Pixel and Pixel XL Audio Quality

nuwayman

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I was at best buy yesterday getting a 6p. A Google worker there asked me what about the pixel. Then he pulled a pixel xl out of his pocket. He let me check it out. It was nice I'll admit. He said he just got it himself. They are to show it to customers that come to the Google area. I had him play something in full volume. He played a song from YouTube. To me it didn't sound like anything special. He had his hand cupped at the bottom where the sound was coming from. But I was in a loud place.
 
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Not necessarily the difference between the US Note 7 and HTC 10 was listening levels, so I am assuming the AMP side of HTC 10 is 'unique'.

I see people mentioning HTC M8 and that device has horrible hiss on the sensitive IEMs I prefer to use: Campfire Jupiter and Shire SE545. My Galaxy S6 also produces audible hiss with those IEMs.

Note 7 thoroughly surprised me with the Audio Quality which only got better once I had Viper4Android installed and working.

Note 7 with Aqstic codec was very Black background, with clean sound, very little stereo crosstalk and to me great response using Shure 535 & Campfire Jupiter. Since there doesn't seem to be anything special listed as far as Headphone out amplification : I am hoping Pixel will be on-par.

HTC 10 had the same characteristics of Note 7 with clean output (no hiss, no interference) but louder stock listening levels.

Where I was most impressed with Note 7 and HTC 10 was the ability to charge and use AUX input on rental cars while still having a 'clean' sound. No buzzing or feedback interference.


I had really high hopes for the LG V20 until they mentioned B&0 tuning was not US bound (just like the G5 B&0 Friend/Module) and then gsmarena testings showed Nexus 5 levels stereo crosstalk on headphone out. (Worrisome to me inregards to channel imbalance...especially with all the Quad-Dac hype)(I will however wait to test V20 on the 28th when it arrives locally, ironically similar dates to my estimated Pixel delivery 26th-28th.)

As far as supporting 24/192, yes Pixel devices support.
This is encouraging... not on the Pixel front, as my carrier is Verizon and they basically dashed my desire for it. Though, I was still thinking about the Note 7 (cancelled it due to the other rumors of the Note 7 replacements and fires...and then AT&T possibly not carrying them anymore). So, I'm left waiting for the V20 (if it sounds good). If not, I'll wait for the next round of phones, as the Xperia Z3v sounds decent enough. I like the headphones that you use, not sure why you use that Viper4Android with those headphones. Is that not an EQ w/DSP functions and just tailors the audio to taste? I've not heard valid reasons why that software does anything special. I use the following headphones around the house...
- Audeze EL-8 Open
- Heir Audio 4.a CIEM
- MEElectronics M6 Pro
- Fostex Th-X00 Purple Heart
- Philips SHP9500

I of course have other headphones coming, but those are to be driven by a desktop setup.
 

waytoocrazy

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Just for reference for all of you: Nexus 5 and HTC One M8 have the same DAC. Nexus 6P and One M9 have the same DAC.

From this you can understand that not everything is thanks to the DAC. Also amplifier and other factors can influence a lot the sound quality.
Agreed, it is all in the implementation.
 

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Safe to assume then that Pixel will have similar sound quality to HTC 10 ?
This is encouraging... not on the Pixel front, as my carrier is Verizon and they basically dashed my desire for it. Though, I was still thinking about the Note 7 (cancelled it due to the other rumors of the Note 7 replacements and fires...and then AT&T possibly not carrying them anymore). So, I'm left waiting for the V20 (if it sounds good). If not, I'll wait for the next round of phones, as the Xperia Z3v sounds decent enough. I like the headphones that you use, not sure why you use that Viper4Android with those headphones. Is that not an EQ w/DSP functions and just tailors the audio to taste? I've not heard valid reasons why that software does anything special. I use the following headphones around the house...
- Audeze EL-8 Open
- Heir Audio 4.a CIEM
- MEElectronics M6 Pro
- Fostex Th-X00 Purple Heart
- Philips SHP9500

I of course have other headphones coming, but those are to be driven by a desktop setup.
Viper4Android does install a driver to use.

The volume levels with just Viper driver & activated, but no other audio effects present are different with many Android devices. Truly a Mileage May Vary.

On the Note 7 in particular it allows for some extra listening levels (louder) before triggering the Extreme Warning for turning the volume up to 70%.

While drivers and firmware are technically just a form of software, IMO they are a cleaner approach to enhancing performance, especially in regards to audio EQ tweaking. Much like using UI video tweaks rather than updating the driver for video card.

Not sure if that was entirely coherent: it is late ...I may register post after plane lands.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXokAzASesA&feature=youtu.be

here's a video comparing loudness between the single pixel speaker and the pair of nexus 6p speakers. I am pleased to know that even thou I lose stereo front facing I will at least be able to hear loud sound. The Pixel specification on the google store under media state: "Adaptive audio amplifier to maximize speaker performance and durability". I hope that they use a good amplifier for the headphone jack, it would be my only concern and this same guy says that the pixel has no trouble driving his Sennheiser hd 280 pro 36 ohm impendance headphones! Yay! I ordered xl 128gb black 30 seconds after the preorder went live with expedited shipping, hope to get on Oct 20th thursday.
 

waytoocrazy

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People actually care about speaker volume? I don't think I use my speakers more than for just notifications. Well, maybe the occasional YouTube video. Otherwise, it is all about the headphone audio.
 

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People actually care about speaker volume? I don't think I use my speakers more than for just notifications. Well, maybe the occasional YouTube video. Otherwise, it is all about the headphone audio.
For me I agree except for headphones, I like good quality and flawless connection to Bluetooth headphones for the gym

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According to the video on youtube, the speaker on pixel xl is better than nexus 6p, and according to Qualcomm, it use hi-fi dac like htc 10 does. The power of the Snapdragon 821 processor extends into the Pixel smartphones’ audio capabilities through stunning Hi-Fi audio playback. The phone features the Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec, designed to deliver high dynamic range and high-resolution playback up to 192kHz/24bit to create a remarkable audio experience designed to match the demands of the modern audiophile. https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapdragon/2016/10/04/pixel-phones-made-google-powered-snapdragon-821
 

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I'm on the verge of picking up a new phone. I originally wanted the Note 7, but waited and then heard about the LG V20 with its Quad Dac. I'm still holding out hope that the Pixel XL has some really nice audio out capabilities (at least better than my Xperia Z3v or Galaxy Note 3). I prefer the quicker updates the Pixel will get, but still. My main use right now would be the 128gb model as I use my phone everyday for listening to music (as well as typical phone stuff). I refuse to carry a DAP and a phone. So basically, what do you guys think? I haven't seen anything discussing the audio capabilities.
Just ran across your thread here and after about an hour of Googling, I came across something interesting. The HTC uses the Snapdragon 820's DAC. Here's a read directly from Qualcomm's website regarding the sound quality of the Snapdragon 82X series SoC's:

There are many portable Hi-Fi audio devices available to consumers with prices ranging from a couple hundred to thousands of dollars. But before you take out the wallet, here’s a question: Have you ever considered the device that you use every day—you know, your smartphone?


The HTC 10, powered by the Snapdragon 820 processor, features the Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec.
A Qualcomm Snapdragon powered smartphone with integrated Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec is engineered to deliver those sounds—no additional equipment (or dollars) needed. And there has been no shortage of smartphones featuring Qualcomm Aqstic, including the HTC 10 and Xiaomi Mi5, powered by the Snapdragon 820 processor (check out these awesome reviews).

The Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec has an integrated DAC (Digital-to-Analog) converter that supports up to 192-kHz/24-bit playback. This is a high-resolution standard that recording studios use to master tracks—it’s how you produce that pure listening experience that satisfies even the most sophisticated ears.

Many aspects contribute to the ideal audio experience. Once the analog signal is converted by the DAC, it still needs to be amplified for the headphone experience. The Aqstc audio codec is designed to deliver the amplification performance that is usually captured by impressive SNR and THD+N numbers. For audio geeks, SNR (Signal-to-Noise Ratio) and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion + N) are specs that determine the dynamic range and signal purity.

With the SNR at 115db on the Aqstic codec, you’re getting the best dynamic range—one where you can feel the dramatic change of volume and emotion of something as beautiful as Beethoven’s Third. Ultra-low THD+N at -105db means that the tone of the instruments and vocals you’re hearing is a faithful reproduction of the recording, and no additional noise or signal is needed to give it the most authentic sound reproduction.

The Aqstic audio codec also supports dual oscillators; the dual-clock design supports sampling frequencies 44.1kHz and 48kHz independently so your music files can be processed at native sampling rates without any conversion.

The Aqstic smart PA (Power Amplifier) is another piece engineered to deliver even more oomph to your external speakers. Your music can be loud and crystal-clear thanks to the wide dynamic range and low noise floor on the smart PA. It also features Speaker Protection that protects your speakers from damage when pushing volumes levels beyond normal range.

Maybe the most impressive part of the Aqstic solution is that it combines the best of both worlds in performance and power consumption. Every aspect of the Aqstic audio solution is highly integrated in the Snapdragon 820, engineered to provide Hi-Fi audio quality while maintaining great battery life.



It sounds like to me that the Pixel should be right on par with the HTC 10. I've been an audiophile for a while now, dating back to the original Galaxy phones with the voodoo awesomeness and Wolfson audio DAC's. I currently own a HTC 0 and for cans I use B&O H6's I bought in Amsterdam and Westone W4r's for IEM's. I also own a Dragonfly Audio v2 external DAC. I can tell you with my personal experience that I LOVED the sound from the V10, while I only like the sound of the HTC. With the firmware tweaks and V4A add ons to the V10 and it's built in ESS Sabre DAC, that thing will give me chills when playing my favorite tracks.

Keep in mind it's personal preference, but I travel the globe and music is my life. I just thought I'd share with you my experience with both the V10 and HTC 10 (effectively the Pixel as it uses the identical DAC)

Also keep in mind anyone that suggests to purchase an external DAC for a solution is silly because you cannot charge the phone and use the External DAC at the same time without yet another dongle that supports it. The V10, you plug in headphones and an external charger and you're good to go.

I personally cannot wait to see the actual audio out from the new v20!

Good luck!

Best regards
 

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One of if not the biggest selling point that sold me on the Nexus 6 was the dual front facing speakers. Boy was that a mistake. They crackle and distort all the time. Glad I got rid of that aspect of the N6.
 
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If you're wanting in ear quality go for the LG V20, HTC 10 or ZTE Axon 7

I've had HTC m7/8/9 and LG G5 All top quality sound so you can't go wrong with either V20 or HTC 10

Heard great things about the Axon 7 audio and the price is dope like half price of the V20
 

recDNA

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I care more about external speaker quality and volume. Note 7 sounded awful. I don't need stereo but it should decent. Any experience?
 

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BTW, confirmed it lacks aptX.

They should be ashamed of themselves.
aptX would have been nice, but few devices support it (probably due to licensing fees). Today's Bluetooth standard by default actually comes fairly close to aptX in terms of bitrate. As long as you have newer hardware on both ends, it should be an inaudible difference for most.

I care more about external speaker quality and volume. Note 7 sounded awful. I don't need stereo but it should decent. Any experience?
Google guy with his phone said the Pixel sounded better (quality wise) and louder despite only having 1 speaker compared to the 6P. But front facing and stereo do count for a lot by themselves.
 
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So True!



I'm very much leaning that way myself.





As for the others who continue to suggest V4A or other software EQ/DSP... enlighten me on how painting a smiley face on a turd of a DAC makes it sound better? It doesn't... it simply alters the sound. I have multiple headphones that I use for different genres of music. THAT is what I use to alter the sound that I'm looking for. EQ and DSP are only meant to cover up the shortcomings of the headphones native sound signature. How would I know if I'm making things worse by polishing a Turd of a DAC by warping the sound signature? If I wanted to make things more "bassy" or "echoey" or whatever you want. I'd just pick up a pair of Beats headphones and call it a day. I'm sure it is a fantastic piece of software, again... it is completely opposite of what I'm looking for. Though, thank you for letting me know that it is out there. The 5 YouTube videos I watched let me know that it wasn't something I'd be interested in beyond a novelty.
Not only that but long term trust me you don't want the long term issues that come with V4A.

Now before anyone chimes in on this, a lot of what you guys are using for Viper zip installs was started in a thread that I maintained on the Nexus 5(thread is in my signature). There was a great group of users in the thread that we worked together and created at the time the best install for V4A. From removing conflicting libs, setting correct permissions, installing files to the right places, and even adding the ability for all files to remain after flashing a ROM, was started there. Now this was needed because Viper is a crap install process and hasn't been properly updated in years by the creator. Yes its's open source, but to my knowledge no one has grabbed the torch. I still check the official thread from time to time and still see the same old install issues again and again. Personally I just got tired of it.
 
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I honestly doubt it will be as good as HTC 10, but at the same time I am 100% sure it will be better than any other previous Nexus.
From the evidence that I've seen so far, the Pixel and HTC 10 will (most likely) share the same codec & headphone amp combo, the WCD9335. Differences in objective audio fidelity will come down to:

  • kernel driver-level amplifier setup
  • differences in the mixer. I have not seen the mixer_paths_tasha.xml file of the HTC 10 to be sure
  • analog circuit design, particularly ground plane isolation
 
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