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jim262

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I'm neither in blind love of my Mi 11 ultra. But your main point is: Samsung did a better job on their software updates than Xiaomi?

Let's hope Xiaomi will release better software soon or custom roms to fix it. And well, when i have a S21U in my own hands i will compare them.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
Having used both phones, I personally feel that the Mi 11 Ultra is the better and cheaper phone. I paid $1045.00 for my phone (12/256), whereas the S21 Ultra cost $1249.99. I would agree that the zoom is better, but photos are usually better in daytime shots and better in night/low light scenarios. The video stabilization I feel is also better. Also the bootloader can be unlocked on Xiaomi phones here in the US, wheresa Samsung can not. All phones seem to have shortcomings in certain areas and these two phones are not exempt from that.
 

Alcibiade

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Dxo score is a bought and paid for scam
How would they have had results before the phone was even on sale ?

Some versions still don't have the dxo software update 4 months later but I DO have it and it isn't the best camera in the world lol....
Sorry but no...
DXO does offer services to phone makers to help them improve their software & post processing (Which btw is a great thing and has helped Huawei to get where they got in terms of pictures quality). They do however assess the quality of pictures independently and follow their due process for all makers exactly the same way.
How do they have the results as soon as the phone gets out? Very simply because some (clever) phone makers provide them with the phone to be released early enough for them to run their tests on time for the release. (Shouldn't be hard to imagine. And if you can't, just ask DXO, they will tell you how it works)
Synthetic benchmarks are always somewhat controversial (What weight do you put on which feature? Zoom? Level of details? Color accuracy? etc...). Nevertheless DXO has a great reputation when it goes down to professional cameras and lenses. And it's well deserved. (full transparency: I own a few semi pro DSLRs)
On the other hand, if some people prefer to listen to a few Youtube influencers (who are actually paid by the phone or camera makers) about the quality of their phone camera, with no actual test protocol and metrics, good for them (Not saying it's your case btw). But this isn't really a meaningful reference.
Regarding the firmware you're right, Xiaomi ought to be faster at updating their international version... This sucks especially given how fast they improved the camera on the Chinese version.
 
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jim262

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Sorry but no...
DXO does offer services to phone makers to help them improve their software & post processing (Which btw is a great thing and has helped Huawei to get where they got in terms of pictures quality). They do however assess the quality of pictures independently and follow their due process for all makers exactly the same way.
How do they have the results as soon as the phone gets out? Very simply because some (clever) phone makers provide them with the phone to be released early enough for them to run their tests on time for the release. (Shouldn't be hard to imagine. And if you can't, just ask DXO, they will tell you how it works)
Synthetic benchmarks are always somewhat controversial (What weight do you put on which feature? Zoom? Level of details? Color accuracy? etc...). Nevertheless DXO has a great reputation when it goes down to professional cameras and lenses. And it's well deserved. (full transparency: I own a few semi pro DSLRs)
On the other hand, if some people prefer to listen to a few Youtube influencers (who are actually paid by the phone or camera makers) about the quality of their phone camera, with no actual test protocol and metrics, good for them (Not saying it's your case btw). But this isn't really a meaningful reference.
Regarding the firmware you're right, Xiaomi ought to be faster at updating their international version... This sucks especially given how fast they improved the camera on the Chinese version.
Xiaomi is and has always been, one step ahead with its Chinese software. That is one of the reasons that Xiaomi.eu is so great. Not only do you get the features only available in the China roms, since it is based on the China roms, but you also get Google services, not available in the China rom, baked in!
 

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Xiaomi is and has always been, one step ahead with its Chinese software. That is one of the reasons that Xiaomi.eu is so great. Not only do you get the features only available in the China roms, since it is based on the China roms, but you also get Google services, not available in the China rom, baked in!
It also likely helps the CCP collect your data. The CCP has it's fingers in all of the civilian segments especially electronics.
Look what Apple just did. They're looking at all your pictures doing a no warrant search. Little doubt their Chinese partners are involved in this. The tip of the iceberg.
 

jim262

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It also likely helps the CCP collect your data. The CCP has it's fingers in all of the civilian segments especially electronics.
Look what Apple just did. They're looking at all your pictures doing a no warrant search. Little doubt their Chinese partners are involved in this. The tip of the iceberg.
You are clueless. God help you. The rom isn't even developed in China and all parts of the China rom are stripped out, except for items required for functionality. By the way, all those things you complain about may be in the stock roms from Xiaomi. And over 90% of phones manufactured in the world, are manufactured in China, either in part or wholly.
 

blackhawk

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You are clueless. God help you. The rom isn't even developed in China and all parts of the China rom are stripped out, except for items required for functionality. By the way, all those things you complain about may be in the stock roms from Xiaomi. And over 90% of phones manufactured in the world, are manufactured in China, either in part or wholly.

So says the clueless.
What about the chipsets? Hardwired in backdoors.
Sony and Samsung don't.
Get your jabs yet?🤣
 

blackhawk

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Do what are you doing in this forum? 🤔

So what are you doing in this forum, yet alone this website? 🤔
This is a Samsung titled thread. My points are valid when deciding the risks and which is better.
However I don't need no pocket big sister...


Here's a review of the Chinese knock off version made just for you...

 

jim262

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This is a Samsung titled thread. My points are valid when deciding the risks and which is better.
However I don't need no pocket big sister...


Here's a review of the Chinese knock off version made just for you...

Got news for you. This is the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra forum, not Samsung. BTW, since you are such a rocket scientist, where do you think Samsung phones are made. In another communist nation called Vietnam, with parts manufactured in China. Look it up, moron. Now go get vaccinated. You obviously have brain fog.
 

blackhawk

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Got news for you. This is the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra forum, not Samsung. BTW, since you are such a rocket scientist, where do you think Samsung phones are made. In another communist nation called Vietnam, with parts manufactured in China. Look it up, moron. Now go get vaccinated. You obviously have brain fog.
Apparently you aren't up to speed on Nam, a much better ally now than the CCP.
They make quality components especially batteries.
Or Japan. Or India. Samsung ditched the CCP for good reasons like the 360° spyware incident.

Enjoy your altered genes and chipsets🤣
 
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jim262

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Apparently you aren't up to speed on Nam, a much better ally now than the CCP.
They make quality components especially batteries.
Or Japan. Or India. Samsung ditched the CCP for good reasons like the 360° spyware incident.

Enjoy your altered genes and chipsets🤣
It is still a communist nation. It is not a democracy, the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) is what runs the country and by the way, you are still in the wrong forum. That's pretty understandable though since you obviously can't find your way out of a paper bag being brain dead.
 

hgoor

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Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra
I went from Note 10+ to Mi 11 Ultra. I will never own another Crapxynos based Samsung again.
But boy, MIUI is just...crap too.
So many bugs.Not mature at all.

But it's fast, and the camera is great IMHO..
 

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My best friend was one of the first proud owners of a S21 Ultra. Unfortunately, he got the Exynos version but he's still very happy with the phone overall and doesn't regret his purchase. He sees my phone as an alternative that isn't better or worse and I see it the same way too.

Note that I'm running the Xiaomi.EU weekly ROM that has further camera improvements as it's based on the CN beta ROM. v12.5.4 was supposed to have the 'official' improvements and the EU weekly beta has that and further changes since.

When comparing the phones side-by-side, we noticed the following:

Screen: The LTPO and screen quality of the S21U's panel is superior
Performance: Similar, but the SD888 on the MI11 Ultra and its added graphene cooling gives it a slight lead
Cameras: Daylight samples are too similar but the Samsung is ahead in long range zoom, macro shots and video capture what I've noticed. Night Mode shots across all sensors are slightly better on the Mi 11 Ultra.
Battery and charging speed: Haven't noticed too much of a difference as we have both equally-sized batteries, but he's still stuck with slower charging.
Software: I can't say for certain since the Xiaomi.EU weekly ROM has been great since it's debloated most Chinese-specific apps and I've even got the latest August 2021 Security patches (he does as well). I have no issues with any Google app, including contactless payment.
 
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    This is just my statement and opinion.

    I'm going to try and be honest here. Me as a Mi 11 Ultra owner I was impressed and a bit jealous despite the 300-400€ difference when using my father's S21 Ultra(exynos) in 2 aspects.

    One is the screen brightness with direct sunlight. i thought the all 1700nits would "shine true" but i got duped. The visibility of the S21 Ultra is much better, both using max brightness sunlight. I am not sure if Xiaomi activated the already enabled direct sunlight option, i had read somewhere that the brightness reaches better results on S21U but that's another topic.

    Two is the camera...

    I got mind blown when i bought the mi 11 Ultra and i got mind blown again about the quality of the zoom on S21U, without even going past 10x.
    The S21U with the 3x and 10x camera app smooth change between lenses and the sharpness of the zoom photos during live preview. A more Mature camera app indeed and the stabilization of the zoom camera by focusing on the object and not having to have a firm hand... wow!

    I couldn't test it during nightshots cause i was with him for a brief moment, but that is what i could have "won" in a way, but Mi11U enhances the nightshots photos after the photo is taken, not that much during live preview.

    Not to discourage other Xiaomi Fans out there but Xiaomi has indeed been lacking the transparency and focus of the Software.
    Samsung July patch notes note said that was made some improvements to the camera performance
    Another thing is that Xiaomi MIUI patches notes are the same across all the devices and not specific of the model. Like generic and uninteresting, you don't even know if they are making adjustments to the camera app on a specific model.
    But i'm going to stop with all the blathering for now.
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    You have to read the carefully the post i made mate.

    I said on top, its my opinion that S21U is better at zoom, even if DXOmark biases or unbiases only grants 98 points against 131.
    Benchmarks are benchmarks and DXOmark has a controversy of favoring Huawei and Xiaomi phones (you can read it in other places) and also Software improvements are not taken in consideration. The software released of S21Ultra had alot of issues but they fixed according to what i know and this topic was made now cause my father only bought it now.
    Beside i don't look at one site and be done with it. You see alot of Youtubers talk about zoom pictures being better on S21Ultra
    Also do you wonder why DXOmark never shares the specific version number of the software they test even if you ask them? talk about transparency...

    And again with the Dxomark scores on Screen. Xiaomi talks about 1700nits against the Samsung 1500nits and yet i saw major difference with my eyes.

    I bought the Mi11ultra because i love MIUI and this phone has alot of other functionally that other don't all in one.
    I won't buy S21U. i already have purchase my device, this is a post to take in consideration, thats all.
    I'm not in blind love of my MI11ultra.
    I'm neither in blind love of my Mi 11 ultra. But your main point is: Samsung did a better job on their software updates than Xiaomi?

    Let's hope Xiaomi will release better software soon or custom roms to fix it. And well, when i have a S21U in my own hands i will compare them.

    Thanks for sharing your experience.
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    I'm neither in blind love of my Mi 11 ultra. But your main point is: Samsung did a better job on their software updates than Xiaomi?

    Let's hope Xiaomi will release better software soon or custom roms to fix it. And well, when i have a S21U in my own hands i will compare them.

    Thanks for sharing your experience.
    Having used both phones, I personally feel that the Mi 11 Ultra is the better and cheaper phone. I paid $1045.00 for my phone (12/256), whereas the S21 Ultra cost $1249.99. I would agree that the zoom is better, but photos are usually better in daytime shots and better in night/low light scenarios. The video stabilization I feel is also better. Also the bootloader can be unlocked on Xiaomi phones here in the US, wheresa Samsung can not. All phones seem to have shortcomings in certain areas and these two phones are not exempt from that.
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    My best friend was one of the first proud owners of a S21 Ultra. Unfortunately, he got the Exynos version but he's still very happy with the phone overall and doesn't regret his purchase. He sees my phone as an alternative that isn't better or worse and I see it the same way too.

    Note that I'm running the Xiaomi.EU weekly ROM that has further camera improvements as it's based on the CN beta ROM. v12.5.4 was supposed to have the 'official' improvements and the EU weekly beta has that and further changes since.

    When comparing the phones side-by-side, we noticed the following:

    Screen: The LTPO and screen quality of the S21U's panel is superior
    Performance: Similar, but the SD888 on the MI11 Ultra and its added graphene cooling gives it a slight lead
    Cameras: Daylight samples are too similar but the Samsung is ahead in long range zoom, macro shots and video capture what I've noticed. Night Mode shots across all sensors are slightly better on the Mi 11 Ultra.
    Battery and charging speed: Haven't noticed too much of a difference as we have both equally-sized batteries, but he's still stuck with slower charging.
    Software: I can't say for certain since the Xiaomi.EU weekly ROM has been great since it's debloated most Chinese-specific apps and I've even got the latest August 2021 Security patches (he does as well). I have no issues with any Google app, including contactless payment.
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    In my little and personal opinion, Xiaomi fits outstanding hardware in its phones but it clearly loses on software and optimization which I think is a more difficult task than gathering hardware. If Samsung would ship its phone with the kind of sensors Mi 11 ultra has, they might outperform Mi 11 ultra easily. Even Xiaomi's flagships such as Mi 11 ultra have outdated security updates and buggy user interface such as its dark mode; I'm living with a phone whose dark mode bugs make me change homescreen icon layout twice daily in order to get my widgets and google feed follow the device's theme. Mind it, I payed $1000 for this "luxury" and such is the experience of it. I envy S21 ultra users using their phones with the most recent Android security patch installed.
    Im sorry if I hurt someone here by saying this.