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aureum

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First your iphone shows incorrect maximum capacity. Google it

"iPhone’s battery health information is not accurate, testing finds"​


Second point heat makes a huge difference.

Third point is that exactly 500 cycles is not true. It's approximately 500. That cycles count depends on various factors. So first learn some science and then mention it.
Iphone is just example. It already lost 1h of sot. Heat is same danger for the capacity as high voltage charge and deep discharge. And that is the point with 500 cycles. From 0 to 100 is one cycle, from 30 to 85 is 0.3 cycle and that is whole point of 80% charge to go from 500 cycles to 900 or more or less.
 

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What is ur average idle battery drain? Cuz I am having like 1-1,5%/h with only wifi on with BT,NFC, Location, LTE off. I dont know if it shouldnt be lower, I am reading that ppl are saying they get 3-4% drain over night (dunno if they turn off Wifi or not), but in night with only wifi on I get like 8% drain.
 

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What is ur average idle battery drain? Cuz I am having like 1-1,5%/h with only wifi on with BT,NFC, Location, LTE off. I dont know if it shouldnt be lower, I am reading that ppl are saying they get 3-4% drain over night (dunno if they turn off Wifi or not), but in night with only wifi on I get like 8% drain.
This phone is perplexing with the standby drain. One day I'll be getting .8% and the next day 1.5-2%. Same location, same SIM cards, similar activity.
 

ssj100

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Well there's no doubt that
Well I can tell you from my own experience.

1. I'm charging my company iphone always 100 by night. After 12 months ios shows already lost of 15% in capacity and I'm getting shorts sot already.

2. In my company (that I work for 16y) we use lenovo ThinkPad laptops. On begining like all ppl we use them 100 to 20% mostly. IT need to change batteries every year. After New policy and lenovo vantage options we now use charge to 80% and not charge if battery is higher than 30%. Now IT need to change our batteries every 3 or more years and on my p53 after 3 y I have still same SOT I was have on begining. And company save aaaaa lot money for batteries as ws we have tons of laptops.

3. I have a RC hobby. I fly with 3D helicopters, boats and planes. I use lithium polymer batteries, as for maintanance they are same as li ion. I'm in my hobby for 16y now. Some of my batteries that are F expensive have now 8 y and only 5% loose in capacity. The only rule is do not discharge below 20% and do not left it full for longer than needed (we charge them full just before flight and flight takes 5 minutes) . I use digital chargers that gives info how many mah I can put back to them so in example 2200mah bat after flight have like 400 mah left and I still put 1500 mah I. 8 y old bat.

So yes. The last 15% is wearing battery more than charge often to 85%. As battery reach full capacity the higher is voltage and resistant during charging. Resistance is a key as it makes permanent wear on electrodes. The lower resistance the longer battery life. It is just chemistry.

With my old s10+ that I never discharge below 30% and mostly charge to 85% after 4y I only loose 1h of sot...
I completely agree that there are certainly many ways to "save" battery health, and how you describe the above (in quite a wide variety of scenarios and not even quoting Samsung devices in a comparative way) is probably not the most optimal way to do it either - that is, you could probably save even more, but inconvenience/impracticality would start becoming an issue. However, the question is whether it's worth changing approaches at all specifically for Samsung devices.

I know for Electric Cars, some batteries are much better at reducing degradation than others. Generally, there have been significant improvements all around as battery tech improves. The Blade battery for example is so good at reducing degradation that the manufacturer/sales companies don't bother suggesting/recommending their customers charge to 85-90% only like many other brands do.

I can't speak for the iPhone or for laptops/tablets (also wouldn't surprise me if you're using old models which have older anti-degradation battery tech etc), but I can share my real-world experience with having owned 3 previous Samsung phones (prior to S23 Ultra). With the S7 (owned for 2-years) and S9+ (owned for 3-years), I observed what I'd subjectively say as mild degradation by charging to 100% overnight (and thus leaving it "on charge" at 100% for at least 4-6 hours a day). I use the term "mild degradation" as it did not impact my everyday use of the phone at all in terms of battery life. This is what is actually important, rather than measuring some number with some app which may or may not be accurate.

With the S21 Ultra (owned for 2-years), I actually stopped leaving the phone charging overnight, but always topped up to 100% in the evenings (before bedtime) and then disconnected the charger once it hit 100%. That would be the only period of time I'd charge the phone on the vast majority of days. When the phone was brand new, the estimated battery life reported by Device Care ("A full charge will last about") was 2 days and 2 hours. 2-years later, it remains the same. However, more importantly (as referenced above), I also noticed no change in everyday use of the phone in terms of battery life.

Anyway, it's possible that Samsung battery tech is better than (older) iPhone models and other laptops. Who knows really. But anyway, I still don't see any compelling reason to only charge to 85% for my specific use case, but it's interesting to read about other people's experiences.
 
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I simply unchecked all fast charging.

I charge the phone overnight and I don't care how fast it charges but I figure the slower it charges the better for the battery. I use the phone heavy throughout the day and lowest percentage on battery at the end of the day was 40%.

I figure if I ever need to fast charge I can just change the settings.

I also try not to charge more than once a day.

Hopefully this should help keep the battery health in a good condition for longest.
 

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I noticed that charging the battery to 100% is more convenient for me rather than using the 85% option, since I can do 2 full days with one single charge and keeping the battery above 20%.

Therefore, I have created a routine to charge the battery in this way: it first charges to 85% and after 5h, it charges to 100%, this basically replicates "Optimized Charging" from OnePlus, and according to OnePlus, it improves long-term battery health (the point is to lower the amount of time it stays on 100%).

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But I do not know if this true and will improve long-term battery health, any thoughts?
Could you show me how exactly did you setup this routine? I would like to set it up similar to yours, go to sleep, put phone on my wireless charger, charge it at around 75% first and then fully charge it to 100% I hour max before I wake up.
 

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This phone is perplexing with the standby drain. One day I'll be getting .8% and the next day 1.5-2%. Same location, same SIM cards, similar activity.
For me I find using the phone with mobile data delivers better battery life than WiFi, I charge my phone to 100% for bedtime and 7 hours later I have lost 3-5% on WiFi but 1-2% on mobile data, using gsam battery monitor I see on WiFi the NLP collector wakelock and another NLP wakelock has my phone awake over 10mins but on mobile data these wakelocks are no more than 10 seconds, so must be bug in the WiFi that keeps my phone awake, hopefully a software update will fix this
 

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For me I find using the phone with mobile data delivers better battery life than WiFi, I charge my phone to 100% for bedtime and 7 hours later I have lost 3-5% on WiFi but 1-2% on mobile data, using gsam battery monitor I see on WiFi the NLP collector wakelock and another NLP wakelock has my phone awake over 10mins but on mobile data these wakelocks are no more than 10 seconds, so must be bug in the WiFi that keeps my phone awake, hopefully a software update will fix this
Yeah it does seem like mobile data has better standby drain than wifi. I noticed that myself. It's not a big deal to me though, phone gets me through a full day with ease. I would rather not have to upgrade my mobile data plan lol.
 

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For me I find using the phone with mobile data delivers better battery life than WiFi, I charge my phone to 100% for bedtime and 7 hours later I have lost 3-5% on WiFi but 1-2% on mobile data, using gsam battery monitor I see on WiFi the NLP collector wakelock and another NLP wakelock has my phone awake over 10mins but on mobile data these wakelocks are no more than 10 seconds, so must be bug in the WiFi that keeps my phone awake, hopefully a software update will fix this
On WiFi (and I presume mobile data too), I've noticed it takes quite some time to drop from 100% to 99% - even with AOD "show always", it will take around 2 hours! I recall this is like Apple, as in it sorta "fakes" at 100% charge for longer than it actually is?

Does anyone else notice this too?
 

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On WiFi (and I presume mobile data too), I've noticed it takes quite some time to drop from 100% to 99% - even with AOD "show always", it will take around 2 hours! I recall this is like Apple, as in it sorta "fakes" at 100% charge for longer than it actually is?

Does anyone else notice this too?
Yes I notice this too, I remember my s22 and s21 would drop to 99% after a minute or two even without using it but my s23 stays at 100 for a couple of hours, the worse phone I had with this tho was a Huawei mate 10 pro a few years back, it stayed at 100 for maybe 6 hours after with light use then when the battery fell below 80% it sank super fast
 

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Yea it is strange a little I have very weak mobile data signal and still standby battery drain is pretty close to wifi battery drain. In previous phones (s22u, IP13) I had twice more idle battery drain on mobile data than wifi. but probably they will fix it somehow in future updates.
 

ssj100

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Yes I notice this too, I remember my s22 and s21 would drop to 99% after a minute or two even without using it but my s23 stays at 100 for a couple of hours, the worse phone I had with this tho was a Huawei mate 10 pro a few years back, it stayed at 100 for maybe 6 hours after with light use then when the battery fell below 80% it sank super fast
Thanks for confirming - yes my S21 Ultra would drop from 100% to 99% within 10-15 minutes or so with AOD "show always", so this is quite a difference with the S23 Ultra taking around 2 hours!
 

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Curious on faking %...


Do your phones drop charge like a bag of bricks after ~30%? I noticed that both my Note 10+ and S22U (when I had one for a short time) would do their battery like this.

Then 5% happens and the phone just shuts off.

Adopted a S22U early so I know it had some charge shenanigans early on, but curious if 23U do the same?
 

ssj100

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Curious on faking %...


Do your phones drop charge like a bag of bricks after ~30%? I noticed that both my Note 10+ and S22U (when I had one for a short time) would do their battery like this.

Then 5% happens and the phone just shuts off.

Adopted a S22U early so I know it had some charge shenanigans early on, but curious if 23U do the same?
I've only ever gone down below 50-60% once or twice so far on the S23 Ultra (was doing it on purpose to get down to 0% in order to "calibrate") - I noticed a more dramatic drop once it got <5-10%. Definitely at 4-5%, using moderate-high CPU consumption apps seemed to drop it very quickly.
 

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I find it ironic that if the overall goal is to have the battery last longer for a better user experience; How is deliberately reducing the charge to 85% to prevent the permanent loss of battery capacity create an overall better user experience, when you are penalizing yourself every charge. LOL! That's like running slower in a race to prevent injury but losing deliberately.
 

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I find it ironic that if the overall goal is to have the battery last longer for a better user experience; How is deliberately reducing the charge to 85% to prevent the permanent loss of battery capacity create an overall better user experience, when you are penalizing yourself every charge. LOL! That's like running slower in a race to prevent injury but losing deliberately.
yeah but this is chemical science, and it applies on all li-ion batteries since it exist.
Not because Samsung give this option for nerds, that you have to use it.
 

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    Could you provide prints of your used settings?
    Sure.
    Screenshot_20230523_160540_Galaxy MaxHz.png
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    I've resisted the urge to take the plunge towards Galaxy Hz app this long...Since this is a native 120 hz display, restricting it to 96 hz could mean choppy animations? Is this true?
    Leave it at 120hz. Battery life is already great. Or use the light mode if you need even more.
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    I've had the S23 Ultra since launch day and this is one of the best phone Samsung has put out in a while. I came from the s21 Ultra which was a very good phone but the battery life on this thing is insane. I'm including an extended screenshot and this is just moderate use but still I could easily get 10 hours on screen time and I haven't put this on a charger in over 4 days.
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    What is your phone smoking??

    How can you get such unbelievable battery life/ SOnT??
    Well I do have that app called Galaxy Max Hz which allows me to change my refresh rate to 96 instead of 120. And then I have it set to 10 Hertz with screen off plus it's got a doze mode built into the app and I do have quite a few notifications turned off but I always have sync on and location is always on. Plus I also removed a bunch of apps using ADB commands so they weren't running in the background and I am still one of those few that use greenify because now it works even better with the shizuku manager.
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    All my notifications comes in time. Apps which needs notifications are "unrestricted" on my device.
    Will give your options a try and see how I get on, after charging my phone to 100% before bed last night I woke up this morning with 2% lost, which is exactly the same as any other night, will see how I get on throughout the weekend
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    meta services drain battery during the night (10pm~6am),anyway to stop this?
    Yes, get rid of facebook and the other garbage associated with it. But if you practically live in facebook, then live with this battery drain...it's only going to get worse.
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    Could you provide prints of your used settings?
    Sure.
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    My latest battery result 100% to 15%
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    Wow that is insane! How are you getting that crazy battery life? Can you share your stats please? WQHD+ is being used? 120hz refresh rate? I feel like I saw you switched off 5G, and location. Anything else you turned off?
    Using WQHD, Adaptive Smoothness, Adaptive Brightness, Adaptive Battery, Standard Power, 5G mobile Off and using LTE instead. Other than that it's all Stock without Root. But I am Deaf so I don't use voice calling, just text and data. When I did that test today it was all 5G WiFi for data with Mobile Data off cause I was at home.
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    This post might be a little off-topic but I think we must stop obsessing over the SOTs. I see screenshots with 10 hrs+ SOT. While this is impressive, you must realize that you spent most of your waking hours looking at the phone than yourself and/or people around you! This is scary!

    Yes, SOT's are good to show off but it's not a metric of the phone's battery life or its performance. I know there will be participants here ready to pull out the flame gun by showing my own battery life post a few posts earlier! But, hear me out, the S23U is a very capable device that's intelligent enough to extract the max juice out of the battery. We can all hit record SOTs on this device by simply opening an ebook reader and reading a book or at least pretending to read it - open the app 8am, leave the phone and come back after 12 hours...believe me, your battery % (assuming you started at 100) would be around 60% with 12 hours SOT. I'm saying this based on my experience when I experimented with my old S21U. We should be more concerned with rogue battery drains than with endurance.

    Please take some time off...please don't miss out on the good things in life in the pursuit of getting the highest SOT...it's a humble request!

    P.S. Let the flaming begin!