Agreed, I sent mine back, faces look quite bad/fake. My hope was that it could be fixed with an update, has anyone noticed any improvement?
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Hi everybody. I had a Mate 10 Pro for two weeks now and I am concerned about the pics quality in jpg. I found that my Nexus 5x produced better results with higher level of details. Do you think that is due to the bigger sensor size of Nexus and Pixel dimensions? (1/2.3 + 1,55um on Nexus 5x) - Camera is an important factor for me and I cannot believe what I saw after all the good reviews on-line praising Mate 10 Pro camera. Do you think that the camera will be improved somehow? I am really disappointed by such poor quality in images. As a second choice I could jump on a Samsung S8/9, OP6 or even a P20. Do you think I will have better results with the cameras in these phone? I know P20 is mounting a 1/2.3 sensor, while I do not really know about OP6 pictures quality. Samsung seems pretty good. Thanks for the advices.
Am i the only one who doesn't like photo quality on m10 pro? All photos i take has some sort of painting effect and i am starting to regret buying this phone. I hope huawei will fix this problem
At least they can reduce it when light conditions is good but in every scenario there are always so much noise reductionYou're not alone. I hate this painting effect
Low quality photos??
See my mate 10 pro album here.Almost the 99% of them are on auto
https://flic.kr/s/aHskz33JWU
some examples
IMG_20180612_193618 by John, on Flickr
IMG_20180526_214449 by John, on Flickr
IMG_20180512_171709 by John, on Flickr
IMG_20180413_181726 by John, on Flickr
IMG_20180408_162100 by John, on Flickr
See my mate 10 pro album here.Almost the 99% of them are on auto
https://flic.kr/s/aHskz33JWU
some examples
IMG_20180612_193618 by John, on FlickrIMG_20180526_214449 by John, on FlickrIMG_20180512_171709 by John, on FlickrIMG_20180413_181726 by John, on FlickrIMG_20180408_162100 by John, on FlickrThis is one photo i took today. It was taken around 5-6 pm and sun barely went down. I can't understand how this phone took this shot. My old g4 is much more capable than this i think. Did I do something wrong or it caused by other things not me?
I think i know how to shot photos but since i have bought it i started not to take :crying:
Thank you in advance btw
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sa6zRfoN9KzKDYNU6
2.photo
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HSv2inMtfHD6yoj49
This has some good details on wall, but not on this princess unfortunately. This may be some chinese game but i do not like this. Every time when ''ai'' recognize person this will be a problem for me, and as far as i know ai cannot be closed on mate10 series.
Last trick from me, some friends says 1x1 zoom is increase details, moreover for night shots using flash is also increase detaile for portrait photos. This is my observation
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The first photo is bad. Never use portrait mode when the light it's not very good.This is one photo i took today. It was taken around 5-6 pm and sun barely went down. I can't understand how this phone took this shot. My old g4 is much more capable than this i think. Did I do something wrong or it caused by other things not me?
I think i know how to shot photos but since i have bought it i started not to take :crying:
Thank you in advance btw
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sa6zRfoN9KzKDYNU6
2.photo
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HSv2inMtfHD6yoj49
This has some good details on wall, but not on this princess unfortunately. This may be some chinese game but i do not like this. Every time when''ai'' recognize person this will be a problem for me, and as far as i know ai cannot be closed on mate10 series.
Last trick from me, some friends says 1x1 zoom is increase details, moreover for night shots using flash is also increase detaile for portrait photos. This is my observation
Use normal photo or the other mode to select the bokeh u want.
The second is better. Try Manual or hdr with bad lighting will help.
Mate the 10 pro be with you
My photos come out excellent i dont understand how you got these pictures looks like u zoomed in 5x lol
I never use portrait or bokeh effect, i find it takes away a lot of details. I think the quality is great especially at night time.
Pro tip: to avoid lens distortion, use 1.4 zoom for portrait shots. google camera does that by default and it makes your face look more natural. it seems closer to the camera but is actually an arm length away.
For panorama shots i tend to use the boosted colour mode as colors fade away in the distance... everything else ist auto
The Portrait shot of myself was done with the Google camera port v4 (v4 is th only one working for me) by miniuser123, the port is not 100% accurate with colors it tends to have a blueish tint but i like the quality.
all in all this port is made for exynos samsung and it is very buggy (front cam not working a lot of crashes) but portrait on back camera works really well, just dont try anything else, it doesnt work.
Generally you can get a pic with similar detail and more accurate colors by putting your backcam on 1.4 or 1.5 zoom and then take a picture of yourself with good soft lighting (have a window without direct sunlight to your site) this way you get the detail/texture of the skin and enough light to have the details of the hait and eyebrows. Have you arms streched, keep the phone steady with both hands and take the shot carefully with a prepositioned finger. again, never use portrait effect. bokeh will be ok here.
The panorama and my motorcycle are shot with the 2x zoom feature enabled. I did that to have the town closer but for the motorcycle shot i actually wanted to have the background closer. Zooming brings the objects closer together, with normal shot the hills in the back look too small and far away to be noticed
the building is shot late at night (european spring at 10pm/22:00), it was a lot darker than the photo suggests so i am very happy with the result. i actually see a lot more than i did with my eyes. I also tried a night shot but didnt have tripod or something to lean my phone against
I never use portrait or bokeh effect, i find it takes away a lot of details. I think the quality is great especially at night time.
Pro tip: to avoid lens distortion, use 1.4 zoom for portrait shots. google camera does that by default and it makes your face look more natural. it seems closer to the camera but is actually an arm length away.
For panorama shots i tend to use the boosted colour mode as colors fade away in the distance... everything else ist auto
The Portrait shot of myself was done with the Google camera port v4 (v4 is th only one working for me) by miniuser123, the port is not 100% accurate with colors it tends to have a blueish tint but i like the quality.
all in all this port is made for exynos samsung and it is very buggy (front cam not working a lot of crashes) but portrait on back camera works really well, just dont try anything else, it doesnt work.
Generally you can get a pic with similar detail and more accurate colors by putting your backcam on 1.4 or 1.5 zoom and then take a picture of yourself with good soft lighting (have a window without direct sunlight to your site) this way you get the detail/texture of the skin and enough light to have the details of the hait and eyebrows. Have you arms streched, keep the phone steady with both hands and take the shot carefully with a prepositioned finger. again, never use portrait effect. bokeh will be ok here.
The panorama and my motorcycle are shot with the 2x zoom feature enabled. I did that to have the town closer but for the motorcycle shot i actually wanted to have the background closer. Zooming brings the objects closer together, with normal shot the hills in the back look too small and far away to be noticed
the building is shot late at night (european spring at 10pm/22:00), it was a lot darker than the photo suggests so i am very happy with the result. i actually see a lot more than i did with my eyes. I also tried a night shot but didnt have tripod or something to lean my phone against
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Do you think that the camera will be improved in the near future? Any hope on this?
No, how should it be improved? They will add some p20 pro features with handheld night shot and ai but the camera will stay the same... Can't fix everything with an update.
Seriously I don't know what you expect from a phone camera this is one of the best out there... If you only get bad shots maybe you need to think about reading some stuff on how to use a camera. T.
I mean all the flagships take great point and shoot photos. I just think pixel is the best for that and all the others are even better in pro mode (and features and modes)when u know how to use it.
You see all those pics online "shot with pixel/s9/p20pro" and they look a lot better than yours but they were taken by professional photographers under perfect settings and after that they did some high end post production on them.
Seriously I don't know what you expect from a phone camera this is one of the best out there... If you only get bad shots maybe you need to think about reading some stuff on how to use a camera. T.
I mean all the flagships take great point and shoot photos. I just think pixel is the best for that and all the others are even better in pro mode (and features and modes)when u know how to use it.
You see all those pics online "shot with pixel/s9/p20pro" and they look a lot better than yours but they were taken by professional photographers under perfect settings and after that they did some high end post production on them.
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Never mind it
Just accept that this board is full of whiners that are better at complaining than taking photos
I think what he meant was that if the camera will get an update to fix the 1.1x zoom problem. I hope it will though.
the camera can be much better through software tweaks. Gcam proofs it in portrait mode. Unfortunately all the bad stuff about our camera is still bad in p20. the camera is not made for taking pictures of people, unless they are really ugly and need a lot of make up. And the bokeh is not much better than on cheap chinese phones.
And of course they could add something like googles hdr+. Samsung did it and it helped with dynamik range.
i guess 80 % of phone camera improvement is made with software nowadays. normally you don't get any of those on the same phone (except Pixel/Nexus, my 6p still holds up with modern phones and often beats the mate 10 pro). But at least we are getting some of them. Better then LG, HTC, Samsung...
And of course they could add something like googles hdr+. Samsung did it and it helped with dynamik range.
i guess 80 % of phone camera improvement is made with software nowadays. normally you don't get any of those on the same phone (except Pixel/Nexus, my 6p still holds up with modern phones and often beats the mate 10 pro). But at least we are getting some of them. Better then LG, HTC, Samsung...
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thankx
your all feedback are very nice information .thankx for sharing here.
your all feedback are very nice information .thankx for sharing here.
One has to say, that the terrible "beautification" effect for faces has been notably turned down with firmware version 142. At least in good to medium low light. In low light an other software effect makes faces unnaturally smooth: the aggressive noise reduction and sharpening. Still works well with artificial structures (can yield rather impressive results!) but is really bad for faces and natural objects.
All in all one can say, that there is VAST potential for improvement in software. The hardware is great - as far as current small sensors and small optics go. You just have to look at the rare examples, when the Mate 10 (pro) gets one truly amazing picture. As those are - as I said - rather rare, it seems that means that the software did NOT work as intended in them But still it shows, what is possible. The main thing the Mate 10 (pro) struggles with is inconsistent quality and strong overprocessing, both can be improved via software.
Who expects current smartphone cameras to be on par even with mid tier compacts, not to speak high end or DSLRs, should seriously take a break and think about how unreasonable that is. There WILL be a day, when technical advances (f. e. curved sensors that are way more accurate) and software (truly intelligent and accurate stacking of the best parts of a multitude of images) will put the raw quality of small sensor cameras on a level that we currently only know from DSLRs. But these days are still a bit off.
All in all one can say, that there is VAST potential for improvement in software. The hardware is great - as far as current small sensors and small optics go. You just have to look at the rare examples, when the Mate 10 (pro) gets one truly amazing picture. As those are - as I said - rather rare, it seems that means that the software did NOT work as intended in them
But still it shows, what is possible. The main thing the Mate 10 (pro) struggles with is inconsistent quality and strong overprocessing, both can be improved via software.Who expects current smartphone cameras to be on par even with mid tier compacts, not to speak high end or DSLRs, should seriously take a break and think about how unreasonable that is. There WILL be a day, when technical advances (f. e. curved sensors that are way more accurate) and software (truly intelligent and accurate stacking of the best parts of a multitude of images) will put the raw quality of small sensor cameras on a level that we currently only know from DSLRs. But these days are still a bit off.
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I don't know about the whiners in this thread and in general, but i'm fine with being top 5 phone cameras on auto mode, and top 2 cameras with manual mode.
A lot of people pick the Pixel 2 XL over every other camera, but the pixel is VERY limited in shooting modes, and manual controls, if you care enough about photo quality, then I don't see the problem with playing around manual mode and learning how your camera works, rather than just pressing a button on auto every single time.. The Mate 10 has amazing lenses at f/1.6 and a decent sensor behind them, you are NOT limited with what you can do with this camera if you know how to shoot pictures. If you don't then stop whining if your pictures turn out ****, learn shot composition and what ISO, exposure, shutter speed, and white balance are, then maybe you can take good photos in the end.
I have a friend with a $2000 DSLR and he still can't take a decent photo.
HOWEVER, the only thing that really grinds my gears is the sharpening amount that the mate 10 does to its photos, its really insane how MUCH sharpening goes on in the photos.. and this you can't change unless you shoot RAW all the time. The oversharpening amount literally ruins some pics for me, they just look plain bad even if everything else is fine.
Also, the HDR mode is literally broken in this phone, 90% of the time I get better shots on Auto, and HDR mode always crushes blacks in almost every scenario I use it, so I stopped using it completely and trust Auto. (This maybe has to do with the monochrome sensor information, since you always get perfect exposures with the monochrome sensor, you probably never gonna need the HDR mode by itself..)
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One impressive thing I'll say though (and I've seen this from reviews as well as personal opinion) is the GREAT video you CAN shoot in low light. I went to a performance yesterday and me and my friend both took videos with our phones, he has Pixel 2 and me the Mate 10, his video is ****ed up with noise levels and looks like **** in general. Mine looks like it was shot by a professional video recorder, I don't know how the **** they did this but.. if you can get a stable video shot, it's incredible. If you move around a lot then no it's not good since no 4K stabilization (OIS only), but for filming performances where you sit down and can steady the phone, it's on another level I tell you.
Also the more impressive thing is the performance of the camera in ISO 1000 and up, I took some auto pics that looked like they were literally on ISO 50, the detail and everything was there, it looked like an ISO 50 shot, and it turns out it was an ISO 1000 shot with very high shutter, I am blown the **** away.
A lot of people pick the Pixel 2 XL over every other camera, but the pixel is VERY limited in shooting modes, and manual controls, if you care enough about photo quality, then I don't see the problem with playing around manual mode and learning how your camera works, rather than just pressing a button on auto every single time.. The Mate 10 has amazing lenses at f/1.6 and a decent sensor behind them, you are NOT limited with what you can do with this camera if you know how to shoot pictures. If you don't then stop whining if your pictures turn out ****, learn shot composition and what ISO, exposure, shutter speed, and white balance are, then maybe you can take good photos in the end.
I have a friend with a $2000 DSLR and he still can't take a decent photo.
HOWEVER, the only thing that really grinds my gears is the sharpening amount that the mate 10 does to its photos, its really insane how MUCH sharpening goes on in the photos.. and this you can't change unless you shoot RAW all the time. The oversharpening amount literally ruins some pics for me, they just look plain bad even if everything else is fine.
Also, the HDR mode is literally broken in this phone, 90% of the time I get better shots on Auto, and HDR mode always crushes blacks in almost every scenario I use it, so I stopped using it completely and trust Auto. (This maybe has to do with the monochrome sensor information, since you always get perfect exposures with the monochrome sensor, you probably never gonna need the HDR mode by itself..)
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One impressive thing I'll say though (and I've seen this from reviews as well as personal opinion) is the GREAT video you CAN shoot in low light. I went to a performance yesterday and me and my friend both took videos with our phones, he has Pixel 2 and me the Mate 10, his video is ****ed up with noise levels and looks like **** in general. Mine looks like it was shot by a professional video recorder, I don't know how the **** they did this but.. if you can get a stable video shot, it's incredible. If you move around a lot then no it's not good since no 4K stabilization (OIS only), but for filming performances where you sit down and can steady the phone, it's on another level I tell you.
Also the more impressive thing is the performance of the camera in ISO 1000 and up, I took some auto pics that looked like they were literally on ISO 50, the detail and everything was there, it looked like an ISO 50 shot, and it turns out it was an ISO 1000 shot with very high shutter, I am blown the **** away.
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Is it possible to shoot raw on the front/selfie dual camera on the mate 10 lite?
I was wondering this bc
I am hating the post processing on the p20 lite on front and back cam (and I think I saw the same sharpening and smudge/blur and compression effects on the p20 etc) resulting in very low resolution in areas that are supposed to be smooth, and strange spikey like artifacts on edges.
Shooting in raw provides muchmuchmuch better results, I can count the hairs on my legs ( instead of auto jpg wit post processing: blurry spots oil painting like bit not quite like that if it's darker.)
The post processing on the p8 was waywayway better, on the front and back, like straight out of a compact camera. What have they done to the algorithm
Any solution for that?
Give me grain instead of blur and sharpening effects resulting in too heavily sharpened edges with spikey artifacts and low res in areas that are supposed to be even, the low res areas leave the pics hardly editable, everything you alter shows up in those areas.
Also editing in gallery instantly resizes to lower resolution my pictures heavily on save (or open in editor) . From ~3MB reduced to ~800kb!?
Huawei, Whyyy
This also was not the case on the p8
I liked the native editing app, it was oké for tweaks and I liked the B&W converter. Now it also doesn't give avy numeral indication with the sliders, also very annoying when trying to duplicate a setting on another photo.
Any tips are welcome!
is perhaps possible for us to use the oldnative camera app from the p8 or post processing settings or gallery edotor (next to?) the newer versions?
I can upload some examples if anyone's interested in about one and a half week(study deadlines) from differences between native camera app on the p20 lite, raw VS jpeg and the p8
I was wondering this bc
I am hating the post processing on the p20 lite on front and back cam (and I think I saw the same sharpening and smudge/blur and compression effects on the p20 etc) resulting in very low resolution in areas that are supposed to be smooth, and strange spikey like artifacts on edges.
Shooting in raw provides muchmuchmuch better results, I can count the hairs on my legs ( instead of auto jpg wit post processing: blurry spots oil painting like bit not quite like that if it's darker.)
The post processing on the p8 was waywayway better, on the front and back, like straight out of a compact camera. What have they done to the algorithm
Any solution for that?
Give me grain instead of blur and sharpening effects resulting in too heavily sharpened edges with spikey artifacts and low res in areas that are supposed to be even, the low res areas leave the pics hardly editable, everything you alter shows up in those areas.
Also editing in gallery instantly resizes to lower resolution my pictures heavily on save (or open in editor) . From ~3MB reduced to ~800kb!?
Huawei, Whyyy
This also was not the case on the p8
I liked the native editing app, it was oké for tweaks and I liked the B&W converter. Now it also doesn't give avy numeral indication with the sliders, also very annoying when trying to duplicate a setting on another photo.
Any tips are welcome!
is perhaps possible for us to use the oldnative camera app from the p8 or post processing settings or gallery edotor (next to?) the newer versions?
I can upload some examples if anyone's interested in about one and a half week(study deadlines) from differences between native camera app on the p20 lite, raw VS jpeg and the p8
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thank you for this. i have a hard time dealing with all the complainers when it comes to this phone's camera. it is definitely in the top 5. i actually like the results more than i did with my s9+. it's an awesome camera, and no it doesn't compete with pixel2 in daylight, but it is a much more well-rounded camera system than the pixel2, hands down. low light photos are fantastic.
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