Photo quality

[TorpedoGirl]

I'm in love with this pic I took yesterday.

 

[Lookasso]

am I the only one with color and focus issues?

Dear ones, I have been looking for a phone with a bright display for outdoor use and a good camera.
LG G7 Thinq+ and Samsung S10 came to me.
LG lost soon due to lesser performances and camera quality.
S10 was less bright but so much better in everything else. I kept it.
Then the P30 Pro came to me. A bit too big and heavy, and strange native storage card, but, wow, bright as hell, fast.

So I started comparing the two cameras.
It`s no discussion that the 40mp of the Huawei gives better detail MOST of the times. And that the zoom is better, and low light too.
But, macro is much trickier to get right on the P30 Pro.
Pictures taken in Photo mode (no pro, no raw) are often not as deep in focus as huawei promises with the special t bla bla sensor. In other words, I get much more often a better depth of focus and detail on the S10.
And finally, the colors are just wrong. In daylight not that much, although you can definitely see that the S10 is much more natural.
But all what is low light, the P30 Pro has better exposure but worse colors, with a predominance of yellow.
And photos taken indoor, or lets say in any artificial light environment, where light color is warm (no neon), the P30 Pro very very very very very very heavily colors all in yellow till a point that the pictures are completely useless.

So, now my dilemma is, should I hope that they are going to solve this? Is it possible at all to solve it with an update and are they working on it? Or is it a matter of deciding if choosing between the better colors and focus of the S10 and the zoom and 40mb of P30 Pro?

added pics.
it's always s10 first and p30 pr0 after.

outdoors, you see the leaves are more yellow on p30, the wall and street and everything too. the real colors were like on s10 pic

indoor daylight, s10 perfect colors, p30 washed bright yellowish cold.

indoor night artificial light with warm color temperature.
s10 less brightness and detail but much better color.
p30 all ridiculously yellow.

again last pic but this time the pro was in pro mode, although still jpeg.


so. does that happen only to me? is it a defect in my unit? a common problem? is it going to be solved in the new batch in the hardware? or in all units with emui 10?

 

[ZayaanAhyaan]

Dear ones, I have been looking for a phone with a bright display for outdoor use and a good camera.
LG G7 Thinq+ and Samsung S10 came to me.
LG lost soon due to lesser performances and camera quality.
S10 was less bright but so much better in everything else. I kept it.
Then the P30 Pro came to me. A bit too big and heavy, and strange native storage card, but, wow, bright as hell, fast.

So I started comparing the two cameras.
It`s no discussion that the 40mp of the Huawei gives better detail MOST of the times. And that the zoom is better, and low light too.
But, macro is much trickier to get right on the P30 Pro.
Pictures taken in Photo mode (no pro, no raw) are often not as deep in focus as huawei promises with the special t bla bla sensor. In other words, I get much more often a better depth of focus and detail on the S10.
And finally, the colors are just wrong. In daylight not that much, although you can definitely see that the S10 is much more natural.
But all what is low light, the P30 Pro has better exposure but worse colors, with a predominance of yellow.
And photos taken indoor, or lets say in any artificial light environment, where light color is warm (no neon), the P30 Pro very very very very very very heavily colors all in yellow till a point that the pictures are completely useless.

So, now my dilemma is, should I hope that they are going to solve this? Is it possible at all to solve it with an update and are they working on it? Or is it a matter of deciding if choosing between the better colors and focus of the S10 and the zoom and 40mb of P30 Pro?

added pics.
it's always s10 first and p30 pr0 after.

outdoors, you see the leaves are more yellow on p30, the wall and street and everything too. the real colors were like on s10 pic

indoor daylight, s10 perfect colors, p30 washed bright yellowish cold.

indoor night artificial light with warm color temperature.
s10 less brightness and detail but much better color.
p30 all ridiculously yellow.

again last pic but this time the pro was in pro mode, although still jpeg.


so. does that happen only to me? is it a defect in my unit? a common problem? is it going to be solved in the new batch in the hardware? or in all units with emui 10?

I completely agree with you. I'm almost fed up with my P30 pro and been ranting about it's color science long enough.
My primary reason for shooting is kids and brownish tones come out cartoon like because of awful white balance.
I correct this most times with PRO mode but that also is a pain as it doesn't remember my last settings and I have to re program all over again and miss the shot doing so.

Indoors with yellowish light is a mess! Red is worse, I have to constantly move the camera around to somehow change it's white balance. I'm guessing it's the damn RYYB sensor. Updates have fixed it a bit, i'm on 195 now, but still not worth it.

Just waiting for Mate 30 pro to be launched on 19th and if it comes here, i'll get a hands on and then decide to toss my P30 pro of Mate or just head back to Samsung Note 10plus.

Sure, I won't get the details, faster shutter pics in Auto or the zoom, but i'm willing to trade that with usable pics!
...and don't even get me started on the videos!

 

[grizzlyspid86]

Dear ones, I have been looking for a phone with a bright display for outdoor use and a good camera.
LG G7 Thinq+ and Samsung S10 came to me.
LG lost soon due to lesser performances and camera quality.
S10 was less bright but so much better in everything else. I kept it.
Then the P30 Pro came to me. A bit too big and heavy, and strange native storage card, but, wow, bright as hell, fast.

So I started comparing the two cameras.
It`s no discussion that the 40mp of the Huawei gives better detail MOST of the times. And that the zoom is better, and low light too.
But, macro is much trickier to get right on the P30 Pro.
Pictures taken in Photo mode (no pro, no raw) are often not as deep in focus as huawei promises with the special t bla bla sensor. In other words, I get much more often a better depth of focus and detail on the S10.
And finally, the colors are just wrong. In daylight not that much, although you can definitely see that the S10 is much more natural.
But all what is low light, the P30 Pro has better exposure but worse colors, with a predominance of yellow.
And photos taken indoor, or lets say in any artificial light environment, where light color is warm (no neon), the P30 Pro very very very very very very heavily colors all in yellow till a point that the pictures are completely useless.

So, now my dilemma is, should I hope that they are going to solve this? Is it possible at all to solve it with an update and are they working on it? Or is it a matter of deciding if choosing between the better colors and focus of the S10 and the zoom and 40mb of P30 Pro?

added pics.
it's always s10 first and p30 pr0 after.

outdoors, you see the leaves are more yellow on p30, the wall and street and everything too. the real colors were like on s10 pic

indoor daylight, s10 perfect colors, p30 washed bright yellowish cold.

indoor night artificial light with warm color temperature.
s10 less brightness and detail but much better color.
p30 all ridiculously yellow.

again last pic but this time the pro was in pro mode, although still jpeg.


so. does that happen only to me? is it a defect in my unit? a common problem? is it going to be solved in the new batch in the hardware? or in all units with emui 10?

To be honest, i'm liking more the warmer tones produce by P30 rather than cool tones from S10. Its like when it comes to the actual camera, between Leica M8 & M9 -

P30 Pro RYYB color temp & style works exactly like the CCD sensor inside Leica M8 -

And between S10 & P30, i cant stand the unrealistic dynamic range, oversaturate and abysmal details that S10 produce. P30 always takes the cakes because of the superior hardware, plus u can just easily adjust color tones to your liking using Lightroom/Snapseed. Even in my Mate 20, i myself edit & add a bit with yellowish/warmer tones to it, just like P30 already produce. For me, it gave life & calmer to look at. Check it out.

 

[grizzlyspid86]

To be honest, i'm liking more the warmer tones produce by P30 rather than cool tones from S10. Its like when it comes to the actual camera, between Leica M8 & M9 -

P30 Pro RYYB color temp & style works exactly like the CCD sensor inside Leica M8 -

And between S10 & P30, i cant stand the unrealistic dynamic range, oversaturate and abysmal details that S10 produce. P30 always takes the cakes because of the superior hardware, plus u can just easily adjust color tones to your liking using Lightroom/Snapseed. Even in my Mate 20, i myself edit & add a bit with yellowish/warmer tones to it, just like P30 already produce. For me, it gave life & calmer to look at. Check it out.

More pics from my Mate 20 with added a bit yellowish/warmer tones.

 

[xxxcazador]

More pics from my Mate 20 with added a bit yellowish/warmer tones.

But the mate 20 and the p30 pro have very different sensors, all your uploaded photos are from the mate 20?

 

[grizzlyspid86]

But the mate 20 and the p30 pro have very different sensors, all your uploaded photos are from the mate 20?

That is the point. My Mate 20 has RGGB sensor, P30 has RYYB sensor, hence the more yellowish/warmer tones.

What i'm trying to say the warmer/yellowish tones is not a bad deal at all, even i add the warmer tones on my Mate 20 pics afterwards just like P30 does out of the box. I just prefer pics that way. If u found it too yellow, simply just change the hue/color temp later on.

 

[xxxcazador]

That is the point. My Mate 20 has RGGB sensor, P30 has RYYB sensor, hence the more yellowish/warmer tones.

What i'm trying to say the warmer/yellowish tones is not a bad deal at all, even i add the warmer tones on my Mate 20 pics afterwards just like P30 does out of the box. I just prefer pics that way. If u found it too yellow, simply just change the hue/color temp later on.

But I think the case is that the RYYB sensor interprets and creates colors that do not have on its sensor, and this makes a somewhat artificial yellow, very different from the yellow tones that you create in your photographs, whose editing can be in color temperature , hue or saturation.

I think Huawei, I create the p30 pro with this sensor to perfect it and have it ready in the mate 30, as it once did with the p9 / mate9, where everything created in that generation came to work perfectly in the generation p10 / mate10 / p20. Huawei does a lot to test features with cell phones and then throw the "final version" in the next series of cell phones.

I am currently a user of s10 + Exynos and I really hate the photography that this cell phone takes, it really seems that it takes worse photographs than my already retired p10, I think I may go for the p30 pro, but I also know that I am going on a more experimental side, where the processor of the photo can give many failures, since Huawei still does not perfect the subject of the RYYB sensor. I really believe that occupying that sensor was a mistake, they had to have perfected their set of RGB and Monochromatic sensors, they started this and then left

Sorry for speaking many topics and sorry for my bad English.

 

[grizzlyspid86]

But I think the case is that the RYYB sensor interprets and creates colors that do not have on its sensor, and this makes a somewhat artificial yellow, very different from the yellow tones that you create in your photographs, whose editing can be in color temperature , hue or saturation.

I think Huawei, I create the p30 pro with this sensor to perfect it and have it ready in the mate 30, as it once did with the p9 / mate9, where everything created in that generation came to work perfectly in the generation p10 / mate10 / p20. Huawei does a lot to test features with cell phones and then throw the "final version" in the next series of cell phones.

I am currently a user of s10 + Exynos and I really hate the photography that this cell phone takes, it really seems that it takes worse photographs than my already retired p10, I think I may go for the p30 pro, but I also know that I am going on a more experimental side, where the processor of the photo can give many failures, since Huawei still does not perfect the subject of the RYYB sensor. I really believe that occupying that sensor was a mistake, they had to have perfected their set of RGB and Monochromatic sensors, they started this and then left

Peron for speaking many topics and sorry for my bad English.

Trust me, Huawei improving their RYYB sensor devices recently, makes a great Leica color science than the early production, especially on newer EMUI 10 later. And next Mate 30 will surely perfected it.

Take a look at this, Note 10+ itself looks more yellowish tones than P30 Pro lol -

 

[benbird7]

Nice photos, especially of the moon which is the only zoom one. The M20P has OIS, I have been toying with the idea of upgrading to the P30P but I am going to wait for the M30P later in the year.

I like the idea of the extra zoom, but not at the compromise of that extra £££ when you consider you lose the more secure face ID and stereo speakers.

I think battery would last a little longer on the P30P to but with the M20P supporting fast charging at the same rate I can get it back up to charge in no time.

Well following on from my post above early August and after watching the launch event yesterday and with the mate 30 lacking in google services (at present) I decided to bite the bullet and got a P30 Pro second hand (unicorn kisses).

I got my mate 20 pro last Nov when it came out and have been itching for an upgrade but convinced myself to wait until yesterday's launch. So far I have found the P30 pro very similar to the mate 20 pro, it is wider and more difficult to hold one handed the camera in low light and the zoom is better but sometimes not quite a rich in color as the mate 20 pro + has 8 vs 6gb of RAM (do you really notice)...

I don't know whether to keep it or sell it on and keep my old mate 20 pro? I also recently got a compact bridge camera with 30x optical zoom, so do I really need the extra zoom?!

I am going to use it a few days to see how the battery life plays out and if I can get more used to it.

It'll be the mate 20 pro or the p30 pro that is up for sale in a few days though.

 

[dougm1970]

ok, looking for some tips...and thanks in advance for any replies....p30 pro on .193 patch btw.

1. i am having issues with movement in photos causing blur...a dog running was perfect on my old samsung s8+...but even in pro mode on this i find it hard...and impossible on 5x zoom or in lower light.

2. for some reason i cant get a good portrait mode..patches of clear in blurred background etc...i try aperture mode on 2x too...but would welcome any advice.

3. indoor photos seem to be washed out looking with over-exposure or reddish faces

4. do any other camera apps work better in any of them scenarios...open camera etc ?

5. how do i get a decent starry night photo ?

Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk

 

[goldybewon]

Some Super Macro shots today morning... Butterfly..

Thanks,
goldybewon

 

[xxxcazador]

Go from a Huawei p10 to a samsung s10 plus and now to the p30 pro and I really love the dynamic range of your DNG and JPEG files, the 2 have good latitude.

But in the edition of DNG files, the yellow / red colors work differently than conventional sensors, right now I am learning to handle it.

The black and white photo is an edition in Lightroom Mobile, taken in JPEG in portrait mode.
And the color photo also edited the Lighroom Mobile, taken in DNG and edited with a preset of mine that I occupy on the computer.

 

[grizzlyspid86]

Go from a Huawei p10 to a samsung s10 plus and now to the p30 pro and I really love the dynamic range of your DNG and JPEG files, the 2 have good latitude.

But in the edition of DNG files, the yellow / red colors work differently than conventional sensors, right now I am learning to handle it.

The black and white photo is an edition in Lightroom Mobile, taken in JPEG in portrait mode.
And the color photo also edited the Lighroom Mobile, taken in DNG and edited with a preset of mine that I occupy on the computer.

Love your color preset. Film-look, got that 'Leica' vibe :laugh:

 

[Hybrid Soldier]

Go from a Huawei p10 to a samsung s10 plus and now to the p30 pro and I really love the dynamic range of your DNG and JPEG files, the 2 have good latitude.

But in the edition of DNG files, the yellow / red colors work differently than conventional sensors, right now I am learning to handle it.

The black and white photo is an edition in Lightroom Mobile, taken in JPEG in portrait mode.
And the color photo also edited the Lighroom Mobile, taken in DNG and edited with a preset of mine that I occupy on the computer.

Could you share your presets?

 

[Lookasso]

using Lightroom/Snapseed.

Too much work. I want to have pics that i can immediately share. If for every single pic i need to transfer it to my old show notebook and edit it, then i just buy a camera.
There idea behind a phone with a good camera is that I'm a nomad and i want as less things as possible with me, so the phone must do a good job without me having to spend hours to make it work.

That said, any news about the "new" p30 pro? Is this problem solved with emui 10 and the new camera software?
And what about the mate 30? Is it better?

 

[MrThreeChains]

Too much work. I want to have pics that i can immediately share. If for every single pic i need to transfer it to my old show notebook and edit it, then i just buy a camera.
There idea behind a phone with a good camera is that I'm a nomad and i want as less things as possible with me, so the phone must do a good job without me having to spend hours to make it work.

That said, any news about the "new" p30 pro? Is this problem solved with emui 10 and the new camera software?
And what about the mate 30? Is it better?

Then you have no idea about photography. Even with a 2000$ camera, you still "need" to edit photos to get them to look like you want.

There's a reason why people shoot in RAW format, because they want to control how the picture looks. And the P30 and also Mate 30 already make great photos out of the box. Its always personal taste when people say the S10 is better, the iPhone is better etc.

 

[Lookasso]

Then you have no idea about photography. Even with a 2000$ camera, you still "need" to edit photos to get them to look like you want.

I meant that if i have to edit then i prefer to use a real camera. I use a phone to have quick decent results and i look for a phone which gives the best jpg results. At the moment the p30 pro doesn't seem to be the phone. If they corrected this with the new software, this is my question.

 

[MrThreeChains]

I meant that if i have to edit then i prefer to use a real camera. I use a phone to have quick decent results and i look for a phone which gives the best jpg results. At the moment the p30 pro doesn't seem to be the phone. If they corrected this with the new software, this is my question.

This is your personal opinion. I am not quite sure if they already did something in the EMUI 10 beta, because apparently they wanted to introduce a new camera color algorithm. The P30 Pro is still Huaweis flagship with the biggest market share, so i am sure they will continue to update their camera software.

 

[xxxcazador]

Love your color preset. Film-look, got that 'Leica' vibe :laugh:

Thanks

Could you share your presets?

Sure, no problem, these preset are my personal and usually my friends photographers sell them, but I do not think there is any problem in sharing some here.

Currently I only took a photo in DNG, my nephew who took the test, I hope within these days take more photos in DNG to do more tests, such as solving the vignetting. Let me know if you are interested in uploading preset updates, to change the ones that exist in Google Drive.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lA-9sgvTtORD6SYOlbESy0x7gcDk9wwi?usp=sharing

You know how they deal, right?
Mini basic guide: Export in lightroom mobile, then go to the tab copy settings and then in the photo you want to reveal you paste the settings, that simple. You can also find an online tutorial on how to occupy offline preset in lightroom mobile.

Sorry for my bad English, I'm Spanish speaking and I don't handle English very well.

I meant that if i have to edit then i prefer to use a real camera. I use a phone to have quick decent results and i look for a phone which gives the best jpg results. At the moment the p30 pro doesn't seem to be the phone. If they corrected this with the new software, this is my question.

What you say is the right thing and at the same time not, I am a professional photographer and I generally hate to walk with my camera to take the occasional spontaneous photo, a lot of weight, change of lenses and the subject that your work team can steal from you.

I find that the p30 pro takes good pictures, as in jpeg as in DNG, another thing is not knowing how to take advantage of it, it is also not very cumbersome to edit, if one is handled with digital development, you only have to create some preset and in 4 steps already You have your photo revealed.

I bought my p30 a week ago and I have not seen any problem in the photographic section, where I have seen a problem in the video, when recording video it looks like a low-end cell phone.