OnePlusOne from a Nexus 10 perspective

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Hi in this Nexus 10 thread I was asked about the OnePlusOne thoughts.

So posting not a OPO review but how it affects my "relationship" with my Nexus 10.

The Nexus 10 "sucks" now relatively speaking primarily because it suffers from a relatively slow CPU and significantly from only really 1GB of memory.

So I've had to view the Nexus 10 as a "special purpose" device rather than a "general device" and use it in a deliberately complimentary way to the other device.

Until I got the OPO the other device to the Nexus 10 was really the N7 (latest), in that it has fast cpu, sufficient memory. I'd use both tablets side-by-side on a desk or pick up N7 to do something whilst using the N10.

Example problems with the N10 are too many browser tabs open it would reset, or if I'm doing anything much in the background, so I couldn't really do any work like an Office file edit at same time as browsing. So I'd be using my N10 for one-thing-at-a-time like browsing one website, or watching a video and nothing else open.

Given the N10 is the one-thing-at-a-time machine, it places a lot onto the complimentary device in terms of it needing to be a pretty good device by itself.

Hence to the OPO, with a 5.5" screen, fast CPU and lashings of memory 3GB, it is such a complementary device, I can easily have many apps running, all the background apps that each gobble some memory, like Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, XDA app, etc. Whilst the Nexus 10 pretty much only has MX Player, Dolphin (for Flash sites) not even Chrome but I installed CM11-M9 and just use its "browser".
Since the high-spec complementary-to-N10 I moved N10 from stock to CM11-M9 and the random reboots stopped and performance is about the same so only major benefit is more stable.

So in this hybrid OPO+N10 I got the big-screen experience for when I want it, plus stability and performance, across two devices.

I got this complimentary hybrid with N7+N10 also and to a lesser degree N5+N10 but the more you push onto the non-N10 device the more it needs to be bigger screen, so I'd say OPO+N10 are good complements to each other.

FYI I paid $278 for a refurbished N10 in November, and I paid $360 delivered for a new OPO a month ago. My N7 was $160 refurbished and my N5 new $385. Overall, the N7 is the most value, followed by OPO, then N5, then N10. The N10 is only used for a narrow, but long-running tasks like watching a video, I'm usually on MX Player on it.

I have given my N5 and N7 to my wife, they complement each other well in that the smaller the phone screen the more it beckons for a tablet and N7 is a good tablet.

When away from home, the N10 I find is simply not worth removing from the house, it is simply too big and not really that useful, battery life sucks, it is slow to recharge even with the Pogoplug, despite its big screen it is too temperamental. Before OPO I'd leave house with N5+N7. Now I leave just with the OPO, as its got everything in one device, memory, storage (64GB) and speed to handle all the apps concurrently, so in that regard the OPO as a "one plus one" i.e. human plus one device, is correct.

So OPO is flawed, but its cheap and powerful and whatever bugs exist, I've not noticed them, in contrast to the N10 the OPO is much more stable and bug-free.

Any negativ reviews of the OPO, if you look at polls from owners, they show up about 8% have a problem which is major, put that in proportion the relatively happy 90% owners, such as myself.

I bought 3 OPO, one for my son, then my neighbor, then myself, then I helped out the local phone shop staff who helped me on a discounted family plan and an OPO forum member who impressed me with a balanced perspective.

OPO not perfect, its a cheap-support-sucks-from-China phone.

Nexus 10 though is even worse. I can't imagine how sick I'd feel if I'd paid RRP $499+tax+shipping $550 from Google Play for it. It is not even good value at $278 refurbished relative to other devices (vs say $160 N7 refurbished). I won't sell it though as its good to have a silent "laptop" type screen in bed, not far ever from Pogo cable.
 
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Nexus 10 was released in November 2012 - that is 18 months ago - by Moore's law it is obvious that any device on the market will seem relatively slow 18 months after release.

To be fair Nexus 10 16GB model only cost 349$ at release and was a the time the highest resolution screen you could find on a tablet(still is tied highest) - and higher display resolution than almost all laptops on the market, even 1000+$ ones. It seems like a reasonable price - of course they should have cut the price a year after release or so.

I find that the Nexus 10 is still somewhat useful as a laptop replacement - it is much lighter than a laptop you can use an external keyboard for editing code or documents(or just reading books,without external keyboard) on a screen which has sharper and nicer looking text than any laptop in this price class. The battery on my device lasts around 7 hours with constant use - which is more than the average laptop which only lasts 3 hours roughly. (More expensive devices such as ultrabooks last longer, ofc). That being said there are tasks which the Nexus 10 just isn't suited for and agree it must complemented with another device.
 
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Nexus 10 was released in November 2012 - that is 18 months ago - by Moore's law it is obvious that any device on the market will seem relatively slow 18 months after release.

To be fair Nexus 10 16GB model only cost 349$ at release and was a the time the highest resolution screen you could find on a tablet(still is tied highest) - and higher display resolution than almost all laptops on the market, even 1000+$ ones. It seems like a reasonable price - of course they should have cut the price a year after release or so.

I find that the Nexus 10 is still somewhat useful as a laptop replacement - it is much lighter than a laptop you can use an external keyboard for editing code or documents(or just reading books,without external keyboard) on a screen which has sharper and nicer looking text than any laptop in this price class. The battery on my device lasts around 7 hours with constant use - which is more than the average laptop which only lasts 3 hours roughly. (More expensive devices such as ultrabooks last longer, ofc). That being said there are tasks which the Nexus 10 just isn't suited for and agree it must complemented with another device.
I tried one trip Nexus 10+ other but N10 just not reliable enough. N7 is more reliable. I think its really down to the 1GB memory, its just too little. They should have actually had 2GB not claiming 2GB of which 1GB goes to video.

So that's my problem with N10 as laptop, the reliability problem.

Plus of course if you spent $500 on Wintel, you get globs of specifications like hdd capacities, it somewhat defeats the point of a tablet when it costs the same as a laptop but inferior. My Netbook was getting 7-8 hours, comparable to N10.
 

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I have to disagree with this review too. Purely on the basis that I don't use my phone at home, not even for phonecalls or texts because it all works off the N10. It's still a very useful and usable device that has kept up in pace with the latest devices coming up. Yes it shows it's slowness a bit when I compare it to a galaxy tab pro but that's the difference two years makes. By no means does it "suck", or even relatively "suck". If you really want to see what actually sucks, try using the original galaxy tab and then see. The N10 plays the content, games, music I want to my smart TV and on the device itself without straining itself.

I don't see the N10 as a laptop replacement either because I use my laptop for playing games, photo editing, CAD modelling because the N10 won't do it to the level of detail I want it to.
 

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I have to disagree with this review too. Purely on the basis that I don't use my phone at home, not even for phonecalls or texts because it all works off the N10. It's still a very useful and usable device that has kept up in pace with the latest devices coming up. Yes it shows it's slowness a bit when I compare it to a galaxy tab pro but that's the difference two years makes. By no means does it "suck", or even relatively "suck". If you really want to see what actually sucks, try using the original galaxy tab and then see. The N10 plays the content, games, music I want to my smart TV and on the device itself without straining itself.

I don't see the N10 as a laptop replacement either because I use my laptop for playing games, photo editing, CAD modelling because the N10 won't do it to the level of detail I want it to.

Crashing and rebooting counts as "sucks", and is a factual non-debatable point.

Performance, is debatable and is context specific. I guess you don't have the random reboot issues, which in my case CM11-M9 fixed, but I've still got the performance issue.

The 1GB is I think the problem, not so much the 1GB as memory has to be flushed for apps active to release up prior to loading new, whilst 2GB memory would have less, i.e. the phone is "swapping" (yes I know its not actually paging but you know what I mean).
 

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Crashing and rebooting counts as "sucks", and is a factual non-debatable point.

Performance, is debatable and is context specific. I guess you don't have the random reboot issues, which in my case CM11-M9 fixed, but I've still got the performance issue.

The 1GB is I think the problem, not so much the 1GB as memory has to be flushed for apps active to release up prior to loading new, whilst 2GB memory would have less, i.e. the phone is "swapping" (yes I know its not actually paging but you know what I mean).
I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.

Also why do you keep quoting 1GB as a problem when the N10 has 2GB memory?
 

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I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.

Also why do you keep quoting 1GB as a problem when the N10 has 2GB memory?
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Look in settings you will see it is a 1GB memory. This from mine. Also for comparison from my OPO. 1409027083499.jpg

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I think that's ROM specific. I'm using slimkat and I have zero issues, tried liquid smooth before that and still no issues at all.
There is something in stock Android which makes my N10 unreliable.

I have only tried CM11 not tried any other. I also just installed only the apps I uniquely need for my N10. It is for sure more reliable but I don't know exactly the cause or what is different to fix. Could be luck.

Why I picked CM is the OPO came with it and so why not CM for the N10 was the only depth of thinking.

My N7 N4 N5 all rock solid stable no matter what on stock Android.

I might have a dud N10 its camera doesn't work.

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OPO is one of the most over rated phones. To come here to a N10 thread and bash it because it's slow compared to a phone is really a waste of everyone's time.

The N10 is far from slow. I use it every day and have had zero issues with it. And it was purchased on launch day.

The OPO is the black plaque of devices. It's been riddled with a marketing nightmare, bug issues, and now hardware promises that is another failed launch. Their marketing campaign was one of the worst things I've ever seen coming from a flagship device.

It's just my opinion, but then again writing this was about as useful as reading the thread.

One last thing. Read the specs on the n10 posted here http://www.google.com/nexus/10/specs/

You will find it has 2gb ram. And with these issues you have on the n10, let me guess, you are using a custom rom? I run stock rooted and have zero issues. Still is faster than most devices. The N10 set the bar on how to build a lasting device. Yeah, I drank their cool aide. Only because it is the best Damn 10" tablet to be marketed.

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nigelhealy: Your device shows 1.1GB ram in settings because 900MB ram is hard-dedicated to the GPU on the N10. Snapdragon phones don't have to hard-dedicate ram to the GPU in this manner, but it's of course important to note that the GPU does obviously take up whatever ram it needs regardless.

So the only practical effect of hard-dedicating the ram in this manner is that a few hundred meg can sometimes be sat idle on the GPU side if the you app you're using isn't particularly GPU heavy.

Otherwise, I must agree with the others. My N10 is still a great tablet, nearly 2 years after initial release.
 

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I have both the OnePlus one and the Nexus 10. While the one is faster the Nexus 10 keeps up very well and has the advantage of screen size. I like both of them for different tasks. Both are stock and rooted.
 
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OPO is one of the most over rated phones. To come here to a N10 thread and bash it because it's slow compared to a phone is really a waste of everyone's time.

The N10 is far from slow. I use it every day and have had zero issues with it. And it was purchased on launch day.

The OPO is the black plaque of devices. It's been riddled with a marketing nightmare, bug issues, and now hardware promises that is another failed launch. Their marketing campaign was one of the worst things I've ever seen coming from a flagship device.

It's just my opinion, but then again writing this was about as useful as reading the thread.

One last thing. Read the specs on the n10 posted here http://www.google.com/nexus/10/specs/

You will find it has 2gb ram. And with these issues you have on the n10, let me guess, you are using a custom rom? I run stock rooted and have zero issues. Still is faster than most devices. The N10 set the bar on how to build a lasting device. Yeah, I drank their cool aide. Only because it is the best Damn 10" tablet to be marketed.

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The N10 has 1GB memory. Scroll up and see the screenshot.

The OPO has simply more of everything greater apart from physical screen size .
http://our.antutu.net/api/?action=v5&act=benchmark&id=3147201
http://our.antutu.net/api/?action=v5&act=benchmark&id=3146867

So the N10 current niche is for screen size non performance purposes.

I've tried stock all the versions, CM11 and currently on Thunderkat with f2fs /cache /data

FYI the price drops we saw a year ago of $278 - $330 for 32gb N10 are now showing for GPad 8.3 $199 with 64Gb SD card $30 gives a performance boost if wanting a bigger fast tablet.
 

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Ok. The N10 has 2gb ram. Plain and simple. But let's do this. Let's compare my note 2 to the Sony Erickson shall we? The point is you are comparing a new phone to an almost 2 year old tablet. They are meant to do very different things.

You should compare apples to oranges. Like I said, the one+one is one of the most over rated devices where as the N10 still set the standards for a tablet. And yet to have been beat.

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Ok. The N10 has 2gb ram. Plain and simple.
1GB available to OS a 1GB is given to graphics.

By all means stop typing and begin looking, pick any method. Here's one in terminal with free command.

Code:
[email protected]:/mnt/shell/emulated/0 # free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1121716       973484       148232            0          224
-/+ buffers:             973260       148456
Swap:            0            0            0
[email protected]:/mnt/shell/emulated/0 #
So that's 1121716 bytes ~ 1GB.

Scroll back a page and I show an Android screen shot comparing with a OPO's 3GB like-for-like measurement, below is the same free command method.

Code:
[email protected]:/storage/emulated/legacy # free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       2954792      2603164       351628            0        74608
-/+ buffers:            2528556       426236
Swap:            0            0            0
So is that "plain and simple" enough for you, i.e. showing you than you simply pasting from a wiki which lists the physical memory of which half is gone to graphics.....
 

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Better yet. Since you like comparing devices that are completely different. Let's compare my msi gaming laptop to the one plus one. Lol

Why do you care so much about comparing a new device to an older tablet? Enough where you felt the need to start a thread pretty much bashing the N10 in a N10 forum? Kind of silly. So much so there really is no need in responding to me because I am done with this thread.

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Better yet. Since you like comparing devices that are completely different. Let's compare my msi gaming laptop to the one plus one. Lol

Why do you care so much about comparing a new device to an older tablet? Enough where you felt the need to start a thread pretty much bashing the N10 in a N10 forum? Kind of silly. So much so there really is no need in responding to me because I am done with this thread.

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