Pixel XL or keep Note 7

[token22]

What to Do?? Note 7 -> Google Pixel XL-> or S7 Edge

I'm in same boat as many here with regards to Note 7. I love it, does everything I want, now I gotta trade it in. With the Note 7 using old 6.0.1 . Foxfi/PDAnet still worked on the Note 7
The question is if I get a Verizon version of Google's Pixel XL with 7.0 or 7.1 will foxfi work?? or will PDAnet work? I'm still in what verizon calls the 1% bracket that still has the old grandfathered unlimited data (Which I use but don't abuse) Or do I roll back to a Samsung S7 edge? which I know still works (For now)

 

[neyenlives]

I'm in same boat as many here with regards to Note 7. I love it, does everything I want, now I gotta trade it in. With the Note 7 using old 6.0.1 . Foxfi/PDAnet still worked on the Note 7
The question is if I get a Verizon version of Google's Pixel XL with 7.0 or 7.1 will foxfi work?? or will PDAnet work? I'm still in what verizon calls the 1% bracket that still has the old grandfathered unlimited data (Which I use but don't abuse) Or do I roll back to a Samsung S7 edge? which I know still works (For now)

I guess you aren't familiar with google devices. They are generally bootloader unlocked and completely rootable and whatnot. Essentially fully customizeable which generally means good developer support from the good people at xda and they can be made to do just about anything you want with some effort. Something like foxfi or pdanet should be a simple thing in terms of what the device can do.

I had a Nexus 6 and went to Note 7, I waited a loooong time to finally get into another Note after having the Note 3 and 4. Now that's all messed up.

The perfect device would be a Google Note 7 for me. But it looks like I either go Note 5 to keep the SPen functionality or go Pixel XL to be able to customize........

 

[Jcursiolf]

I think maybe you exaggerate just a tiny bit.

Well, from my experience of 3 and half years as Quality Engineer of a Korean company (not related to cell phones), I can tell: when a Korean brand says "stop using", people REALLY should stop using. If Samsung says so, I'm positively sure that they probably haven't found the real cause yet (or at least haven't found a fix) and are not entirely sure how many units may be affected (if only the ones that already had problems or 100% of the units).

I don´t care if people will buy the Pixel XL, iPhone Plus, Note 5, S7 or even some old Nokia without "smart" features, but if the brand says so, they should stop using their phones for their own safety. No exaggeration.

 

[token22]

I understand boot loaders been playing with them for years now (Non-Phone)
The problem is Verizon. From news reports Verizon Pixels' bootloaders would not be able to be unlocked. or so they say. Google's will be unlocked.
The real problem from my perspective is Google's Pixel's XL 128gb have been sold out since day one. Who knows when the 128gb version of the XL will become available. Samsung's recall was issued afterward. I believe we as Note 7 users will be under some pressure to quickly exchange the Note for something else because of potential lawsuits. So that leave's Verizon users about 3 options Keep the Note and take the risk. Buy a Verizon Pixel XL and wait for someone to crack Verizon's lock. Will it take days weeks or a month or more. or the 3rd option would be to roll back and buy a S7 edge or Note 5 running 6.0.1
I'm wondering when the first Pixels come out will you be able to even USB tether with verizon's version of the phone or better yet hot spot it. Foxfi/PDAnet are nice quick and easy for people that don't want to mess around too much..
Guess I'm going to have to wait til google pixels XL's get resupplied I see those are back ordered 5-6 weeks

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well, from my experience of 3 and half years as Quality Engineer of a Korean company (not related to cell phones), I can tell: when a Korean brand says "stop using", people REALLY should stop using. If Samsung says so, I'm positively sure that they probably haven't found the real cause yet (or at least haven't found a fix) and are not entirely sure how many units may be affected (if only the ones that already had problems or 100% of the units).

I don´t care if people will buy the Pixel XL, iPhone Plus, Note 5, S7 or even some old Nokia without "smart" features, but if the brand says so, they should stop using their phones for their own safety. No exaggeration.

In your opinion. You know what they say about opinions.

 

[Jcursiolf]

In your opinion. You know what they say about opinions.

No, I don't. What do they say about opinions? :cyclops:

Anyway, I sincerely wanted to understand the reasoning behind this belief of yours that it's exaggeration to say that people should stop using the Note 7. Maybe you believe that the brand stopping the production of the phone could be just a marketing issue? If so, I would totally agree if they didn't release the returning box that XDA received, with very specific instructions, static and thermal protection. Why would a company go into the trouble of designing and purchasing something so specific just for marketing? It is a safety issue, as probably studied by a team of engineers that decided it was best to this kind of course of action.

No kidding, I really wanted to understand your reasoning.

 

[Zaf9670]

I think this is a question of "do I want to take a chance of third degree burns or not" at this point.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think this is a question of "do I want to take a chance of third degree burns or not" at this point.

GIven that NO-ONE has any third degree burns, why not add "do I want to take a chance of an explosion that might rip all my limbs off". Or indeed any other calamitous event you wish to speculate about but which actually hasn't happened.

 

[JasonJoel]

Fine, keep your POTENTIALLY lethal phone that can burn down your house or worse. That's your choice.

I assume adding the word potentially above should meet your semantics issue?

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[combat goofwing]

You realise the note will get zero updates from here on

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[Chippy_boy]

Fine, keep your POTENTIALLY lethal phone that can burn down your house or worse. That's your choice.

I assume adding the word potentially above should meet your semantics issue?

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No, it does not. Because you had to sensationalise it with the words "lethal" and "burn your house down or worse". When none of those events have happened, or come close to happening.

You could have said, "Fine, keep your phone and accept the very small risk that it could catch fire and possibly even do some damage". But clearly saying that didn't suit your agenda.

But heck, type what you like - it's a free forum.

 

[JasonJoel]

Not yet, but a REASONABLE person can make a conclusion that the phone is getting over ignition temperature and could start a fire. And where there is fire, there is a potential for loss of life.

Pretty simple.

Just because it hasn't happened YET doesn't mean it can't. Thus the wording of POTENTIAL.

When the manufacturer sends people fire proof packaging to return their product, I listen. I trust their opinion much more than yours...

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[Chippy_boy]

Not yet, but a REASONABLE person can make a conclusion that the phone is getting over ignition temperature and could start a fire. And where there is fire, there is a potential for loss of life.

Pretty simple.

Just because it hasn't happened YET doesn't mean it can't.

When the manufacturer sends people fire proof packaging to return their product, I listen. I believe their opinion much more than yours...

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But you don't know what their opinion is.

Do you know why they sent that packaging? I think it is because some couriers were refusing to transport Note 7's.

All you can say with certainty is that there have been Y phones shipped and X phones with problems. And therefore a X/Y chance of any one phone having a problem. I don't know what X/Y is, but it is a very small number. Those are the only FACTS we know.

 

[JasonJoel]

I know their opinion is that they told ALL users to power it down and not use it. That's a fact.

That is good enough for me.

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[Zaf9670]

GIven that NO-ONE has any third degree burns, why not add "do I want to take a chance of an explosion that might rip all my limbs off". Or indeed any other calamitous event you wish to speculate about but which actually hasn't happened.

There are definitely confirmed "severe burns" and damaged property including rooms and vehicles. And given the scale in which this is happening compared to any other device it's concerning.

I have no intention of owning a Samsung device (unless it's a Google Play edition) again due to the locked down bootloaders and difficulty removing bloatware.

It's ultimately the users decision on whether or not to heed the warning after a double recall.

Sure I was being a bit fecesious in my response but it does come down to taking a risk of a potential injury.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Sure I was being a bit fecesious in my response but it does come down to taking a risk of a potential injury.

Agreed.

However, there's been far too much hysteria and exaggeration about just how big a risk it is. Clearly there's some underlying problem with the phone and clearly there are far more (and too many) catching fire than you would expect with this kind of equipment.

But statistically the chances of any given phone having a problem are very low.

1 in every 15,700 people die whilst mountain hiking. 1 in every 1,750 die whilst mountain climbing. 1 in 16,000 die in a car accident.

We have something like 10 (ish, I don't know the actual number) faulty Note 7's in the latest batch of what, 2 million? So 1 in 200,000? Say I have it wrong and it's 1 in 50,000. So you are 3x more likely to be killed in a car accident than have your phone catch fire.

It doesn't help keep things in perspective when people say things like "your phone WILL explode".

 

[Zaf9670]

Agreed.

However, there's been far too much hysteria and exaggeration about just how big a risk it is. Clearly there's some underlying problem with the phone and clearly there are far more (and too many) catching fire than you would expect with this kind of equipment.

But statistically the chances of any given phone having a problem are very low.

1 in every 15,700 people die whilst mountain hiking. 1 in every 1,750 die whilst mountain climbing. 1 in 16,000 die in a car accident.

We have something like 10 (ish, I don't know the actual number) faulty Note 7's in the latest batch of what, 2 million? So 1 in 200,000? Say I have it wrong and it's 1 in 50,000. So you are 3x more likely to be killed in a car accident than have your phone catch fire.

It doesn't help keep things in perspective when people say things like "your phone WILL explode".

You're right about the "your phone WILL explode" being an exaggeration. But you also have to put it in perspective to every phone launch over the past 3 years.

What has been the underlying cause of phone fires/melting? Typically people putting their phone under their pillow, a faulty charger, aftermarket battery, bad case, etc.

These phones are literally catching fire due to an OEM defect that's not been resolved after one full recall. Sure it may be a >0.1% of all produced batteries but they don't have a significant way to verify that chance.

And it comes down to liability in the end as well. You choose to climb that mountain, drive that car, or jump off that cliff. Samsung is most likely trying to mitigate legal battles and more financial losses.

 

[FalconFX]

Im pretty aure sammy will disable the imei rendering it useless. At that point you can use it as grenade

 

[force70]

Im pretty aure sammy will disable the imei rendering it useless. At that point you can use it as grenade

The debate is can they actually do that?

I could see it happening...but on the other hand you could just keep using the device until that happens then bring it back lol

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[combat goofwing]

Forgeting it is or is not dangerous,it will get zero updates from Samsung , nothing and in all likelihood will end up being blocked from use .......so why even consider keeping it

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