Nexus 5x Battery Life Thread

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bblzd

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Not streaming from the net, it's local files. That's just from downloading episodes. Going to compare how much Play Music uses for 2 hours of local playback tomorrow. This all just seems to be more use than from my N5.

I've only been using Spotify so I haven't been able to test, but DSP tunneling seemed to work great on my N5 using locally stored files with Play Music. It's possible doggcatcher isn't taking advantage of that feature or is keeping the internet connection active for whatever reason. It will be interesting to see your results.
 
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Hi guys! I was reporting a bad battery life earlier this week. That hasn't change in this past days, but I'm seeing a big issue here. I enable the battery porcentage to better follow the stats, and I notice that the battery it's going down 2% each time. I mean, I'm using it with 64% and goes directly to 62%.

Does anybody has this same problem? I'm already contacting Google to get a replacement unit.
 

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Hey we're getting somewhere! :)

I thought I would share Anandtech's thoughts on the 5x battery here for any who may still be convinced that their own personal battery issues are indicative of the larger group.



Anyways there's just about 2 or 3 people in this thread that are repeating their same battery issues over and over and have attempted nothing to resolve their issue. Look at any Reddit thread about battery you will see the majority of results are 3-4 hours SoT. I'm done trying to convince anyone that the sky is blue when they're only interested in confirming their own bias.



This thread is for sharing results. What battery help is being provided exactly? If this is a battery help thread then the motto must be "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!" because no one has suggested or attempted anything. Nothing more is happening here besides sharing results. The helpfulness of seeing others results is minimal at best when most aren't even including basic information such as screen brightness or settings used.

"So many reports" except that every review disagrees, and I can find 10x as many showing great results in every Reddit post related to battery life. More like confirmation bias from a select few who are having battery issues IMO.

Did you not read my entire comment? I said it "COULD" be apps that are draining abnormally. I also said:
"...or it could mean that using your phone, even with everything behaving as it should, just takes power to run and 2,700mAh just isn't that much. "

The quote from Anandtech is just one person's opinion and based on what I've experienced myself, seen on this thread (much more than 2 or 3 people over and over again) and the thread with the SOT poll that opinion doesn't match most people's experience. It has nothing to do with "confirmation bias". This is actual experience.

The Anandtech article also said "While battery life may have been an issue with older Nexus devices, I think it's safe to say it's no longer a concern with the Nexus 5X." yet I have found that the battery life of the Nexus 5X isn't much better than my Nexus 5 when it was brand new.

Many people are getting 3-4 hours SOT and from what I've seen it's usually closer to 3(which really isn’t all that good) than 4. Also, most of those cases are based on EXCELLENT conditions like great cell reception, wifi 100% of the time, very low brightness, etc only doing things like browsing. If you have excellent cell reception in your home and good wifi and never leave the house and only do things like browsing then maybe that 4 hours SOT is more obtainable. And in those cases you are likely next to an outlet so it doesn’t matter as much anyways.

If you go out in the real world where you don't have wifi everywhere (or very poor wifi), have varying levels of signal strength, have to increase brightness because of a bright sunny day or are doing things that take much more power like using GPS for directions or play games (even for a short amount of time) then that 4 hours SOT drops to a much lower number. You can’t do a web browsing test over wifi in airplane mode with the brightness set low and then use that as a basis to say “I don't think battery life will be an issue for ANY Nexus 5X user”. I, others on this thread and those that have voted in the SOT poll ARE Nexus 5X users and for many of us battery life IS AN ISSUE.

The fact of the matter is people DO go out in the world with their phones. They DO go to areas that don’t have wifi. They DO use their phones for GPS directions. They DO have to increase screen brightness in sunny outside situations and in those situations. All these things….and more. It would be really nice if a phone could handle a “normal” day. For many of us it can’t and neither can any other phone.

As far as people not attempting anything to fix the problem what can they do? Turn off features? Uninstall apps? Not use it at all?

As I mentioned before, while browsing on wifi with cell reception very good and screen brightness set at low my phone drops 1% every ~2.5 minutes which would result in less than 4 hours of total usage(SOT and total time off charger) with consistent conditions. I’ve even tried switching to a browser like Lightning and it didn’t make much difference. In the battery details Screen, Chrome, Android OS and Android System are almost always the top users so nothing else really seems to be killing the battery. So, in this case I actually DID try something with no luck. What else is there to do besides stop browsing completely?

Anything else is really out of our control. If I have to turn off all the features and uninstall all the apps that made me want a smart phone in the first place then why have one at all? I might as well go back to my Sony Ericsson W760 dumb phone.

I also want to mention that in the graph you posted(from Reddit?) in response to blassster and daver68 it shows that the most people are actually getting 2-3 hours SOT so that really doesn't match up with Anandtech's claims(or yours) either. So the person from Anandtech says battery life shouldn't be a problem for ANY Nexus 5X user but the biggest group from the graph that YOU posted shows otherwise.
 
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I was having the same problem 3 hours SoT over a day max, something was waking my phone up a ton and I couldn't see what without root. Didn't want to because of Android Pay, but I went with systemless root and Pay works fine. Anyways, I flashed ElementalX and so far those wakelocks appear to be gone. I would definitely recommend a custom kernel.

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Seems worth to try flashing elemntalx kernal, did ur battry life get longger? After wakelocks appear to be gone.
 

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Seems worth to try flashing elemntalx kernal, did ur battry life get longger? After wakelocks appear to be gone.
Charged the battery full after flashing, and I got almost 30 hours with 4+ SoT, those wakelocks were gone. Not sure what they were caused by but it seems much better.

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Still running completely stock and had by far my best day with SOT. To my surprise, it looks like I somehow get better battery life with WiFi off.

Connected to WiFi, I'm normally around 2 hours of SOT at 50% battery life. With mostly LTE at my house with good signal, I was at 2 hours and 48 minutes of SOT. I was on track to do more than 5 hours of SOT. However, I had to work today and my reception is pretty poor there, so that kept me from breaking that boundary.

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I also want to mention that in the graph you posted(from Reddit?) in response to blassster and daver68 it shows that the most people are actually getting 2-3 hours SOT so that really doesn't match up with Anandtech's claims(or yours) either. So the person from Anandtech says battery life shouldn't be a problem for ANY Nexus 5X user but the biggest group from the graph that YOU posted shows otherwise.

With due respect, you are misreading the graph.

The bars all represent separate counts -- so out of the couple hundred folks who participated, the majority are getting 3.0-3.5 hours or more. The underlying data is available in a spreadsheet on on the reddit 5X subforum if you want to double check my reading.

In the same way that the good battery life of others doesn't disprove your poor battery life, your poor battery life doesn't disprove the good battery life of others (many of whom actually do use their phones robustly).
 
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With due respect, you are misreading the graph.

The bars all represent separate counts -- so out of the couple hundred folks who participated, the majority are getting 3.0-3.5 hours or more. The underlying data is available in a spreadsheet on on the reddit 5X subforum if you want to double check my reading.

In the same way that the good battery life of others doesn't disprove your poor battery life, your poor battery life doesn't disprove the good battery life of others (many of whom actually do use their phones robustly).

Maybe we are looking at a different graph? Or maybe you are looking at a more recent or less recent version of the graph? I'm looking at the one that was posted by bblzd (from a Reddit post I guess) the tallest bar on the graph(representing about 125 people) is labeled "2-3 hours". The second tallest bar on the graph(representing about 100 people) is labeled "3-3.5 hours".
 

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With due respect, you are misreading the graph.

Unfortunately some would rather ignore information that doesn't suit their own needs. Confirmation bias can be very powerful. I'm not even sure why they come to XDA if they're not interested in helping themselves or listening to reason.

We can find the same types in every device forum. For example in the Nexus 6p battery thread many are reporting 4-5 hours SoT and a couple people wondering why they can't get more than 2 hours SoT. Of course 9 times out of 10 it's just poor signal or one of the apps they installed but since they refuse to attempt the simplest troubleshooting steps ("it should just work") they will just sit there and complain day after day until they finally buy an iphone and never have to deal with "confusing" screen on statistics again.

Another result with 50% manual brightness and most settings enabled.
 

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I usually get 3.5 hours SOT, lots of data usage. I decided to watch a locally stored movie on my phone for the first time. Probably going to get over 11 hours of video playback.

Started at 96% finished at 75%, movie was 2 hours 45 minutes long. H.264, 1280*720, 1.03 GB file. Playback was done in MX Player with HW decode on for all.

WiFi was on but not used really the whole time.
 

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With due respect, you are misreading the graph.

The bars all represent separate counts -- so out of the couple hundred folks who participated, the majority are getting 3.0-3.5 hours or more. The underlying data is available in a spreadsheet on on the reddit 5X subforum if you want to double check my reading.
Maybe we are looking at a different graph? Or maybe you are looking at a more recent or less recent version of the graph? I'm looking at the one that was posted by bblzd (from a Reddit post I guess) the tallest bar on the graph(representing about 125 people) is labeled "2-3 hours". The second tallest bar on the graph(representing about 100 people) is labeled "3-3.5 hours".

I am looking at the graph in Post #479 of this thread, which you said shows that "most people are actually getting 2-3 hours SOT."

Each bar on that graph is a separate group of people. What the graph shows is that ~150 people are getting 3.0 hours or less (the sum of the first two bars) and ~240 people are getting 3.0 hours or more (the sum of the last 5 bars). So, most people are not getting 2-3 hours SOT, and most people are not getting less than 3 -- most people are getting more than 3.0.

The more interesting thing, IMO, that the graph shows is the variability in battery life. This presumably has to do with signal strength, app selection, choice of carrier, and a million other factors. Again, just because one person has crappy battery life, or another person has extraordinary battery life, doesn't really say anything about the phone. You have to look at either a broad selection of user experience or a standardized benchmark.

Otherwise, I can only say that my battery life is good, which doesn't impact you; and you can only say that your battery life is terrible, which doesn't impact me.

Unfortunately some would rather ignore information that doesn't suit their own needs. Confirmation bias can be very powerful. I'm not even sure why they come to XDA if they're not interested in helping themselves or listening to reason.

Confirmation bias is certainly a factor, but I think it is also the case that people just get emotionally invested in their phones. I mean, when someone's phone doesn't work to expectation they get upset in a way that they wouldn't if their refrigerator wasn't keeping the milk cold enough. (That applies to me too, BTW. Why else would I be posting on the internet about the 5X's battery life!)
 

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I usually get 3.5 hours SOT, lots of data usage. I decided to watch a locally stored movie on my phone for the first time. Probably going to get over 11 hours of video playback.

Started at 96% finished at 75%, movie was 2 hours 45 minutes long. H.264, 1280*720, 1.03 GB file. Playback was done in MX Player with HW decode on for all.

WiFi was on but not used really the whole time.

Damn. This actually means the battery usage can be stretched much further if google optimises the 5x with the next updates so its great news IMO (I might be completely wrong however).
 

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Actually this is what Google states you should get in terms of battery for HW accelerated video playback. I took a look at the CPU stats and the CPU was sleeping for 1 hour 50 minutes for a 2 hour 45 minute movie. I was watching in the dark so screen was at near minimum brightness.

This is an expected result. I'm not sure if H.264 HW decode is implemented in the graphics core, DSP, or hard digital logic. Graphics core would be the highest power usage and hard logic would be lowest. What I observed is basically the best case scenario for SoT, better would be WiFi off and Airplane mode in the dark. What my observation shows is that you can expect your phone to be able to play back 4-5 full length movies on a plane.
 
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For those who were wondering about an audio playback followup from my post 2 days ago. Does this mean that the non Play Music apps aren't using the DSP, or they're just inefficient? Mixed audio output scenarios, but for Doggcatcher vs Play Music it should be directly comparable. Look at all three keep awake times too.

Audible:
-2.5 hours of listening time through a Bluetooth speaker
-337 mAh of drain.
-600mb of books was downloaded during playback.

Play Music:
-2 hours of listening time through the headphone jack
-35mAh of drain.
-Downloaded about 1.2GB of albums while listening.

Doggcatcher:
-2 hour of listening time through the phone speaker
-381mAh of drain.
-Turned off feed refresh during this test.

Cc: @bblzd @daver68
 

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Huh, that definitely looks like Doggcatcher and Audible aren't using the same "engine" as Play Music.

I put "engine" in quotes because we don't know for certain that they are or aren't using the DSP that comes with the SD808, which we inherently believe that Play Music does.

Does either Doggcatcher or Audible have an option to use internal player vs external player? For example, I use Podcast Addict for my podcasts, and I disable the "internal audio player" which means the app isn't handling playback. I wonder if this could mean the difference between app doing all the audio vs tunneling through the DSP?
 
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Huh, that definitely looks like Doggcatcher and Audible aren't using the same "engine" as Play Music.

I put "engine" in quotes because we don't know for certain that they are or aren't using the DSP that comes with the SD808, which we inherently believe that Play Music does.

Does either Doggcatcher or Audible have an option to use internal player vs external player? For example, I use Podcast Addict for my podcasts, and I disable the "internal audio player" which means the app isn't handling playback. I wonder if this could mean the difference between app doing all the audio vs tunneling through the DSP?

I understand what you mean by that, good theory. Nothing like that in Audible. DC external player mode makes it want to launch another app to play the file, which of course doesn't keep track of listening progress. Wondering if the devs should be contacted for more info. Cheers.
 

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I am looking at the graph in Post #479 of this thread, which you said shows that "most people are actually getting 2-3 hours SOT."

Each bar on that graph is a separate group of people. What the graph shows is that ~150 people are getting 3.0 hours or less (the sum of the first two bars) and ~240 people are getting 3.0 hours or more (the sum of the last 5 bars). So, most people are not getting 2-3 hours SOT, and most people are not getting less than 3 -- most people are getting more than 3.0.

The more interesting thing, IMO, that the graph shows is the variability in battery life. This presumably has to do with signal strength, app selection, choice of carrier, and a million other factors. Again, just because one person has crappy battery life, or another person has extraordinary battery life, doesn't really say anything about the phone. You have to look at either a broad selection of user experience or a standardized benchmark.

Otherwise, I can only say that my battery life is good, which doesn't impact you; and you can only say that your battery life is terrible, which doesn't impact me.

Confirmation bias is certainly a factor, but I think it is also the case that people just get emotionally invested in their phones. I mean, when someone's phone doesn't work to expectation they get upset in a way that they wouldn't if their refrigerator wasn't keeping the milk cold enough. (That applies to me too, BTW. Why else would I be posting on the internet about the 5X's battery life!)

I do see what you mean. When I said most I really meant that more people were in the 2-3 hours category than any other category. Sorry if that cause any confusion. The graph also shows that most people(~83%) are getting 4 hours or less with, as I said, the biggest group being the 2-3 hours group. I think that this clearly shows that a lot of people are having battery life problems.

I wouldn't say I'm "emotionally" invested in my phone. I just want it to have power when I want/need it.

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Unfortunately some would rather ignore information that doesn't suit their own needs. Confirmation bias can be very powerful. I'm not even sure why they come to XDA if they're not interested in helping themselves or listening to reason.

We can find the same types in every device forum. For example in the Nexus 6p battery thread many are reporting 4-5 hours SoT and a couple people wondering why they can't get more than 2 hours SoT. Of course 9 times out of 10 it's just poor signal or one of the apps they installed but since they refuse to attempt the simplest troubleshooting steps ("it should just work") they will just sit there and complain day after day until they finally buy an iphone and never have to deal with "confusing" screen on statistics again.

Another result with 50% manual brightness and most settings enabled.

I don't recall anyone ever providing any reasonable troubleshooting steps. Turning off all the features and uninstalling apps isn't a reasonable solution since it would basically make having a smartphone kind of pointless. Some people come here because they don't know what to try and they are looking for help and often get responses that basically say if you want better battery life don't use your phone or don't be in places that have weak signal(like that is even an option for most people) and think that is a solution. And by the way, poor signal is NOT my issue and based on many screen shots I've seen here it isn't the problem "9 times out of 10". Based on the Reddit poll that has been referenced several times there are a LOT of people getting less than 4 hours SOT with the 2-3 hours option getting more votes than any other option. That isn't confirmation bias. It's a sign of a real problem that many people seem to be having. People aren't willing to admit that a 2,700mAh battery just doesn't meet the power requirements for the phone.
 
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Interesting, I had a similar numbered process show up using around 1% of my battery. I haven't a clue what it is. The number was 99033.
I think this happened with Nexus 5/KK release and they eventually fixed it. Happened to me then if so, and happening now.
 

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I usually get 3.5 hours SOT, lots of data usage. I decided to watch a locally stored movie on my phone for the first time. Probably going to get over 11 hours of video playback.

Started at 96% finished at 75%, movie was 2 hours 45 minutes long. H.264, 1280*720, 1.03 GB file. Playback was done in MX Player with HW decode on for all.

WiFi was on but not used really the whole time.

Interesting test and results, thanks for sharing. Based on estimated power usage would I be correct in guessing somewhere around 25% brightness was used?
 

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    I think the best test without actually having the phone yet is to compare the battery life of the Nexus 5X to the original Nexus 5 of 2013 under the same test conditions.

    The Ars Technica test showed the Nexus 5 getting 400 minutes and the Nexus 5X getting 548 minutes using the same test. That is a 37% improvement of the Nexus 5X compared to the Nexus 5.

    The Phone Arena test showed the Nexus 5 getting 4 hr 50 min and the Nexus 5X getting 6 hr 25 min using the same test. That is a 33% improvement of the Nexus 5X compared to the Nexus 5.

    Nexus 5 battery life (Ars Technica):
    http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nexus-5-review.012.png

    Nexus 5X battery life (Ars Technica):
    http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...view-chart-template-final-full-width.0121.jpg

    Nexus 5 battery life (Phone Arena):
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Golden-middle-our-Nexus-5-battery-life-test-is-here_id49127

    Nexus 5X battery life (Phone Arena):
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Nexus-5X-battery-life-test-results-are-out_id74852


    Based on those comparisons I'd expect the Nexus 5X to get about 35% better battery life compared to the Nexus 5 during actual usage. When I first got my Nexus 5 I was getting just barely 4 hours screen on time. At a 35% increase the Nexus 5X should get like 5.5 hours screen on time.

    I can live with that. Plus, stand by time should be improved with Doze.

    My Nexus 5X is coming late next week. I'll just have to wait and see how it goes.
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    No need to do a complete drain and full charge cycle on modern batteries. That's a relic from old times. Actually it's best not to let the battery drain completely.

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    Hi

    Do any of you feel that having ambient display on will hurt the battery. I've held my phone upside down (like it would be in my pocket) and I can shake the phone and get the screen on. So, I'm wondering how often it's turning on in my pocket.

    From what I can tell when the phone is covered ambient display doesn't come on as the proximity sensor knows it is covered up, try it with your hand over the sensor and pick up the phone, no ambient display, so no it will not turn on in your pocket, happy days. :D

    Regards

    Phil

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    Hi

    I'm not understanding how ambient display works anyway given the display is lcd. Highly inefficient no?

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    Ambient display is nothing new, you used to be able to set Android phones to turn the display on when a notification came through yonks ago, the only difference today is they can optimise the power draw on AMOLED displays by making it all black with white text, add features like pick up to wake etc.

    For an LCD display you are correct in that ambient display uses the same power as if the screen was full on, but it is only on for a few seconds so overall isn't going to make very much difference, and if it is on a desk or table and we can see the notification isn't important, we've saved some power anyway from not going into the phone and reading it. I'm pretty sure as well doze mode will turn off ambient display, so it's not lighting up at night when the phone has been idle for a while and we are unlikely to be with it, plus it doesn't operate when it's in a pocket or covered case.

    If we say ambient display is on for 4 seconds and it gets triggered 100 times a day (unlikely for most), that's around 7 minutes taken from our screen on time, so probably not noticeable overall, but if that has saved us turning on the phone and reading irrelevant messages some of the time, we've probably broken even or gained some.

    Just enjoy the feature I say and not worry about battery power.

    Regards

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    I find it pretty disappointing. Mine is coming next week but if that's the kind of battery life if get I'll likely send it back. Can't even managed a full 4 hours of real usage?

    Wow. I'd suggest cancelling the order now. Ended up with almost 4.5 hours of SOT, and it far exceeds my expectation.

    Really not sure what I would be doing to need more SOT. It's a phone.
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    150 nits is how much on the brightness scale? 50%?

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    PA showed the display on the 5X to have 487nits. So maybe 150 is about 31%?
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