New Fire HD10 2019 Bootless Root Method + Bootloader Unlock Brainstorming

[Kctucka]

There's a new Fire 10 coming out, with an Octacore processor, USB-C charging, and FireOS based on Pie:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...hd-10-tablet-costs-149-and-charges-via-usb-c/

I most certainly don't need any more fire tablets in my life, but this does look pretty cool. I wonder how hackable it is

Update 12/27/2019:
See post below for temporary root method from @diplomatic:

https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd...xperimental-software-root-hd-8-hd-10-t3904595

Note that this is only compatible with the firmware fresh out of the box. Do not let it update if you want temporary root.

You can also make use of bootless root for a more permanent root solution (though, you cannot modify the system partition):

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79626434&postcount=135

 

[thejoker954]

Damn, I'd have liked to see more ram. I could take or leave the processor upgrade. USB-C is good though.

 

[zed011]

3GB ram would have been nice for sure. I'm guessing this 2GHz octa-core processor is the MT8392

 

[xenokc]

Hopefully XDA devs will be motivated to root this one. Sounds worth the effort.

 

[Rortiz2]

@k4y0z @xyz` what do you think guys about exploit this
Looks very nice but IDK if amonet will work. Maybe kamakiri? Just for know xD.
Regards and sorry for the ping.

EDIT: From what I can see it runs MT8163 so it's like the ONN tablet but with FireOS.

 

[Kctucka]

EDIT: From what I can see it runs MT8163 so it's like the ONN tablet but with FireOS.

Isn't that the same SoC as the HD8?

 

[NerdFire]

If I had the money I'd buy one just to be in the vanguard -- and to open it up to see if it has the CLK test point that's been so successful in unlocking the 8th gen Fire HD 8.

I'm also curious: since the current version is such an improvement over its predecessor, will this one be a similar leap forward? It's hard to imagine, but it might be worth checking out a few months down the road when they either go on sale or Amazon Warehouse gets a few refurbs. (I'll also probably wait to see if this model is a drop-in replacement for the one I have one that's in an Echo Show Mode case.)

EDIT: Well of course it can't just drop in. USB C vs. MicroUSB for the connector. Derp.

 

[Rortiz2]

Isn't that the same SoC as the HD8?

Yep.
But HD8 uses QuadCore and the new HD10 OctaCore.

 

[Kctucka]

Yep.
But HD8 uses QuadCore and the new HD10 OctaCore.

I didn't realize they messed with cores and frequencies and still called it the same SoC?

Just curious, what's your source for MT8163?

 

[Rortiz2]

I didn't realize they messed with cores and frequencies and still called it the same SoC?

Just curious, what's your source for MT8163?

Soorry.
It's MT8183. I minunderstood the CPU

 

[AmznUser444 Dev]

It's possible to use a microUSB type B to type C adapter for charging?

 

[DB126]

It's possible to use a microUSB type B to type C adapter for charging?

Yes provided the adapter is properly designed which most are. Same goes for basic data transfer and adb; may not work for fastboot.

 

[MarkMcCoskey]

The new Fire HD 10 is the 2.0 GHz octa-core MediaTek MT8183 processor with a Mali-G72 graphics processing unit (GPU).
https://tabletmonkeys.com/new-fire-hd-10-mt8183-processor/

 

[AmznUser444 Dev]

Yes provided the adapter is properly designed which most are. Same goes for basic data transfer and adb; may not work for fastboot.

ADB and Fastboot script will work when using USB C

 

[DB126]

ADB and Fastboot script will work when using USB C

Of course they will when used with the stock USB C cable. Poster's question pertained to the use of a "microUSB type B to type C adapter". Are you saying through experience a particular adapter works for ADB and fastboot?

In my experienced poorly designed (cheap knockoff) adapters may not work for fastboot communication. Same for bargain cables. Get what you pay for.

 

[AmznUser444 Dev]

Look Android 9 Pie features from official Android website

-> Adaptive Battery for optimizations
-> Adaptive brightness for the battery optimization
-> App timer
-> Digital Wellbeing
-> New Accessibilities: Sound Amplifier for make an audio is louder
-> Slices
-> Display cutout
-> HEIF photo format support

 

[Akopps]

Only 2GB of RAM probably means poor multitasking.

 

[DB126]

Only 2GB of RAM probably means poor multitasking.

Not necessarily, unless you're looking for rapid switching among a dozen or more apps which would be a challenge given low end components (cpu, nand, etc). Android 9 does a commendable job managing larger ZRAM blocks given inherent limitations. Won't be a speedster but probably more tolerable than raw specs would suggest.

 

[bibikalka]

The big question is whether this chipset has the proper bootrom bug to enable the unlock - or at least, writing into Emmc memory.

@xyz` , @k4y0z

 

[xyz`]

We can't tell whether it's vulnerable until it ships. Also, for a proper untethered unlock the bootrom vulnerability isn't enough, we need one in LK too.