Omate is a fraud and here is why...

[kevinb77]

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/2...:+DroidLife+(Droid+Life)&utm_content=Facebook

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[koreankabachy]

Just a company who thought they could add Google play without permission. Google will shoot down their request and people will have to sideload like we do on gg

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[ClearD]

...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.

I reiterate...

...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?

I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.

 

[kevinb77]

...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.

I reiterate...

...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?

I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.

That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.

Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!

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[ClearD]

That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.

Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!

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They're still working on it, actually, and my understanding is that no 240x240 screen sized device will be capable of supporting it under android 4.3, so they may have it out when they update to 4.3, pending Google's say-so.

 

[Lokifish Marz]

So a device that does not have certification for a version of Android that doesn't even exist yet is a fraud?

As far as it not coming on the Android 4.2.2 version, that was public knowledge back in early September.

Oh BTW
"While all efforts are made to ensure timely completion of software functions, software development too can have unforseeable delays which may result in software functions being delivered in an update after a product has shipped."

On the Omate KS page since Aug 21st 2013

Hell. At least they updated you about it vs threatening folks publicly when ever anybody brought up any real issues.

 

[kuronosan]

BAWWWWWWWWWW QQ more. This isn't new knowledge and you're an idiot for thinking a company is a fraud because they hit a hiccup they didn't count on when bringing their product to the US.

This is XDA. You're complaining in the wrong place.
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[vectron]

That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.

Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!

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Are you serious?!? Name at least one crowdfunding campaign that treated their backers with as much respect, which had as many detailed updates, which had stayed on schedule, which has worked so hard around the globe? They came up front about Play store hiccup and even offered an alternative of another on-line store until they will resolve licensing issue with Google (which btw they are working on actively).

 

[kevinb77]

I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week. But I work for a manufacturer of medical devices and if we advertise something to be in our product it has to be there or we would get our assess sued into bankruptcy. My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.

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[kuronosan]

Probably because we aren't assholes.

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[kevinb77]

Probably because we aren't assholes.

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No need for name calling man. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this situation.

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[kuronosan]

I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.

If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.

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[kevinb77]

I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.

If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.

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I certainly was not trying to belittle anyone in the XDA universe.

But the solution of sideloading the Play Store apk is unsettling to me. I own an OUYA and was an early adopter of one of the first Android tablets, the Viewsonic G-book. I have also been rooting and roming since the DROID 1. While ROMS and sideloading is great, it's just unstable and in some situations becomes a full-time job of keeping up with updates and fixes.

I love messing with my devices as much as anyone else here, but for once I'd like to just buy an Android device that I didn't feel the need to have to change in someway, and spending upwards to $300 on an Android device in 2013 with its fair amount of promises should deliver on them.

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[kuronosan]

I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.

I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until they definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.

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[Lokifish Marz]

I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week.

ORLY. AGAIN, the play store (Google Services) issue was a matter of public knowledge for over a month.

My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.

Should they have removed the mention of Play Store being included back in early Sept? In my opinion yes. The release that recently came out should have also been done back then as well. "unethical"? Maybe. Criminal? No. The disclaimer that was a the bottom of their KS since day one covers their ass. Period, end of story, thanks for playing.

I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.

I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until that definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.

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All the KS units are in the clear. The pre-orders may be another matter.

 

[vectron]

In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent. Regarding Omate, I have a pretty good feeling that even if they would have published this disclaimer while campaign was active - they still would have gotten as much supporters/backers because for a lot of the people not including Google play store is not a show stopper. With a ways around it (sideloading), and alternative store, and active updates about working with Google to resolve this officially, I still say they built a strong community trust.

Btw, with Google planning to release their own smartwatch and probably a pressure from tanking Gear, something tells me there are political reasons for Google to continue delaying their decision. Just my conspiracy theory

 

[Haffoc]

In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent.

At least Omate have admitted that Google Play support won't be there out the box, unlike AI Smartwatch, which is in the same position. They are still giving the impression it comes with Play store.

 

[NachTSS]

...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.

I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.

as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.

if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.

 

[ClearD]

I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.

as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.

if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.

I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.

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[NachTSS]

I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.

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It does not sadly. I mean its still useable but the issues it does have make it not very good to use so it really needs a rom that works properly.

the rom thats on it is custom build version: OMATE_HW2.0_20130923.115849 and the model number is listed as OMATE.

but yeah I'd be really grateful if someone does make a custom rom for it that works properly and tells me which google play store version to install and were to get the apk etc, I'm also guessing they would need to make a rooting app for it too so it could be flashed tho right?