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wizard6601

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I am really enjoying this camera. I've never had a dual lens camera so this has been fun to mess around with for photos.

The 1080p video doesn't seem all that sharp to me when played on something other than the phone but the 4K looks so nice both off the phone and on it.

The monochrome sensor works great as both a solo and mix and although the slow-mo quality is pretty low (but still cool) the light painting/long exposure works well consistantly with just a tiny amount of pixelation.

https://lensdump.com/a/8Wq9a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYH-4kGHhT8


I've never used this image host before - it doesn't compress images but seems you need to click a couple of times to get the full picture.


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maybe you turn on stabilizer. stabilizer make videos blurry

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do you guys use 20 or 12 mp? any cons on 20?
i have tested many photos. quality in 12 Mp is a bit better (in color and sharpness) and i think 20 MP has no cons (except more pixels)
 
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ThoroSOE

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Overprocessing - workaround

I found a workaround for anyone who dislikes the crushed details left behind by the harsh processing. In the comparison images I attached, you see crops of 4 scenes in a dimly lit room. Pictures were taken in auto mode within seconds with hands kept as still as possible. Crops are center image, focus set by tapping the same spot.

Left picture: 12 MP resolution, 1.1x zoom
Right picture: 20 MP no zoom. Software could post-sharpen the image, if the UI prompted me to keep the camera still.

The crops are the same size, because I zoomed in accordingly in the photo app for the side by side comparison.

It looks like even the slightest zoom changes the processing dramatically. Yes, the noise increases a bit. But there is much more real detail in the pictures. It is least obvious with the books. But despite being lower resolution, text is generally more legible and lines are more defined (f. e. on the brown older book).
I think the carpet in image 4 shows pretty nicely, how details get smeared by the default algorithm with no real benefit.

I wish THAT would be the default processing mode ...
 
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ThoroSOE

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is there any way or camera apps that we can use the lessen the oversharpening traits of mate 10 pro?
Did you even bother to read (part of) this thread? Just 2 posts above yours I posted one way to lessen the processing in low light. I even posted comparison pictures to show it works.
 

Tumpster

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Is the camera same, better, or worse than the HTC U11/U11+? I'm considering moving to this phone but I'm rocking a U11+, just not happy with the 0 development on it and lack of band 2. I'd appreciate anyone's feedback, thanks!
 

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Did you even bother to read (part of) this thread? Just 2 posts above yours I posted one way to lessen the processing in low light. I even posted comparison pictures to show it works.
Yes ive read it. what i meant was something more direct. what u said did help,. so let me rephrase my q. "is there any OTHER way BESIDES ThroSOE tricks or camera apps that we can use to lessen the oversharpening traits of mate 10 pro?

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there are a number of apps that use different processing, open camera and footej camera for example
Thanks.will try

But none can stand up against the native camera app - at least not the ones I tested ;)
you are correct. the ease of using native cam apps is one thing, but if given the option to scale down the over the top sharpening post processing would be great
 

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I found a workaround for anyone who dislikes the crushed details left behind by the harsh processing. In the comparison images I attached, you see crops of 4 scenes in a dimly lit room. Pictures were taken in auto mode within seconds with hands kept as still as possible. Crops are center image, focus set by tapping the same spot.

Left picture: 12 MP resolution, 1.1x zoom
Right picture: 20 MP no zoom. Software could post-sharpen the image, if the UI prompted me to keep the camera still.

The crops are the same size, because I zoomed in accordingly in the photo app for the side by side comparison.

It looks like even the slightest zoom changes the processing dramatically. Yes, the noise increases a bit. But there is much more real detail in the pictures. It is least obvious with the books. But despite being lower resolution, text is generally more legible and lines are more defined (f. e. on the brown older book).
I think the carpet in image 4 shows pretty nicely, how details get smeared by the default algorithm with no real benefit.

I wish THAT would be the default processing mode ...
I can confirm this. Easily noticeable with these two shots: (Both 12mp)
 

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botkiller00

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I really wanna buy this 10pro but i have some concerns about low light performance and 'ai' speed. I have lg g4 and i like this phone camera, that's why i choose 10pro to buy but does it worth to upgrade? And second question : does ai slows the camera? Should i wait for it to detect the scene or can i take a photo even if it doesn't detect?
Ty in advance and good day
 

Thasscas44

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The mate 10 pro is my first dual lens phone, and my first with AI, and to be honest I get more bad photos with this than I have my last two phones.

I was expecting this camera to be the absolute best, but it isn't.

Sometimes the shots are very good, but fairly regularly outdoor shots get massively underexposed, sometimes making faces undistinguishable. It seems to be worse on sunny / bright days, even when making effort to press the face on screen first to readjust the brightness and being sure to be in the opposite direction to the sun. The faces still come out as dark blobs.

When the software gets it right it's good. But there's still a way to go and the camera isn't as awesome as all the reviews would suggest in my experience.
 

ThoroSOE

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I really wanna buy this 10pro but i have some concerns about low light performance and 'ai' speed. I have lg g4 and i like this phone camera, that's why i choose 10pro to buy but does it worth to upgrade? And second question : does ai slows the camera? Should i wait for it to detect the scene or can i take a photo even if it doesn't detect?
Ty in advance and good day
I came from a G4 and LOVED the camera on it (Note: I ran stock Android 7 with the updated stock camera app on it). Before I gave away my G4, I extensively tested both cameras side by side. Verdict:

The G4 captures more detail in most scenarios, sometimes by a wide margin. The aggressive post processing on the Mate is a real problem in many scenes. Faces usually look more natural on the G4. Also the Mate lacks higher resolution 16:9 shots (12 and 20 MP are 4:3 only), which might bother you. Video on the G4 is leagues better than on the Mate 10 (stabilized 4k videos, very smooth zoom).

On the other hand the Mate is way more reliable in getting the focus right (and being much faster at that). Shutter lag is much lower, but stabilization suffers (in low light I find myself using the 2 second timer to get a steady shot). The Mate also is much better at handling scenes with challenging lighting (high contrast, etc) - even with the Mate in standard mode and the G4 with HDR always on. And zooming up to 2x works surprisingly well.
One thing to note is the monochrome mode though. This is something really special and way different from filters or b/w in post. Even in lower light scenes, images are INCREDIBLY detailed with amazingly low noise and a really unique feel to them. F.e. a simple shot down the subway feels like an image from a high level magazine. But this is not for everyone.

Using the zoom workaround on the Mate (zooming to 1.1x) is a good workaround to get WAY more details and more natural pictures in normal mode. But even then it usually just manages to get on par with the G4, if that.

All in all I expected more of the Mate 10's camera. Were it just for the camera, I wouldn't have made the switch. But I needed a dual SIM phone (with both SIMs LTE capable) and wanted a fingerprint reader. Also although I had my G4 on stock Android 7, it felt a bit sluggish. And naturally the battery life on the Mate 10 is astounding. So, apart from the camera, the Mate 10 Pro is a BIG upgrade from the G4. The camera can best the G4 in some areas, but mostly it is on par or clearly weaker. If you are not interested in nice zoom capability and amazing b/w images, don't switch just for the camera!

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The mate 10 pro is my first dual lens phone, and my first with AI, and to be honest I get more bad photos with this than I have my last two phones.

I was expecting this camera to be the absolute best, but it isn't.

Sometimes the shots are very good, but fairly regularly outdoor shots get massively underexposed, sometimes making faces undistinguishable. It seems to be worse on sunny / bright days, even when making effort to press the face on screen first to readjust the brightness and being sure to be in the opposite direction to the sun. The faces still come out as dark blobs.

When the software gets it right it's good. But there's still a way to go and the camera isn't as awesome as all the reviews would suggest in my experience.
Do you use the feature that lets you adjust the light-metering after focusing? I mean where you tap and hold the thing to focus on and then drag the finger to an other point of the scene to pick the brightness and color metering (you have to leave the finger on the screen for this)? This saved many pictures for me.
 

botkiller00

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I came from a G4 and LOVED the camera on it (Note: I ran stock Android 7 with the updated stock camera app on it). Before I gave away my G4, I extensively tested both cameras side by side. Verdict:

The G4 captures more detail in most scenarios, sometimes by a wide margin. The aggressive post processing on the Mate is a real problem in many scenes. Faces usually look more natural on the G4. Also the Mate lacks higher resolution 16:9 shots (12 and 20 MP are 4:3 only), which might bother you. Video on the G4 is leagues better than on the Mate 10 (stabilized 4k videos, very smooth zoom).

On the other hand the Mate is way more reliable in getting the focus right (and being much faster at that). Shutter lag is much lower, but stabilization suffers (in low light I find myself using the 2 second timer to get a steady shot). The Mate also is much better at handling scenes with challenging lighting (high contrast, etc) - even with the Mate in standard mode and the G4 with HDR always on. And zooming up to 2x works surprisingly well.
One thing to note is the monochrome mode though. This is something really special and way different from filters or b/w in post. Even in lower light scenes, images are INCREDIBLY detailed with amazingly low noise and a really unique feel to them. F.e. a simple shot down the subway feels like an image from a high level magazine. But this is not for everyone.

Using the zoom workaround on the Mate (zooming to 1.1x) is a good workaround to get WAY more details and more natural pictures in normal mode. But even then it usually just manages to get on par with the G4, if that.

All in all I expected more of the Mate 10's camera. Were it just for the camera, I wouldn't have made the switch. But I needed a dual SIM phone (with both SIMs LTE capable) and wanted a fingerprint reader. Also although I had my G4 on stock Android 7, it felt a bit sluggish. And naturally the battery life on the Mate 10 is astounding. So, apart from the camera, the Mate 10 Pro is a BIG upgrade from the G4. The camera can best the G4 in some areas, but mostly it is on par or clearly weaker. If you are not interested in nice zoom capability and amazing b/w images, don't switch just for the camera!

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Do you use the feature that lets you adjust the light-metering after focusing? I mean where you tap and hold the thing to focus on and then drag the finger to an other point of the scene to pick the brightness and color metering (you have to leave the finger on the screen for this)? This saved many pictures for me.
Ty sir for your comments that helps a lot :laugh: i am using lg with MM and my battery life is 3 hr sot... And i love taking photos after lg and i wanna take more with a device that camera is better. I hope i will worth
 
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