New joying intel sofia 2gb ram

[newell63]

Hi everybody.
I buy the new joying intel sofia 2gb ram, and i would like to know if there is french owner of this product ?
I explain, i just want to know if joying improve the radio app of this new model, for example the post search automaticaly a better frequence for the same radio (that's what i want) or just when the post loose the signal of the station he switch to an other frequence even if it's not the same (not good)?

In the malaysk rom for RK3188 i've read that the new app radio modified do what i want (search a better station for the same radio ), in case the new joying do what i don't want, do you think the same radio app will be available for the new joying ?
Thanks everyone and sorry for english...

 

[doitright]

Hi everybody.
I buy the new joying intel sofia 2gb ram, and i would like to know if there is french owner of this product ?
I explain, i just want to know if joying improve the radio app of this new model, for example the post search automaticaly a better frequence for the same radio (that's what i want) or just when the post loose the signal of the station he switch to an other frequence even if it's not the same (not good)?

In the malaysk rom for RK3188 i've read that the new app radio modified do what i want (search a better station for the same radio ), in case the new joying do what i don't want, do you think the same radio app will be available for the new joying ?
Thanks everyone and sorry for english...

Hi, I'm afraid that despite having taken French in school, that I've pretty much lost all of it. Nevertheless, I will try my best to answer your question;

The primary user observable change to the new Intel/2GB units that Joying is producing comparing to MTCD RK3188 units, is related to system performance. The new Intel/2GB are considerably faster.

If I understand correctly, you are referring to some features of DAB[+] where it is able to switch between channels of the same broadcaster. Unfortunately, here in Canada, we don't get digital radio. We get the same old AM/FM analog radio.

While I have not yet received my Joying orders (being shipped currently), I do not believe that you will observe significant changes to the radio application. HOWEVER, it is certainly possible to apply the same kind of adjustments to the new unit's radio application as you refer to in the older units. In fact, it could actually be that the modified version of the radio application that you like could actually work directly on the new Intel units, however, this would depend on how the interface between the radio application and the actual radio is implemented, and whether or not the radio application includes any native code.

The thing to keep in mind, is that these Intel units are *very new*. Only a handful of people have them yet. Also unlike older MTCD/ARM devices, there are now multiple implementation. Many of the radio manufacturers are still using MTCD MCU boards with the Intel SoM's, but at least one (Joying) is using a very radical departure from that design. What isn't clear yet, is if the SoC <---> MCU interface is the same on the Joying, or if it is entirely unique.

 

[newell63]

Ok thanks.
No i don't talk about DAB ( no yet dab in france)....
I'm talking about AM/FM radio, i try explain with example :

In city "X" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 100.00.
In city "Y" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 90.00.

If i'm in "X" and i drive to "Y", does the autoradio switch automaticaly to frequence 90.00 to keep listen "XdA radio" or not ?

Thanks.

 

[doitright]

Ok thanks.
No i don't talk about DAB ( no yet dab in france)....
I'm talking about AM/FM radio, i try explain with example :

In city "X" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 100.00.
In city "Y" the frequence for "XdA radio" is 90.00.

If i'm in "X" and i drive to "Y", does the autoradio switch automaticaly to frequence 90.00 to keep listen "XdA radio" or not ?

Thanks.

Wow ok. I've never actually heard of that feature. So sorry, I can't actually answer the question.

 

[newell63]

Ok.
It's RDS and TA (alternative frequence), this features allow you to travel througth the country listening the same radio because the post search a better frequence for the same radio.

joying say is capable but on the RK3188, the post don't do this, it only change the frequence for a new one better even if it's not the same radio.

If i read good, malaysk modified the radio app in order to have what i want.
I hope joying do the same thing for the new model....

 

[marchnz]

Many of the radio manufacturers are still using MTCD MCU boards with the Intel SoM's, but at least one (Joying) is using a very radical departure from that design. What isn't clear yet, is if the SoC <---> MCU interface is the same on the Joying, or if it is entirely unique.

Can you help me understand how you drew the conclusion that the Joying is a 'radical' departure from MTCD (it still uses an MCU - right?) and - drawing my own conclusion, rightly or wrongly - how the MCU could be significantly better in the Joying unit. Also were you aware joying are not a manufacturer?

Cheers.

 

[newell63]

No one with in new model joying in France ?
Thanks

 

[doitright]

Can you help me understand how you drew the conclusion that the Joying is a 'radical' departure from MTCD (it still uses an MCU - right?) and - drawing my own conclusion, rightly or wrongly - how the MCU could be significantly better in the Joying unit. Also were you aware joying are not a manufacturer?

Cheers.

Its hard to say if joying manufactures or not. There are a dozen DIFFERENTLY OWNED factories that crank out almost the exact same devices.

It doesn't take much to know that the Joying is different than all the rest. A quick VISUAL check of the inside of the thing shows it.

Check out this post for pictures of the inside of the Joying: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69469794&postcount=3

And first post of this thread for pictures of the inside of MTCD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...opment/2gb-ram-intel-cpu-heres-specs-t3468322

 

[typos1]

Its hard to say if joying manufactures or not. There are a dozen DIFFERENTLY OWNED factories that crank out almost the exact same devices.

It doesn't take much to know that the Joying is different than all the rest. A quick VISUAL check of the inside of the thing shows it.

Check out this post for pictures of the inside of the Joying: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69469794&postcount=3

And first post of this thread for pictures of the inside of MTCD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...opment/2gb-ram-intel-cpu-heres-specs-t3468322

Those of us who have been following MTC units for 3 years have been fully aware of the situation for a long time - there are indeed approx 12 manufacturers of MTC units, the software for them all is made by one company - MTC, the type of software is designated by the letter after "MTC" ie "B", "C" and "D", the 2 or 3 letter code in the MCU type is the manufacturer identifier and each of the 12 manufacturers can be identified by these letters, so no, its not "hard to say" who manufacturers it - quite the opposite we know EXACTLY who manufacturers it by the code in the MCU type

Joying does not manufacturer anything they are sellers, this has been known for years, any MCU with a "JY" in it is manufactured by Shenzhen Joyous. The phrase "The Joying" is meaningless as Joying does not just sell JY units it also sells some others.

All the Sofia units I ve seen so far ARE MTCD units because they have an MTCD MCU, as the attached picture clearly shows, hence threads about these units are in the MTCD section.

If, as you say the Sofia units sold by Joying are not MTCD, then we can identify them by the settings/about device screen to see if they are MTC or entirely unrelated.

 

[doitright]

Those of us who have been following MTC units for 3 years have been fully aware of the situation for a long time - there are indeed approx 12 manufacturers of MTC units, the software for them all is made by one company - MTC, the type of software is designated by the letter after "MTC" ie "B", "C" and "D", the 2 or 3 letter code in the MCU type is the manufacturer identifier and each of the 12 manufacturers can be identified by these letters, so no, its not "hard to say" who manufacturers it - quite the opposite we know EXACTLY who manufacturers it by the code in the MCU type

Joying does not manufacturer anything they are sellers, this has been known for years, any MCU with a "JY" in it is manufactured by Shenzhen Joyous. The phrase "The Joying" is meaningless as Joying does not just sell JY units it also sells some others.

The Sofia units ARE MTCD units because they have an MTCD MCU, as the attached picture clearly shows, hence threads about these units are in the MTCD section.

The SoFia Joying units are CLEARLY NOT MTCD, as internal pictures and firmware structure of these units CLEARLY INDICATES.
Take a careful read over this thread and note post (1) includes firmware structure for the FYT5009 based Joying units, and post (3) has internal pictures:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...t/intel-cpu-mtcd-mtc-units-intel-cpu-t3494083

Also, Joying is the public facing retail branch OF Joyous. You can argue about the organizational structure all you want, but at the end of the day, its the same outfit.

 

[typos1]

The SoFia Joying units are CLEARLY NOT MTCD, as internal pictures and firmware structure of these units CLEARLY INDICATES.
Take a careful read over this thread and note post (1) includes firmware structure for the FYT5009 based Joying units, and post (3) has internal pictures:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...t/intel-cpu-mtcd-mtc-units-intel-cpu-t3494083

Also, Joying is the public facing retail branch OF Joyous. You can argue about the organizational structure all you want, but at the end of the day, its the same outfit.

I have browsed the thread already, the about screen is still the quickest way for the OP to identify his unit, if he has an MCU like this "2016-08-29 15:46:12 JY_(NOR)__90_C9_7706_5009_CAN(GX)_Newlap" then indeed you are correct, the JY Sofia units are not MTCD and this thread needs to be moved to the "Android Auto General" section

I suspected that Joying maybe the retail arm of Joyous for while, but then I saw they also sold non Joyous units, so I decided that they were probably not Joyous, care to show me proof they are ?

 

[doitright]

I have browsed the thread already, the about screen is still the quickest way for the OP to identify his unit, if he has an MCU like this "2016-08-29 15:46:12 JY_(NOR)__90_C9_7706_5009_CAN(GX)_Newlap" then indeed you are correct, the JY Sofia units are not MTCD and this thread needs to be moved to the "Android Auto General" section

I suspected that Joying maybe the retail arm of Joyous for while, but then I saw they also sold non Joyous units, so I decided that they were probably not Joyous, care to show me proof they are ?

What non-joyous are they selling? Can you find anybody ELSE who is selling Joyous?

 

[typos1]

What non-joyous are they selling? Can you find anybody ELSE who is selling Joyous?

I bought a JY unit from someone who was not Joying a couple of years ago, so yes.

I cant remember what other types I ve seen them sell off hand - I try and keep up with developments with Android head units and as I said I d always assumed that Joying was the retail arm of joyous and I think I have said it on here before, maybe thats where you got it from ? And no I cant remember what non JY they were selling, just that I mentally noted that I was probably incorrect in assuming they were the retail arm of Joying. When I have some time I ll try and see where I saw non JY units they were selling.

So you have no actual evidence, you just made the same assumptions as me ?

 

[doitright]

I bought a JY unit from someone who was not Joying a couple of years ago, so yes.

I cant remember what other types I ve seen them sell off hand - I try and keep up with developments with Android head units and as I said I d always assumed that Joying was the retail arm of joyous and I think I have said it on here before, maybe thats where you got it from ? And no I cant remember what non JY they were selling, just that I mentally noted that I was probably incorrect in assuming they were the retail arm of Joying. When I have some time I ll try and see where I saw non JY units they were selling.

So you have no actual evidence, you just made the same assumptions as me ?

Well one piece of supporting evidence is the fact that none of the Joyous retail channels have been updated in *YEARS*.
I wonder if you just bought that unit from a reseller who bought a container of JY units for a discount and marked them up a few $$?

I guess in the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. As long as we kind of have an idea what is actually in the box.

 

[typos1]

Well one piece of supporting evidence is the fact that none of the Joyous retail channels have been updated in *YEARS*.
I wonder if you just bought that unit from a reseller who bought a container of JY units for a discount and marked them up a few $$?

I guess in the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. As long as we kind of have an idea what is actually in the box.

Well, it would be nice to know.

It could be that they decided to stop supplying others and sell them all through the "Joying" brand only, or maybe not.

Even if they do sell some units made by other companies as I thought I had seen doesnt prove its not them either, they could sell their stuff and other peoples too, I guess it should be filed in the "unsure" category at least for now

 

[newell63]

Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...

Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....

 

[doitright]

Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...

Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....

That seems like a very trivial complaint.

 

[newell63]

Yes...i know.
But radio is important to me and joying don't say me that the look of new radio app will change....
That's why i would like change the app for one look like the older joying or MTCFLATRADIO....
If someone can help me, it will be nice.
Thanks

 

[philippe565]

Hello.
I've received my new joying, but i'm disappointed.....
The radio app of older model show station name îbigger in the middle and in presets and the song title in middle but the app of the new one just show the frequency...i'm sad...

Someone buy the new joying and have the same issue as me ?
It's possible to put the radio app MTCFLATRADIO on my autoradio ?
Thanks everyone....

Hi , the radio app is like you say, only frequency in big numbers...
you can save the radio name and edit , but it won't appear in screen center.

 

[typos1]

Hi , the radio app is like you say, only frequency in big numbers...
you can save the radio name and edit , but it won't appear in screen center.

Once root is obtained it would be quite easy to mod the xml of the radio apk to change the look.

If you install the app "APKextractor" you can remove it without root ready for modifying maybe give it to someone else, maybe one of the people who do modified MTCB/C/D apps ?