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wtf.now?

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That's the spirit!

Don't wanna buy this versatile watch and the be limited to a hand full of watchfaces.

+1 This!
I change my screen type every day. I dont let it settle in one screen. All of my screen are black backgrounds.

In order:
Aviator
Aviator "Altitude"
Puji Black.
and stock.

While active on dim setting 2.
Allways on, Let it do its job :D
 

Darnell_Chat_TN

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Check out this Android Wear WatchFaces app. You can make any type you want quick and easy. It's the most flexible and easy one I've found yet. It does not include weather, but has anything else you'd want. I was using Pujie Black, but I feel it uses much more battery power.

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I asked the dev for the watchface I just mentioned, to add weather. And they replied in less than 24 hours, that they are working on it. And they've even added mention of it to their release notes on Google Play.

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dsf767

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Man I really want to use the Aviator Watch Face but this thread has worried me enough that I am going to be sticking with the stock faces just because I don't want to deal with burn-in.
 

t.sjostrom

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How do you decrease the brightness on the dimmed screen below 1? I can only find the setting i wear mini launcher to dim the active screen. Now the dimmed screen is much brighter than the active...

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NicksGarage

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How do you decrease the brightness on the dimmed screen below 1? I can only find the setting i wear mini launcher to dim the active screen. Now the dimmed screen is much brighter than the active...

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I only find one brightness control but it lets you dim the screen below the level offered in the stock settings. Give it a try. Lower it all the way down and then go to the stock settings and select "1". You'll see how much dimmer it was.

To adjust just the dim mode face only you'll need to use one of the face making apps and duplicate the parts and make a separate dim mode.

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NicksGarage

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you have to distinguish between burn-in and ghosting:
burn-in is permanent and can't be fixed (the stuck pixel fixer app actually wears down the non-burned-in pixels as well - which in the end still looks better as the screen once more gets more uniforme)
ghosting on the other hand isn't permanent, but the pixels having been in use to display a certain image for an extended periode need to recover
some ghosting is normal and you will always get that, but it can also be the first signs of burn-in
I did another test. I didn't run the pixel fixer but left the always on mode off for three days. I switched to the white face and don't see the ghosting so it obviously faded on its own. I've switched to only using always on mode only when I really need it. I'm hoping that LG updates the watch to make the screen easier to turn on when moving your wrist. It would be nice if there was a sensitivity setting for it. I would also like to increase the delay before it goes dim.

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dersie

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Almost all the watchfaces from Smartwatch Bureau F01,F03, V01, V02... A45, A42.... have a setting for brightness in dim mode. So we can have a dim mode very dark and we can choose the face color for dim between 7 colors : green, blue, cyan, red..... so with this faces we can avoid easily all burn issue.
 

NicksGarage

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Some custom watch faces have an option for setting the screen dim delay time. I know the F03 watch face does.

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Nice. I bought that one to try it out. Although the face is not what I'm looking for it's nice to see what is possible. I wonder if we'll get some of these capabilites in the the lollipop version of wear.

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Koopa777

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To those of you with 5.0.1, have you seen the new "Red" stock face? There is significantly more white, and all the numbers and dials are present on the dimmed face. Can anybody confirm that this is an increased risk for burn in? I'll post a picture later if no one has seen it yet.
 

wicked1683

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@OP, maybe thats a problem with the face app you installed.

The dev did not take to consideration the burn in issue. You said the app just dimmed but the whole face ui is still in the background. High possibility that the same pixels stay on always.

Take note that the stock face UI of LG in always on mode will have a pixel switching on and off but it is hardly noticeable by the user. (I watch it in 1 of a review in youtube)

Maybe thats why google said to wait for the offical watch face ui from them. Maybe they will have a code to make sure the same pixels aren't turn on always in always on mode

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NicksGarage

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To those of you with 5.0.1, have you seen the new "Red" stock face? There is significantly more white, and all the numbers and dials are present on the dimmed face. Can anybody confirm that this is an increased risk for burn in? I'll post a picture later if no one has seen it yet.
I just got the update. With the brightness set to 1, the dim mode on that face looks brighter than the non-dimmed mode.

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chrisnewton

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Can't wait to get mine for Xmas.. Just really freaked by this thread lol.. However I'm hopping as I intend to have my watch set to only come on when I tilt my wrist etc I'm hoping this will mean I will not suffer from screen burn.. Also should i change my watch face every few days?
 

Kama45

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I have no idea what are the advantages&limitations of "Facer". In "WatchMaker" I'm adding a black picture on top of everything, set the proper transparency to achieve the desired brightness ... then I set that object to be visible only in "dim mode"
If you don't mind me asking, what opacity do you use for dim mode?
 

ro_explorer

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It highly depends on what objects I have to make less visible. The idea is to get a visible time in the dim mode and everything else to be barely visible. I'm not measuring the light output :) ...
The time, if is displayed in the analog style (with dials) will not cause burn-in because the bright part of the image is moving around so one can use brighter clock hands for this.

This is the difference between active and dim mode, in my case, in most of the faces I'm using (active mode is set to brightness 2):
 

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Planins

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Hey guys I went out and bought this watch yesterday. Having seen it in person, I thought the display is stunning so I just went ahead and bought it. The watch face I absolutely loved from first sight is the default Club one. I used it the whole day yesterday and this morning as well, but upon opening Google Now a few minutes ago I saw that I have ghosting or burn-in, whatever the correct term is. I have used the watch for about 15 hours total in always-on mode. The dim mode are just those huge numbers in white, which I believe is causing the issue. I was planning to use the watch with that face for a long time and didn't really expect burn-in to be an issue. What would you advise me to do now, I want to be able to see the time at all times... Which of the stock faces is the best one to avoid burn-in and is yet similar to the Club one?
 

dersie

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I think you must darker you screen when you are in dim mode. So with watchface with setup for brightness dim mode or try a new app "SWApp True Dark Wear"
 

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    You need to be aware how to handle OLED displays. I learned my lesson in the hard way (with some previous phones) so, I now handle them with care and I have no problems anymore (both my Razr I - 2 years old, and my Watch R - 2 weeks old, are in perfect shape). I intend to buy an OLED TV soon as well :).


    So, long story short .... if you want long life out of your OLED screen you need to:
    A: NEVER use it at max (or high) brightntness more than few seconds with a static image.
    B: ALWAYS use more green/red themes because red and green are the most resilient OLED compounds (with the current manufacture technologies).
    C: Use very very VERY LOW brightness for the "screen saver" - in our case, always on/dim mode.
    D: WHITE has a lot of blue in it ... so, a long time of white theme usage will create burn-in in all colours, especially in the blue colour - the less resistant compound (3 times faster deprecation compared to red, 4-5 times compared to green) so avoid high contrast elements in high brightness mode.
    E: Default DIM mode of the Watch G is waaaaay to bright for the purpose of the "dim" mode. A black, transparent layer is needed on top of the dim mode in order to prevent this (with the current firmware at least)

    Conclusion: Choose wisely a pre-made face or build your own with the appropriate dim mode brightness.

    Attached is my watch face (made for Watch Maker) and the basic colours tests (all photos captured few minutes ago). I tried to capture the appearance of the watch as seen with the naked eye (depending on your monitor calibration, your view might vary).
    With this type of face I did not got any burn-ins and I'm using it with always on mode activated (I like the feeling of a real watch so I'll be able to take a glimpse at the watch and tell the time, without shacking it, bring it horizontally or pushing buttons). The brightness for "normal" use is set between 1 and 2 (approximate). I'm using Wear Mini Launcher which has an advanced brightness mode under settings.

    For testing I used Stuck Pixel Fixer
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    *!!! Save your pixels ! SWApp True Dark Wear now FREE !!!*

    I think you must darker you screen when you are in dim mode. So with watchface with setup for brightness dim mode or try a new app "SWApp True Dark Wear"

    *!!! SWApp True Dark Wear now FREE !!!*
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    As a XMas present, SWApp True Dark is now available for Free (and will stay free) on the play store !

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    In case you haven't read any post regarding SWApp True Dark before, here is what it's bringing you:
    *SWApp True Dark lets you darken your watch screen as much as you want it !*
    *Darker means less Burn-In !!! *

    see this post for more details:

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    It has a P-OLED (polymer) display.
    A correction to the corection :) ... P-OLED from GWR it's coming from Plastic-OLED which defines the flexible substrate on which the OLED it's built.
    The OLED material from G is latest tech, state of the art .. nevertheless, It's an OLED, which means faster degradation of the blue compound.
    The burn-in you see after usage at high brightness settings is nothing else than lower blue light emission in those areas (that why is visible especially on the grey images, where a constant blue light has a very important role).

    I'm trying to use faces with mainly red, green or orange colours (orange being a mixture of red and green) or, in case of the full spectrum, to use colours that use less blue.

    For the guys customising their watch faces (using one of the many available apps), when you define a bright text or colour, look at the hex code of the colour : XXYYZZTT where XX is hexa code for transparency, YY is red level, ZZ is green level and TT is blue level. ... so try keeping the last two hex numbers in the low area, meaning below 100 (00 means 0, FF means 256, as colour intensity).
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    You need to be aware how to handle OLED displays.
    While your post seems very useful, this is a very disturbing comment. Reminiscent of a certain fruit company telling its customers they were holding their phone incorrectly. If there's issues with the device, LG should not have released it. If you're not supposed to turn the brightness up all the way, the underlying settings should be different. More broadly, the device shouldn't let the user do something through normal means that harms the device.

    This thread has been very helpful in determining if/which Android watch to get.
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    This is excellent example of why you should not use light colored watch faces. Burns battery and looks terrible. Remember on OLED, black means "off". A mostly black watchface burns almost no juice.

    That softball face looks ridiculous anyway. Stick with Aviator.

    Last point. Always on is just dumb. Why do you want your watch face on when you aren't looking at it, to impress chicks?
    Your comment isn't even a solution or helpful at all. He's looking for someone to confirm the burn in issue. Honestly I have a hard time seeing it on the picture he submitted, but as someone who's interested in buying the watch I would like to know if this is a problem as well.

    What happens if he takes your advice, sticks with a particular watch face for a long time, then decides he wants to change it to something else? If there is burn in, then it's going to be noticeable, no matter what watch face he uses. Your suggestion could be harmful.

    Always on is not dumb. I have a Pebble and love the fact that I don't need to do anything crazy to see the time. I just look at it. No gestures, or interaction required. I would want / expect the same from any watch I plan on replacing it with. Otherwise there is a huge lack of convenience there. It's not to "impress chicks". And if you knew anything about "chicks" you'd know that stuff like this doesn't impress them and 95% of them could probably care less about some gadget.