the MIUI screening flashing slightly until i force restart it.

The interesting thing also is, i have the same setup montioned on another exact same phone and that's working fine with only a slight difference, Magisk v23 on the phone that having the issue is
showing:

Installed: 23.0 (23000) (21)
Package: mz.zr

but on the phone thats everything is fine, Magisk v23 is showing:

Installed:
23.0 (23000) (21)
Package: y.qdyuoa

any help or comment anyone? :unsure:


re-LSP-2.png re-LSP-1.png
 
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I seems to be having issues with LSPosed and Magisk:

all of a sudden started having a similar problem as yours -

I am using Redmi Note 10 5G, bootloader unlock and rooted with Magisk v23 and -

- installed (from within Magisk v23) - Riru v25.4.4.r26
- then installed (from within Magisk v23) Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803)

- then installed these apks as normal ie outside Magisk:-
-> eu.faircode.xlua_v131_134273.apk
-> GravityBox_R_11.0.4.apk

and for about a month everything was working find but yesterday the phone started taking a bit longer to startup and after a while investigating why i neticed when i go into the Lsposed Manager (auto-installed when Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803) was install) it was saying in blue background and white text, at the top of screen (see pic below):-

"Not installed
LSPosed is not installed
"

and at the bottom of the screen, in black background and white text

"LSPosed is not currently installed or active"

the problem is when i go to Magisk modules, Lsposed is showing as installed and activated

I have tried removing both "Riru v25.4.4.r26" as well as "Riru - LSposed v1.4.7 (5803)" individually and restarting and re-installing them both again and one at a time from within Magisk modules but to no avail, still having the delay re-starting of the phone and sometimes its stays on the MIUI screening flashing slightly until i force restart it.

The interesting thing also is, i have the same setup montioned on another exact same phone and that's working fine with only a slight difference, Magisk v23 on the phone that having the issue is
showing:

Installed: 23.0 (23000) (21)
Package: mz.zr

but on the phone thats everything is fine, Magisk v23 is showing:

Installed: 23.0 (23000) (21)
Package: y.qdyuoa

any help or comment anyone? :unsure:


View attachment 5372405 View attachment 5372407
please share magisk log and lsposed log if available
my guess is selinux issue
 
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please share magisk log and lsposed log if available
my guess is selinux issue
hiya, thanks for responding, log file for magisk is attached but cant get the log file for LSPosed as whenh one get into the LSPosed manage there is no log file as clicking on logs just shows "LSPosed is not currently installed or active" even though its showing installed and activated in Magisk modules.

you say your guess is selinux issue - how do i go about investigating that and or fix it pls? :unsure:
 
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    UPDATE: I got it to work by extracting and flashing the stock boot.img and recovery.img via odin. I guess that's a dirty fix and IDK why this worked and flashing the whole stock rom didn't
    If you flashed a stock ROM, you effectively uninstalled Magisk, except for the /data/adb directory.
    Ii'll check that folder (if I can install TWRP or something) in order to clean up, but my goal now is to reroot it.
    Did the flashing of the stock ROM involve doing a "factory reset / wipe data"?
    No, but, I did one factory reset from Android's configuration menu in order to clean up, set up the phone and debloat it (I bought it used). It worked afterwards but I screwed up when debloating so then I did the stock rom flash.
    If you have a problem after trying to reinstall Magisk, the things to check are:
    • did you patch and flash the right file?
    • did you change the version of Magisk?
    • did you change the version of Android?
    I'll keep that in mind when I try to reroot.
    Thanks for your response!
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    UPDATE: I got it to work by extracting and flashing the stock boot.img and recovery.img via odin. I guess that's a dirty fix and IDK why this worked and flashing the whole stock rom didn't
    Keep in mind that official instructions still state:

    Important Notes​

    • Never, ever try to restore either boot, init_boot, recovery, or vbmeta partitions back to stock! You can brick your device by doing so, and the only way to recover from this is to do a full Odin restore with data wipe.
    • To upgrade your device with a new firmware, NEVER directly use the stock AP tar file with reasons mentioned above. Always patch AP in the Magisk app and use that instead.
    although I know many Sammy users have been able to recover from this mistake without wiping data... Seems you've put your finger on the working method for your device... Not sure if trick would work for any Samsung device however, but may be useful for others...

    Take care with upgrades in future! 😉

    Ii'll check that folder (if I can install TWRP or something) in order to clean up, but my goal now is to reroot it.
    If goal is to reroot, you can leave configuration as-is... Only modules that become incompatible with later Android versions may cause bootloop, but normally the previous Magisk configuration files are OK... If you want to force a configuration rebuild (restore clean Magisk, no modules, superuser list, DenyList etc) after installation, just delete everything in /data/adb after rooted with a root explorer and reboot; configuration files will then be rebuilt.

    🤠 PW
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    I'm now having a problem hiding the TJW Magisk 27002 app ...

    I finally was able to resurrect my old Pixel 5. It's running stock A11 and was running TJW Magisk 26004 with no problem.

    The Magisk manager was showing that the upgrade to 27002 was ready for installation, and so I did the following:

    (1) Unhide Magisk
    (2) Update Magisk (27002 was listed)
    (3) After Magisk manager restarted, I did Direct Update to 27002, including reboot
    (4) Magisk 27002 indeed came up properly after reboot.
    (5) Tried to perform Hide The Magisk App.

    I entered the arbitrary name for hiding, and I clicked "OK". But the hiding never took place.

    I rebooted again, to see if perhaps that's necessary, and I repeated the hiding attempt by adding the same arbitrary name, and I again clicked "OK". But the hiding still didn't take place.

    I searched my device, and there is no app nor shortcut with that arbitrary name. I also tried other, different arbitrary names, but after clicking "OK", the hiding still didn't take place for any name I chose.

    What am I missing?
    Known issue. A fix has been merged. You can use the Debug app, revert back to 27001 or wait until 27003 is released.

    EDIT: Ninja'd 🙃
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    Is the Magisk 27001 APK/zip still available anywhere? I'd like to downgrade, but I can only find 27000 on Github and 27002 via update. I don't want to go to Canary in case the mounting changes break anything, or Debug as I hear the extra logging etc. causes performance issues (correct me if I'm wrong).
    Only v27000 is Stable. (and Beta). v27001 and v27002 are Canary or Debug

    Set your Update Channel to Stable and you will see (just like you can see also on GitHub) that latest Stable is v27000, there was never Stable v27001 or v27002

    Generally, Stable is always Nx100

    So, you cannot downgrade to Stable v27001 but Canary v27001 should be just like Stable v27000 (same codebase). That's also the general policy, whenever Nx100 Stable is released, then immediately comes Canary Nx100 +1, on the same code-base

    Therefore, downgrade to Stable v27000 instead
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    Direct Install with recovery mode checked worked for me. You were right.

    After I flashed wrong CSC firmware my baseband and EMEIs disappeared. Now I have updated bootloader and I cant to flash original CSC firmware anymore. Any ideas how to restore baseband, EMEIs or it is too late?
    Yep, I told you several times that you need Recovery mode (selected) for your Ramdisk=No device; instructions for this are also clear in official Installation Instruction page too, but apparently you have not been trying to follow official instructions, so it's no real surprise you've messed up firmware too... Please take *extra* care when modding as there are simply so many variables and pitfalls! 😬

    Are you flashing patched AP (Application Processor binary) along with all the other package binaries (X4?) for your S10+ (also in Magisk Installation page, Samsung section)??

    CP is Cellular Processor (Nb. Oft repeated references to CP as 'core processor' may be misleading) binary package (also referred to as Baseband Modem) so that should have fixed mismatched baseband etc... correct CSC (Consumer Software Customization; region, APN and carrier specific software packages/settings) and even BL (Bootloader) are most likely also important...

    Nb. BL doesn't always update bootloader version, but if later firmware has been flashed be aware that these can also cause anti-roll back version for bootloader to be incremented (in the event that an update patches serious vulns) so you original firmware may be blocked and you may need to use later packages only...

    If flashing latest complete firmware package via Odin doesn't fix your IMEI / baseband issues it may be that you've messed with partitions that contain unique device values in the past... You may need to ask in Galaxy, S10 or S10+ XDA forums for that. 🤠 PW
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    I'm now having a problem hiding the TJW Magisk 27002 app ...

    I finally was able to resurrect my old Pixel 5. It's running stock A11 and was running TJW Magisk 26004 with no problem.

    The Magisk manager was showing that the upgrade to 27002 was ready for installation, and so I did the following:

    (1) Unhide Magisk
    (2) Update Magisk (27002 was listed)
    (3) After Magisk manager restarted, I did Direct Update to 27002, including reboot
    (4) Magisk 27002 indeed came up properly after reboot.
    (5) Tried to perform Hide The Magisk App.

    I entered the arbitrary name for hiding, and I clicked "OK". But the hiding never took place.

    I rebooted again, to see if perhaps that's necessary, and I repeated the hiding attempt by adding the same arbitrary name, and I again clicked "OK". But the hiding still didn't take place.

    I searched my device, and there is no app nor shortcut with that arbitrary name. I also tried other, different arbitrary names, but after clicking "OK", the hiding still didn't take place for any name I chose.

    What am I missing?
    Known problem with 27002, the debug version doesn't have the problem with hiding, read back to see the discussion about it
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    Thanks for your reply.
    So I stay for the moment at Magisk 26.4 für my Xiaomi 14 Ultra. Because there is xiaomi.eu ROM for my phone available since 2 hours, I will flash this tomorrow und with the Module from Xiaomi.eu Team I do not need Playintegrity anymore.

    So do I understand correct, to hide root I should use Shamiko? Latest Shamiko can be found here https://github.com/LSPosed/LSPosed.github.io/releases correct?
    Since Xiaomi eu is a custom ROM, their devs made the injector, 'module' that tricks DroidGuard and injects the spoofs with no need for Magisk/root and Zygisk

    And as that, you achieve Device Integrity without the Magisk.
    But if you install Magisk, you have to hide Magisk and Zygisk by your own

    So yes, you can use Shamiko and it should work (I used that kind of setup at the beginning of this year, for like two weeks, with no problems)

    But then ask yourselves - what for do you need Magisk. If using like Viper4Android, useful LSPosed modules - then, yes

    If not, better uninstall Magisk and you will only have Xiaomi.eu injector. Btw, yes, it is rather injector than a module, it's full name is XiaomiEUInject

    Regarding the prints - there are now no more publicly available working prints, hence a vast majority of rooted users use the prints 'stolen' from the Xiaomi.eu injector. When Google bans them, both sides will be equally affected. And assuming that Xiaomi.eu team quickly publishes their new version of injector, (last time it was in a matter of hours) with the new prints, all those rooted users will jump again to their new prints from tha new injector (new version of PIF was published less than an hour upon the Xiaomi.eu injecto was updated)

    But if Google makes a slaughter like last time (now there are about 20 times less working prints than previously) and if Xiaomi.eu team does not come up (quickly) with the new injector (and the new working prints), than better don't think what could happen.
    Btw, Wallet can run about half a day on the cached previous Play Integrity pass

    Hence, with the Xiaomi.eu injector or with PI Fix (with its built-in prints), PI Fork with the corresponding autopif script, etc, you are equally exposed to the Google's mercy

    Therefore, if you really need Magisk, you can also keep using the PI Fix/For with the disabled Xiaomi.eu injector. It will be easier for your maintenance than to struggle with both worlds in parallel (although, that can work as well)
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    This is the place for general support and discussion regarding "Public Releases", which includes both stable and beta releases.
    All information, including troubleshoot guides and notes, are in the Announcement Thread
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    Hello, I haven't given much support on XDA lately. It can be resulted from
    • University started and I have limited free time. In fact, I mostly develop during midnight
    • I live in Taiwan, which has large time zone differences between my European/American contributors/testers, which usually forces me to stay up late at night to discuss/test stuffs.
    • The new version is about to come, I don't want to spend effort on supporting old releases
    The planned update is delayed again and again, to some point I think I'll shed some light about what has been happening lately, also along with some announcements.

    New Forum!
    As you might have already discovered, Magisk got its own subforum on XDA! Many thanks to all the support you gave me, and much more information/features/support is about to come!
    **For developers supporting all the devices that are not using standard Android boot format, feel free to create threads in this section (actually, PLEASE do so) for your favorite devices after v7 is out. As I currently know, Asus devices require signing the boot image before flashing, and is model dependant; Sony devices seems to use ELF kernel that is unpatchable, or some has two ramdisks (inner + outer), both requires different workarounds; LG bootloader locked devices has to manually "BUMP" the boot image after flashing Magisk..... and there may be lots of other crazy boot image formats that haven't come up to my attention yet.
    It is impossible for me to support all these non-standard boot images, and I hope the community can collaborate to make Magisk running across all the devices. Overall, community collaboration is what XDA about :D

    The Pixel Phone
    Some of you might already know this news, that the next Pixel Phone right around the corner seems like it does not have ramdisk in boot image, which pretty much wrecked Magisk in all ways. However, it pretty much doomed root itself too. Kernel modifications is inevitable IMO, so I'll try to migrate my scripts to C programs that could possibly be included into the kernel itself. Note that I'm not familiar with linux kernel, I'm not even sure if my idea and concept is correct or not. But once the device is available, I think developers will find a way to bypass all the difficulties, and I'll do my best to learn things ;)

    Current Progress
    In the past month, I've spent quite some time learning SELinux, so that I can avoid using SuperSU's sepolicy patches. Thanks to the helps and tips from @phhusson and @Chainfire, I finally have a much clearer understanding of how SELinux works. The Magisk core parts (the scripts, boot image patches, new features, more supports) are actually done some time ago. What is causing all the delays is the Magisk Manager.
    To be completely honest, although I can code in Java without much issues, Magisk Manager is actually my first Android application, I had to reach out for assistance, and fortunately awesome developers like @DVDandroid and @digitalhigh contributed a lot, which makes the current Manager awesome.
    After the repo system and module management is mostly done, I was about to do some adjustments and release, but what we really done is decided to add another feature: auto-unroot with per-app settings. I decided to wait for it to be finished, and then do my adjustments. Due to reasons that'll be mentioned later, this feature will likely not be available for the next release (should come in future updates)

    Safety Net Disaster
    Those who are using Magisk for Safety Net bypass purposes must have known that Google recently updated the detection method of my Systemless Xposed. I still have no idea what Safety Net is detecting, so currently I cannot fix it on my side (also because I'm busy working on the next update). However, suhide developed by @Chainfire is able to hide Xposed and worked fine.
    However, only my Systemless Xposed v86.2, which is based on SuperSU's su.d, is supported using that method. v86.2 and v86.5 (latest, Magisk based) have nearly identical binaries, and the only difference is the path where the binaries are stored.
    I'm still not sure what's the real issue for it not being supported, I just hope it is not done intentionally.

    Conclusion
    Due to the fact that my Safety Net bypass is not 100% perfect now, I do not want to spend any more time waiting for auto-unroot to be polished. What I'm doing now is finishing up all the things I'd like to change in Magisk Manager (it has been a while since I last contributed to Manager, my fellow developers are doing all the heavy job), which might take a little more time, after that, packed with tons of information to be announced in Magisk Section, I'll release the long awaited update.

    Hope this lengthy post gives you the idea of the whole situation, and again thanks for all your support!!
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    Ah, some Chainfire bashing, I hope it is not too late for me to exercise additional villainy.

    First, let me make clear I have nothing against @topjohnwu, nor against Magisk. Magisk is an interesting project and it certainly displays @topjohnwu ingenuity and persistence. I don't doubt we will see more interesting things from his hands.

    -------------------------

    What has happened here is not all that dark and complicated, from either end. I returned from holidays, and someone pointed me at Magisk. My first thought: interesting!

    Among other things, the thread lists some issues with SuperSU, which in combination with the phrase The developer also requests users to not bug Chainfire with compatibility requests for SuperSU with Magisk from the portal article, raised my left eyebrow by nigh half an inch. The popular systemless xposed mod is apparently now based on it, and apparently it now no longer works with SuperSU, and apparently I'm not supposed to fix that, nor any of the other found issues. I found that a bit weird. So yes, I have told @topjohnwu that I was a bit surprised he was posting about issues with SuperSU without notifying me about them (I can't fix or help fix issues I'm not aware of, after all).

    He's also spreading a modified version of the SuperSU package, which is not all that uncommon, nor necessarily a problem. I have not looked into what he modified, I only ran a few quick tests on one of my devices, and found some commonly used commands run as root to be broken. I have informed him of this as well.

    It appears the tool of choice for Magisk is phh's Superuser, because of some of the mentioned issues with SuperSU. That's fine by itself, but fixing issues in that superuser by incorporating SuperSU's binaries into it is a somewhat questionable practise. After all, SuperSU is a commercial closed-source package that helps pay for my dinner, and superuser is a direct competitor. I have informed him that I was surprised he did this without asking for permission. I have expressed similar surprise on him spreading a modified version of LiveBoot (which helps pay for a snack now and then).
    @topjohnwu has also stated that Magisk's scripts are largely influenced by mine (I have not checked). Scripts based on mine are used all over the place on XDA, some people have crafted amazing things based on them, I have never made an issue of this (otherwise I would have just made them binaries). But yes, I have also stated to him that I don't think it's very nice to base something on one program, and then using that to (almost exclusively) push something directly competing with that program.

    tl;dr Towards @topjohnwu, I have:
    - expressed surprise he has issues getting Magisk to work with SuperSU, and has chosen not to inform me about those
    - expressed surprise he is using SuperSU binaries in a competing superuser without permission
    - expressed surprise he is posting a modified LiveBoot without permission
    - informed him of issues with the modified SuperSU he has posted
    - let him know I thought it wasn't very nice to be applying my scripts to benefit seemingly exclusively that same competing superuser

    To be crystal clear:
    - I have not asked for an apology
    - I have not asked for Magisk to be abandoned, neither the root hiding nor systemless module parts, and certainly not systemless xposed
    - I have not made an issue of any of this anywhere, until this post
    - I have not even specifically asked for anything to be taken down (though obviously in my opinion the other superuser package mixed with SuperSU's binaries, as well as the LiveBoot package, should go)
    - I have not reported this thread to XDA moderators for copyright violations or otherwise

    While my conversation with @topjohnwu may not win any awards for being friendly (though it may win some for brevity), I think all things considered my response has been rather mild. To be perfectly honest, until the apology post, I thought this was over with already. I think the apology post was triggered because I haven't replied to his last PM for a while - I was in the zone, it happens.

    To emphasize again, I have nothing against @topjohnwu, Magisk, or systemless xposed, and it is certainly not my goal to see any of them go. If it can be made to work together with SuperSU, great.

    I get it though: you think of something, you want to see if you can make it work, you finally get it to work, you publish it, it takes off - enthusiasm gets the better of you. Maybe in the rush some mistakes are made. That doesn't mean you have to just drop it and run. None of my stuff would make it past 0.1 if I stopped at the first big mistake :)

    Aside from said being in the zone coding, I usually regret actually responding to these sort of things the day after, which has made me hesitant to reply. Surprise me.
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    Thread temporarily closed so everyone sees this.

    The flood of "SafetyNet isn't working for me either!" posts are not helpful, at all. Please refrain from posting further, it will be looked into. Please do not forget that not passing SafetyNet is 100% NORMAL AND INTENDED when you have an unlocked booloader or running custom firmware. These are workarounds and they will be worked around in turn.

    The Flash
    Forum Moderator

    EDIT: Thread is reopened... I will be cleaning any SafetyNet posts for a while to keep the thread clean for real issues.
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    Hello everyone!

    I am aware that Google has updated Safety Net that makes Magisk itself a no go for Android Pay. In fact, I witnessed the change live while I am developing the new magiskhide, which should hide all Magisk modules and Magisk installed root.

    Google is serious about Safety Net now, clearly hunting down all possibility to run Xposed with Safety Net passed. I spend quite some time examining the new security measures last midnight, and fortunately it seems that it is possible to run Magisk and root along with Safety Net if no Xposed is running. I'm glad I removed the old root toggle at the right time lol, that is no longer feasible with the latest detection.

    So stay tuned for the next update, it will come with bug fixes, along with the new magiskhide to bypass that Safety Net.

    Google, how will a few systemless mods do any harm :p:p