Nightsight need to be the default camera setting.

[von_block]

After reading the Google ai blog about Nightsight and testing the functionality intensely, i realise that Nightsight is the best setting for every single pictures on the Pixel 2.

Nightsight superiority come with motion metering. An exclusivity to the Pixel 3 HDR+ mode but also available on Nightsight with the pixel og and 2.

In short, motion metering analyse the phone movement (how much you shake) and the scene movement. Base on that, the camera will adjust the iso and shutter time but also the number of frames it will take to compose the image, all of that to create the best picture. Without motion metering, the phone only adjust its setting based on light intensity of the scene.

For exemple, the scene Is still and you're almost not shaking, the camera will use a much lower iso and longer shutter time to create lowest noise possible.

Another exemple, the kids are moving fast, they are playing, camera with motion metering will use an higher iso and faster shutter time to capture the moment. The picture will have more noise, but the moment will get captured!

After testing about 100 pictures, Nightsight is always superior to HDR+, except in broad daylight were they are equal (all use low iso and fast shutter time in those instances).

Motion metering is really one of the perk that help Pixel 3 reduce the noise in the picture and unfortunately, we can only get this with Nightsight.

To help motion metering do it's job, you need before pushing the triggers reduce you're movement to what you will most likely reproduce while taking the picture

 

[EeZeEpEe]

I would think it's actually not good for action shots like kids and sports because there's a pause. [emoji848]

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[von_block]

I would think it's actually not good for action shots like kids and sports because there's a pause. [emoji848]

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Nope, it's meant for movement.

The pause you see is because it capture pictures after you press the shutter while HDR+ mode has already capture the picture once you press the button. HDR+ is an infinite loop that capture about 15 pictures and when you press the shutter, it take the last 15. This is why there's no perceptibly delay, the pictures were already taken!

Here an exemple:

My hand is moving in front of the camera

With normal HDR+ mode it use iso of 467 with a shutter time of 1/60. The image is blurry

With Nightsight, it detect the movement and use an iso of 1684 and a fast shutter time of 1/236. This is Much better to capture a fast moving image. The image is less blurry.



Now the last image is my hand not moving. Nightsight detect no movement so it lower the iso to a super low iso of 50 and a shutter time of 1/6. The image is almost perfect. Much better for no movement and to capture more light! With normal HDR+ mode, it would still use iso of 467 with a shutter time of 1/60.

Nightsight does all this automatically. It's so superior it turn normal HDR+ like a bad product

 

[EeZeEpEe]

I was talking about a pause as in shutter lag from pressing the button to actually getting the pic captured. Are you comparing with "HDR+ On" or "HDR+ Enhanced"? "On" has zero shutter lag while "enhanced" has shutter lag. I feel like Night Sight isn't as fast as "On" in shutter response. So yes it might bump up the shutter speed and ISO but if there's a lag in actually capturing the pic, you'll still miss the shot. Unless you have something like Top Shot which doesn't work with Night Sight I believe.

Nope, it's meant for movement.

The pause you see is because it capture pictures after you press the shutter while HDR+ mode has already capture the picture once you press the button. HDR+ is an infinite loop that capture about 15 pictures and when you press the shutter, it take the last 15. This is why there's no perceptibly delay, the pictures were already taken!

Here an exemple:

My hand is moving in front of the camera

With normal HDR+ mode it use iso of 467 with a shutter time of 1/60. The image is blurry

With Nightsight, it detect the movement and use an iso of 1684 and a fast shutter time of 1/236. This is Much better to capture a fast moving image. The image is less blurry.



Now the last image is my hand not moving. Nightsight detect no movement so it lower the iso to a super low iso of 50 and a shutter time of 1/6. The image is almost perfect. Much better for no movement and to capture more light! With normal HDR+ mode, it would still use iso of 467 with a shutter time of 1/60.

Nightsight does all this automatically. It's so superior it turn normal HDR+ like a bad product

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[von_block]

I was talking about a pause as in shutter lag from pressing the button to actually getting the pic captured. Are you comparing with "HDR+ On" or "HDR+ Enhanced"? "On" has zero shutter lag while "enhanced" has shutter lag. I feel like Night Sight isn't as fast as "On" in shutter response. So yes it might bump up the shutter speed and ISO but if there's a lag in actually capturing the pic, you'll still miss the shot. Unless you have something like Top Shot which doesn't work with Night Sight I believe.

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Only HDR turned off capture the exact moment. HDR+ ZSL capture the last 1/2 second before pressing the button while Nightsight capture the 1/2 second after.

It's a different philosophy. At least, the picture with Nightsight will capture it in a sharper way.

 

[EeZeEpEe]

At least, the picture with Nightsight will capture it in a sharper way.

If the subject is even in the frame the way you expect it to be when pressing, for example, no blink vs blinking.

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[von_block]

If the subject is even in the frame the way you expect it to be when pressing, for example, no blink vs blinking.

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Only HDR turned off capture the exact moment!

ZLS is always before you click the button!

 

[EeZeEpEe]

Nope. I just timed getting a blink on purpose with ZSL and got it perfectly. Definitely can't do that with Night Sight.

Only HDR turned off capture the exact moment!

ZLS is always before you click the button!

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[von_block]

Nope. I just timed getting a blink on purpose with ZSL and got it perfectly. Definitely can't do that with Night Sight. View attachment 4671789

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Human reaction time fit ZLS description.

Capturing 1/2 second before the capture.

That's how ZLS work dude, it capture the image before you click, it's not even open for debate. Read Google AI blog there's no denying that.

Anyway you're nit picking, that's a straw men strategy and it's getting old. That was not the point of the original post. Use HDR+ and be done with it

 

[EeZeEpEe]

Hey you're the one who said Night Sight is "the best setting for every single picture". I prefer it used for actual night photos as I hate shutter lag. Just saying.

Human reaction time fit ZLS description.

Capturing 1/2 second before the capture.

That's how ZLS work dude, it capture the image before you click, it's not even open for debate. Read Google AI blog there's no denying that.

Anyway you're nit picking, that's a straw men strategy and it's getting old. That was not the point of the original post. Use HDR+ and be done with it

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[von_block]

Hey you're the one who said Night Sight is "the best setting for every single picture". I prefer it used for actual night photos as I hate shutter lag. Just saying.

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Best setting for picture quality that's still true.

I prefer great picture with more details and less noise instead of a bit of lag.

 

[cd993]

I agree!

I thought via Nova Launcher and having an activity shortcut that we could perhaps jump straight to the night sight mode, but unfortunately no such available exists....

Would love to be able to choose night sight by default

 

[von_block]

I agree!

I thought via Nova Launcher and having an activity shortcut that we could perhaps jump straight to the night sight mode, but unfortunately no such available exists....

Would love to be able to choose night sight by default

If you download the latest Cstark27 camera, there's a setting to have Nightsight popup always on.

So when you open the camera, you can click directly to open Nightsight.

This camera also come with auto tracking and other pixel 3 exclusive.

Link: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/P3v9.1_GoogleCamera_6.1.021.apk

 

[cd993]

If you download the latest Cstark27 camera, there's a setting to have Nightsight popup always on.

So when you open the camera, you can click directly to open Nightsight.

This camera also come with auto tracking and other pixel 3 exclusive.

Link: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/P3v9.1_GoogleCamera_6.1.021.apk

Thanks!

Though annoyingly I'm getting an issue with this. Apologies to go slight off topic, though I tried installing this over an older Cstark27 gcam mod and it wouldn't. So I uninstalled that one, installed the new one, gave it all its requested permissions and it just closes as soon as I open it....

Tried rebooting and clearing its data, but no luck. Pixel 2 XL user on latest HavocOS rom. I can try get a log of that may help or indeed post this issue elsewhere!

 

[von_block]

Thanks!

Though annoyingly I'm getting an issue with this. Apologies to go slight off topic, though I tried installing this over an older Cstark27 gcam mod and it wouldn't. So I uninstalled that one, installed the new one, gave it all its requested permissions and it just closes as soon as I open it....

Tried rebooting and clearing its data, but no luck. Pixel 2 XL user on latest HavocOS rom. I can try get a log of that may help or indeed post this issue elsewhere!

Maybe because you're on a custom ROM....

Never had any problem!

I guess you could go in the thread of that Gcam and mention Cstark27 and give him a log.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/themes/pixel-3-3-xl-exclusive-camera-features-t3853471

 

[cd993]

Maybe because you're on a custom ROM....

Never had any problem!

I guess you could go in the thread of that Gcam and mention Cstark27 and give him a log.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/themes/pixel-3-3-xl-exclusive-camera-features-t3853471

Just managed to get it working - I reflashed the vendor.img and uninstalled/reinstalled the apk and all is well now. Cheers!

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Maybe because you're on a custom ROM....

Never had any problem!

I guess you could go in the thread of that Gcam and mention Cstark27 and give him a log.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/themes/pixel-3-3-xl-exclusive-camera-features-t3853471

Just managed to get it working - I reflashed the vendor.img and uninstalled/reinstalled the apk and all is well now. Cheers!

 

[webvan]

If you download the latest Cstark27 camera, there's a setting to have Nightsight popup always on.

So when you open the camera, you can click directly to open Nightsight.

This camera also come with auto tracking and other pixel 3 exclusive.

Link: https://f.celsoazevedo.com/file/gcamera/P3v9.1_GoogleCamera_6.1.021.apk

Great news, will try that on my Nokia 8 as it was getting a bit annoying to swipe and activate NS each time !