Nokia World 2011

[xaccers]

funny, HTC has used the same design probably 40 times since the HD2 and no one complained. Also, it's tough to report a gain when you've released nothing and they just switched operating systems.

Cool, would you care to list the 40 phones using the HD2 shell? That'd be great.

 

[N8ter]

Evo desire hd7 and incredible series all use a "similar" chassis design and hardware, among others. Hoc so recycle designs a lot. It's why a lot of their phones share the same issues. Small batteries, dubious cameras, attenuation issues, etc.


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[wassupjg]

Nokia build quality is always good

 

[upichie]

I am doubting lumia 800's success. I don't want to buy a phone that has old hardware, very old gpu, no NFC, no front camera, only a 3.7 inch screen because I'm gonna be using it for more than a year and technology is moving fast.
Maybe it's because i play games a lot and use the front facing cam that is why i feel that lumia 800 is underwelming.

But I do think that the lumia is perfect for first time smartphone users.

Their new S40 phones/ Asha family will be more of a success.

You, my good sir, should stick to Android phones (or switch to them, if you aren't already a user).

Phones are not all about specs. Faster CPU, better GPU, larger battery—these numbers do not mean everything when it comes to the end-user experience. These phones, quite likely, will stack up just fine against every other competitive phone out there. If you don't care about the user experience and would rather use a phone thinking about the engraved numbers on each individual piece of hardware, then you shouldn't be looking at WP7/Nokia devices.

 

[Codax]

800 has a good looking!
I wanna have one

 

[z33dev33l]

The 1.4 GHz processor on that 800 can outperform any android device at least up to the gs2, gotta love optimized coding.

 

[upichie]

The 1.4 GHz processor on that 800 can outperform any android device at least up to the gs2, gotta love optimized coding.

No surprise you're directly attacking Android.

How long ago was the SGS2 released again? 7 months ago? Gotta love out-performing the competitions old hardware.

 

[Ezeh]

i think that nokia has the potential to make great phones, but they are simply too late to the game IMO.

 

[vnvman]

No surprise you're directly attacking Android.

How long ago was the SGS2 released again? 7 months ago? Gotta love out-performing the competitions old hardware.

Well, actually optimization does make the difference: the 3gs has the hardware of the lower end androids, but those ones lag like hell while the 3gs is still buttery smooth. Wanna feel the difference irl? Try playing Modern Combat 2 both on a Galaxy Ace and a 3gs: the game will result unplayable and look horrible on the Ace, while a 3gs will be able to run it much much smoother, also way smoother than my GS2, and with much more detailed textures and higher aa. Anyway, seeing how far games are going, i think that hardware will become quite important in the near future: i highly doubt the good old Snapdragon SOC will be able to handle games like Shadowgun, so also WP7 phones will be forced to get better specced, at least for gaming purposes.

 

[orb3000]

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Last warning, keep it in peace and on topic, netx time will be closing and giving some infractions

 

[z33dev33l]

The Nokia chassis is not a direct copy of the n9, there are new buttons and the camera flash has moved. I'm hoping my lumia 800s will come in the mail soon.

 

[neuTrue]

For me Nokia world is really a disaster for Nokia.
No real Symbian phones and only S40?
There own Windows phone wasn't that great ether.
They didn't even mention anything about Meego (Tizen?).
What a shame.

 

[z33dev33l]

For me Nokia world is really a disaster for Nokia.
No real Symbian phones and only S40?
There own Windows phone wasn't that great ether.
They didn't even mention anything about Meego (Tizen?).
What a shame.

Symbian has been dropped and meego support is minimal, they've adopted a quality OS now.

 

[neuTrue]

Symbian has been dropped and meego support is minimal, they've adopted a quality OS now.

"Quality OS" you say? I say a basic OS. WP7 might have a future after 2 years or 3 when it gets matured. Until then, Symbian seemed to me the right way to go and only needed couple of right focused decisions. Like following Android approach by allowing any apps to takeover Nokia apps. Ex: 3rd party could develop SMS application and when you receive an app its defaulted to be 3rd party app. Google did it and is doing this for Android, for example the calculator and Messaging app was so basic and do I dear to say It was useless (looking at ICS this seems changed)!

Symbian might be dropped in future, but till then its not been disconnected. Symbian Belle is good and I hoped for better version in future. Aside from that, Symbian OS is more advance than others ,but the poor execution and decisions ruined it.


I agree with you about Meego. Also, Nokia (Elop?) insist of creating obstacles as Aegis isn't doing any good for Meego at this time...

If the whole Nokia/Windows Phone failed and Nokia survived, I'd be happy to apply for a CEO position.

 

[z33dev33l]

"Quality OS" you say? I say a basic OS. WP7 might have a future after 2 years or 3 when it gets matured. Until then, Symbian seemed to me the right way to go and only needed couple of right focused decisions. Like following Android approach by allowing any apps to takeover Nokia apps. Ex: 3rd party could develop SMS application and when you receive an app its defaulted to be 3rd party app. Google did it and is doing this for Android, for example the calculator and Messaging app was so basic and do I dear to say It was useless (looking at ICS this seems changed)!

Symbian might be dropped in future, but till then its not been disconnected. Symbian Belle is good and I hoped for better version in future. Aside from that, Symbian OS is more advance than others ,but the poor execution and decisions ruined it.


I agree with you about Meego. Also, Nokia (Elop?) insist of creating obstacles as Aegis isn't doing any good for Meego at this time...

If the whole Nokia/Windows Phone failed and Nokia survived, I'd be happy to apply for a CEO position.

Nokia has always been pretty adamant about controlling their operating systems, the problem is that they're a hardware company first, likely the best mobile hardware company ever. Now, they've paired with the single biggest software titan ever to form something outstanding. Wp7 is perfectly matured and much more so than some bigger operating systems. It's focus group is just different than some. I mean as far as things like UX go it's infinitely better than android, meego, maemo, Symbian, and pretty much anything short of iOS. The integration or "peoplecentric" of all things social is second to none, there is no concern for lag, even on hardware that is two years old (a veritable lifetime in the mobile world) and the integration with things like Xbox, Microsoft office, and Zune provides a media experience that I find tough to see anyone rival. Wp7 is the first OS I've used that is an absolute joy to use and everything is so dynamic and lively that going back to most other OSes is painful. Nokia doesn't want a second-rate android. They want something new and outstanding.

 

[MartyLK]

"Quality OS" you say? I say a basic OS. WP7 might have a future after 2 years or 3 when it gets matured. Until then, Symbian seemed to me the right way to go and only needed couple of right focused decisions. Like following Android approach by allowing any apps to takeover Nokia apps. Ex: 3rd party could develop SMS application and when you receive an app its defaulted to be 3rd party app. Google did it and is doing this for Android, for example the calculator and Messaging app was so basic and do I dear to say It was useless (looking at ICS this seems changed)!

Symbian might be dropped in future, but till then its not been disconnected. Symbian Belle is good and I hoped for better version in future. Aside from that, Symbian OS is more advance than others ,but the poor execution and decisions ruined it.


I agree with you about Meego. Also, Nokia (Elop?) insist of creating obstacles as Aegis isn't doing any good for Meego at this time...

If the whole Nokia/Windows Phone failed and Nokia survived, I'd be happy to apply for a CEO position.

WP7 certainly will mature and get better, but it already surpasses all other OSes for quality. If you can't see that, you aren't looking at the OS, you're looking at its appearance. Whatever the appearance is to someone, and it can be simple or elegant depending on the person, that's a matter of personal taste. Quality can be experienced throughout the system, though. Fast and clean is one example of the quality of WP7. It is one of, if not the actual, fastest booting smartphone OSes ever created. And is one of the fastest responding ever created.

 

[neuTrue]

Wp7 is perfectly matured and much more so than some bigger operating systems.

Would you mind to be more specific around this?
Let's take a simple ,yet very important feature like changing the font size. Wp7 that is "perfectly matured and much more so" doesn't have such a basic and important feature. For sake of valid argument, Android doesn't have it and doesn't even seems to care to support it. In contrast to some matured operating systems like for example: Symbian, Blackberries and even good old Windows Mobile support this.

It's focus group is just different than some. I mean as far as things like UX go it's infinitely better than android, meego, maemo, Symbian, and pretty much anything short of iOS.

Well, yes Wp7 is so much focused on certain group rather than it being adaptive to people needs. More like "Its my way or the highway", Android customizability & Symbian seems to wins in this part. In terms of UX it isn't accurate to claim its infintly better, which means in future it can't be even enhanced (you knows its inf+ better). UX is more than personal preference, however it doesn't seem so much particle for everyday uses. Specifically for people who cares more about getting their jobs done rather than wasting their time.

The integration or "peoplecentric" of all things social is second to none, there is no concern for lag, even on hardware that is two years old (a veritable lifetime in the mobile world) and the integration with things like Xbox, Microsoft office, and Zune provides a media experience that I find tough to see anyone rival.

So, if I don't have a facebook , twitter or other social accounts I am being left of enjoying this experience or going to effect it? seems not good at all. About the hardware ("Snapdragon QSD8X50, MSM7X30, and MSM8X55") as minimum requirement they aren't minimum at all. Sure with using capable hardwares (more likely to hide its software flaws and requiring less time to code & optimize) so you won't find any lag . I can't talk about Xbox & Zune at this point. But, with Microsoft Office, sure its useful and having official support is better than none. You need to be aware that there are alternatives for almost all you mentioned and it can be integrated with other OS's as well. Like Skype which Microsoft acquired is not only limited to Wp7.

Wp7 is the first OS I've used that is an absolute joy to use and everything is so dynamic and lively that going back to most other OSes is painful. Nokia doesn't want a second-rate android. They want something new and outstanding.

Glade you find your source of joy, still Meego (linux) & Symbian had potential that Nokia wasn't capable of showing it.

Anyway, I am off to sleep. Good Night/Morning.


Edit:
@MartyLK, I will reply to you latter

 

[cobraboy85]

The Nokia Kinetic flex display, bend your device one way to zoom in and the other to zoom out, there are numerous other applications for this but quite frankly, I just can't wait.

So, what do you think of Nokia's new offerings. They also released the Asha series running Series 40 which is an OS between smartphones and dumbphones to aid developing countries in accessing the internet.
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Just to go back to the root of this thread and try to get back on track… this nokia phone is literally an eyesore to me. Tiny little screen, stupid innovation (flex screen… seriously that is just dumb I don’t know what they were thinking.. how is that convenient at all? You know what is convenient, a simple little double tap on the screen to zoom in and out.)

This phone had to be designed for midgets with tiny little midget fingers. They will be the only ones able to see anything or interact with anything on the screen.

The unibody is terrible looking. Nokia needs to step it up. I wouldn’t pay for this phone if it was the last phone available on the planet.

 

[z33dev33l]

Would you mind to be more specific around this?
Let's take a simple ,yet very important feature like changing the font size. Wp7 that is "perfectly matured and much more so" doesn't have such a basic and important feature. For sake of valid argument, Android doesn't have it and doesn't even seems to care to support it. In contrast to some matured operating systems like for example: Symbian, Blackberries and even good old Windows Mobile support this.

important? What is so integral and important about changing font size? No considerable OS has this built in.

Well, yes Wp7 is so much focused on certain group rather than it being adaptive to people needs. More like "Its my way or the highway", Android customizability & Symbian seems to wins in this part. In terms of UX it isn't accurate to claim its infintly better, which means in future it can't be even enhanced (you knows its inf+ better). UX is more than personal preference, however it doesn't seem so much particle for everyday uses. Specifically for people who cares more about getting their jobs done rather than wasting their time.

and for that customization you sacrifice quality. You get lag, you get force closes, you get a poorly pieced together OS that you're expected to piece together.

So, if I don't have a facebook , twitter or other social accounts I am being left of enjoying this experience or going to effect it? seems not good at all. About the hardware ("Snapdragon QSD8X50, MSM7X30, and MSM8X55") as minimum requirement they aren't minimum at all. Sure with using capable hardwares (more likely to hide its software flaws and requiring less time to code & optimize) so you won't find any lag . I can't talk about Xbox & Zune at this point. But, with Microsoft Office, sure its useful and having official support is better than none. You need to be aware that there are alternatives for almost all you mentioned and it can be integrated with other OS's as well. Like Skype which Microsoft acquired is not only limited to Wp7.

so, android is allowed to lag relentlessly on a dual core but WP7 isn't allowed to set a requirement of two year old easy to obtain hardware to make their phones the smoothest on the market? There's no software issues. I suppose if you dont utilize either of 2 of the 4 most visited sites online then you are missing out on a small aspect of a still outstanding operating system.

Glade you find your source of joy, still Meego (linux) & Symbian had potential that Nokia wasn't capable of showing it.

Anyway, I am off to sleep. Good Night/Morning.


Edit:
@MartyLK, I will reply to you latter

nokia is an outstanding software and hardware company. They simply didn't want to be a second rate android when they could be part of something new and amazing.

 

[lowandbehold]

Z33, I don't understand how in the same post you talk about Nokia's use of old outdated hardware, and then say they have some of the best hardware out. Your statements contradict themselves.

WP7 will never get past #3 in the market share. People who want simple and secure will use IOS. People that want customization and availability will use Android. WP7 will never be more than a novelty. You cannot honestly say that you think it will overtake Android as #1.