Photon: What Windows Mobile 7 could have been

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l3v5y

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The images of Photon look rather similar to what WM6.5.3 actually looks like. It's just a coat of paint on WM6.5, and I'd prefer WM7 to that any day.
 

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The images of Photon look rather similar to what WM6.5.3 actually looks like. It's just a coat of paint on WM6.5, and I'd prefer WM7 to that any day.

Even if WP7 doesn't give you access to the file system, native development, multitasking, copy&paste.....?!
 

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Even if WP7 doesn't give you access to the file system, native development, multitasking, copy&paste.....?!

Has there been any mention of a lack of c&p?

Filesystem, since it's based on CE (in all likely hood) will be easy to access.

Native development would be nice (and will be there, just not officially supported or publicly available).

And multitasking does exist, just maybe not as fully as WM6.X. Thing is, the real use of multitasking on a desktop is being able to put two windows side by side. We can't do that on a mobile so it's less useful, and if applications suspend rather than close (which they do from what I've seen) nothing is lost.

I've also got 6.5 anyway, which seems pretty much the same as Photon, apart from the fact that it actually works.
 

freyberry

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Has there been any mention of a lack of c&p?
Yes, the build shown at MWC did not include it. It's possible that they fail to implement it before year's end. It also seems like they're pushing their "phone number, email etc. detection" as an alternative, maybe because they know that they won't be able to implement full c&p before the release.

Filesystem, since it's based on CE (in all likely hood) will be easy to access.
Not without hacking, if they go the Apple route (and everything currently hints to them going the Apple route).

Native development would be nice (and will be there, just not officially supported or publicly available).
Not officially supported means not allowed for applications that get distributed via their Marketplace. And Marketplace will most likely be the only distribution channel.

And multitasking does exist, just maybe not as fully as WM6.X. Thing is, the real use of multitasking on a desktop is being able to put two windows side by side. We can't do that on a mobile so it's less useful, and if applications suspend rather than close (which they do from what I've seen) nothing is lost.
Again, not without hacking, if they go the Apple route of not allowing third party applications to run in the background. The operating system's ability to multitask is worth NOTHING if important applications like GPS navigation programs will not be allowed to run in the background.

But we have to wait and see... in the end, it might turn out that there is multitasking, file system access etc.
If there is not, however, then I prefer Photon.
 
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gogol

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From "user" point of view, it does not matter :)

I am just a user, why should I care ... as long as the WP7 phone can do the job done.

Of course, if you are power user and want to tweak around your phone, you would want that.

But obviously, not everyone.

When was last time I did copy paste on my WM6 device (HTC Kaiser)?

Hmm ....

Even if WP7 doesn't give you access to the file system, native development, multitasking, copy&paste.....?!
 

freyberry

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as long as the WP7 phone can do the job done.

There are LOTS of jobs it won't get done without true multitasking.

Like having a GPS app running in the background, when you get a call in the car, so that you
a) still get directions while you're on a call
b) don't have to touch your phone to reopen the application (which is dangerous and forbidden in many countries) after the call and wait until it gets the GPS fix again.
 

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Has there been any mention of a lack of c&p?
Actually, yes. In one of the videos a guy from MS shows the UI, opens some apps in front of journalists, and then he answers to the question "could you copy that text" (or something similar) with "I don't have it enabled on this device". That means it's not implemented yet, and that's scary.

And multitasking does exist, just maybe not as fully as WM6.X. Thing is, the real use of multitasking on a desktop is being able to put two windows side by side. We can't do that on a mobile so it's less useful, and if applications suspend rather than close (which they do from what I've seen) nothing is lost.
How can you say that? When I open some GPS app and I receive a call, it should, after finishing the call, continue with navigating, not looking for satellites again. When I'm downloading from rapidshare, I want that to happen in the background while I'm (for example) editing a word document and listening to radio etc. I want (no, I need) my FTP running in the background while I'm doing other stuff on the phone - sending a message, then adding some appts and tasks in Touch Calendar... Etc.
 
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One think I think no-one has yet pointed out is that this is very beta.

Has any WP7 device actually made a phone call yet?

WM6.5 was in a pretty crap shape when it was shown of last year, and by October it was a much more stable OS that was useful. WP7 is no where near release.
 

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I believe calling is a core function of a phone, and I still believe that it will take higher priority than the GPS app ...

So, in my theory, the incoming call will be OK.

It would be like "interrupt" of the running application.

Same like iPhone, correct? You can multitask in some way with its core functionality like Safari.

There are LOTS of jobs it won't get done without true multitasking.

Like having a GPS app running in the background, when you get a call in the car, so that you
a) still get directions while you're on a call
b) don't have to touch your phone to reopen the application (which is dangerous and forbidden in many countries) after the call and wait until it gets the GPS fix again.
 

freyberry

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WM6.5 was at least feature complete at MWC.

I don't trust them, I'm pretty sure they will "forget" some features, so that they can release it sooner.

Same like iPhone, correct? You can multitask in some way with its core functionality like Safari.
The iPhone does not allow any multitasking for third party applications. This is very, very bad and there are huge issues with this, like the example I mentioned.
I seriously hope MS doesn't pull an Apple here.
 
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I've been hugely unimpressed with WP7.

As someone else asked, why could they not have ceased development of WM6.5 in favour of WM7 (Photon) and launched it without the fancy gestures? They would've got it out the door the tail end of 2009 giving themselves 18 months to get a really slick WP8S out the door.

By the time this comes round the interface landscape could well have changed again with Else. (else.bz if you're interested).
 

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I doubt I'll see anything the sparks my intrest this year that will make me think WP7 took to long to come out. I'd rather see I complete feature rich device December 2010 then an incomplete one in April. There are a few things that have all been mentioned before that I hope microsoft allows with there new OS just because the reason I don't like Apple is because they have everything locked down. Hopefully Micrsoft can keep the platform open enough for our needs while still keeping those options hidden enough to not confuse the average guy. Think of it this way if WP7 takes off we will get so many more people added to our community :). If they don't keep it open well ofcourse we will just break it open but we will have a dissappointed look the whole time we are doing it.
 
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pongothemagnificent

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I'm actually kinda underwhelmed by that. Yes it's a nice ish look, but it's nothing more than a slightly better skin than 6.5.3. WP7 is a much better upgrade IMHO.

Oh yes lol 1000 times, thats just an early wm7 beta =]
 
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pongothemagnificent

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What I find interesting is that quite a lot of the changes in WM7 are present in 6.5. I doubt MS threw away WM7, they just merged it with 6.5 and then made WP7.

Well in the skinning level yes, but that wm7 beta is based of wince7.0, so on the kernel lvl they kept it wince5.2 sadly.