Polaris photo quality is obscene.

[saisallo]

Hi this is my first post i'm following with great interest the forum and i've got a problem i've not seen in the forum but to me is the worst at all.

Horrible image quality in photo with artifacts in compression:
i've sent a complain to HTC and i'll see if any answer...

here is what i've sent:

Hi,I'm complaining for many bugs and poor perfomance of my new p3650 touch cruise

here are only the most urgent:
1st) the photo quality is terrible I can attach a sample image if you want, I've set to maximum resolution 3mp and superfine and even in full day light I get jerky - full of artifacts images and compared to my motorola v3x only 2mp of two years ago is like to get back to the stone age. Please release a better driver or compressor.
2nd) the video is jerky an poor quality also when i play a video also in corrected format native pda resolution this is played jumping and slow framerate.
3D) the contacts section always shows both sim and outlook records so I get always double contacts the phone is terrible to use in this way also I tried a workaround with filtering but this is not memorized so i have to set every time :this is horrible and a phone must have this tool working if you compare to old years ago phones or pda you'll get in comparison a thousand lightyear better use.
Please above all solve the video section for terrible quality.
I think you must not ignore my asking.

As you see i'm also concerned with more question but the image prob. is too big ....

thanks


Attached two shots from motorola V3x only 2MP and Htc polaris you can vomit if you want............

please - cannot upload for the images max size is 100k and if i downsample the image the artifacts are not the same ...... i'm looking for a upload site-url

 

[gnick666]

Can we see the images?

 

[Rudegar]

as long as the content is not obscene

 

[maati]

The photo quality on my Orbit 2 (Polaris) is actually one of the best I've ever seen.
If no flash is needed it can compete with Sony Ericsson devices easily.

Did you
- disable the shutter sound?
- enable taking the photo by "half press" of the key? If not, take care that you don't move at all because fully pressing the key without moving is quite difficult

 

[saisallo]

please w8

 

[saisallo]

imageslink

please see them at fullres or at 200% expecially at the sky or greens ....

htc image-A http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htcpolarisimageaxq3.jpg
v3x image-A http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v3ximageamo0.jpg

htc image-B http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htcpolarisimagebdy7.jpg (see that funny moirè and small blocks......... + jpeg artifacts at superfine ... or supershit???)

V3X image-B http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v3ximagebuj3.jpg

 

[saisallo]

The photo quality on my Orbit 2 (Polaris) is actually one of the best I've ever seen.
If no flash is needed it can compete with Sony Ericsson devices easily.

Did you
- disable the shutter sound?
- enable taking the photo by "half press" of the key? If not, take care that you don't move at all because fully pressing the key without moving is quite difficult

i'm not a novice and first to post i've done already what you say ... btw maybe your comparison is with a vga phone......

i'm directly comparing photo with an old motorola V3X that is only 2MP ..... and see attachements you can easily see what is better ....

also see the photo you shot on pc .... then starting shout......

or maybe my polaris is defective ??????????

this may be a better thing.... for you all of course ... hope this is not defective and is only a matter of driver/compression

I have many phone pda and this is the worse camera i've ever seen .......


thanks .

 

[gnick666]

First of all, don't expect High Quality in every field by an 'All-In-One' device like the Polaris.
There were several photos taken in reviews all around the world, so don't curse the Polaris because you don't like the quality of the photos taken. You had the option to see some sample photos before you bought it.
If the quality of your pictures differ from the sample ones (in the reviews), and is much worse, maybe you don't know everything about taking photos.
Maybe you could reduce the sharpness a little bit...

Also, the V3x uses software blur for removing the artifacts.

 

[maati]

I am comparing to 3Mpx Sony Ericsson phones like the K800i which are the best camera-phones on the market.

My XDA Orbit 2 takes photos that are competitive to those taken with SE phones as long as they're not done in dark environment (because SE phones have flashlight).

So, if you really did the optimizations and if your photos are really that bad you probably got a defective device.

EDIT: OK, now i looked at your sample shots and now I understand what you're talking about. Yes, the moiré is there and it is there on every Polaris device. But: IMHO the Polaris photos are still way better than the Motorola ones, because they include much more detail, which is in every case more important than not seeing this moiré/grainy effect. Why? Because you can get rid of these effects with photoshop (or probably some free programs, too) easily but you cannot get the details the Motorola photos are missing with any program.

As I always edit the important photos afterwards with PS, I didn't think that you would have problems with these effects (I also noticed them of cousre, but they are no problem for me, at least less of a problem than bad light/color/details).

Like gnick666 said before, try reducing sharpness if you don't want to optimize the photos on your PC.

 

[xdamiki]

i'm not a novice and first to post i've done already what you say ... btw maybe your comparison is with a vga phone......

i'm directly comparing photo with an old motorola V3X that is only 2MP ..... and see attachements you can easily see what is better ....

also see the photo you shot on pc .... then starting shout......

or maybe my polaris is defective ??????????

this may be a better thing.... for you all of course ... hope this is not defective and is only a matter of driver/compression

I have many phone pda and this is the worse camera i've ever seen .......


thanks .

May be your htc is defective.
My Cruise make photos really better ( almost my old phone nokia N73 with 3mpx and Karl Zeiss lens).

Sorry for you.

 

[saisallo]

May be your htc is defective.
My Cruise make photos really better ( almost my old phone nokia N73 with 3mpx and Karl Zeiss lens).

Sorry for you.

have seen them on pc???

well : all you that are saying to get these good shots, please let me see these shots and post them please to compare them

 

[saisallo]

First of all, don't expect High Quality in every field by an 'All-In-One' device like the Polaris.
There were several photos taken in reviews all around the world, so don't curse the Polaris because you don't like the quality of the photos taken. You had the option to see some sample photos before you bought it.
If the quality of your pictures differ from the sample ones (in the reviews), and is much worse, maybe you don't know everything about taking photos.
Maybe you could reduce the sharpness a little bit...

Also, the V3x uses software blur for removing the artifacts.

this device is not an all in **** one this cost 600 euros !! so i don't expect a canon digital ixus quality but at last some better or equal than a much older phone like the v3x ..... also i've seen shots from other users but not as this bad .... i'd like to see your shots (without editing please....)

 

[gnick666]

Yes, i know it costs 600 EUR, I bought it for 620... But still, it's an 'all-in-one' device, like it or not.
I had hell of a time polishing the pics taken with my V3x, but - as mentioned before - the Polaris, takes pictures whith more detail.

Heres mine.

original: http://blacksun.extra.hu/myfiles/image_060.jpg
edited: http://blacksun.extra.hu/myfiles/image_060_edited.jpg

The first one was taken, whith default settings. Check the EXIF data, for proof of date/source, also img includes clock.
The editing has been done whith Irfan View, Blur Filter 3 times.

I'm not an expert, infact I'm a n00b on this, but 1 thing's for sure, not always the most sensitive setting is the best.

 

[qtek_metanol]

Hi Saisallo, you just expend your time discussing here with some HTC extreme freaks about this theme, for some weeks ago when i got my Orbit 2 (HTC Cruise) i wrote i post complaining about the bad quality of the phone, not only the camera but also the sound and some others things and the people just say that they don't have any problem, that they were satisfied with theirs devices and more. Sometimes I think that they didn't have a good product in their hands before. After all the HTC Cruise costs about 530 €, almost the price for a standard notebook.

My last complain about this phone.....!!!!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365676

I just recommend the people to don't buy this phone. Orbit 2 / HTC Cruise are the last crap from HTC

 

[ouioui01]

I just recommend the people to don't buy this phone. Orbit 2 / HTC Cruise are the last crap from HTC

+1

My old Artemis is much better....

Guys, don't make the same error as me and some others!!!!!!

Cheers,

ouioui01

 

[gnick666]

Hi Saisallo, you just expend your time discussing here with some HTC extreme freaks...

We're not freaks
We just have other methods and oppinions about things. Yeah, we're f*cked because of the driver problem, but that doesn't change the fact that 95% of failiures are caused by the user or in much less percentage software error not caused my the user but the programmer, be it PC, or PDA.
Maybe in 2-3 years these 'all-in-one' devices will compete whith dedicated ones, but that's still in the future, and not now. Learn to compromise, i.e.: post editing photos, optimizng mp3/videos, and so on.

If you can't reproduce the proven quality in some functions, that's your own personal probelm: 1. you expect too much from current technology, 2. you don't know how to do it.

Peoples oppinios differ, just because of that calling others freaks is a bit too arrogant. This forum is for exchanging these oppinions, in cultured, non-offending way.

 

[saisallo]

i've seen your photos and are crappish like mine perhaps they don't have moire effects .... but definitively mediocre quality i must say and so also mine is not defective now i know.

also i'm getting conviced my money was wasted and that i had to w8 more time before buy it ..... and see how much complain there are around ...

now i know that i must w8 for un upgrade of the firmware or software ... but seems that htc support is only for their bank account ........

will follow the forum but i feel stolen by htc.

bye

 

[JNGold]

will follow the forum but i feel stolen by htc.

bye

Windows Mobile device have traditionally had mediocre camera at best. If you wanted a dynamic camera on a mobile device, you should consider a Nokia N95.

 

[SvanteH]

My first post here, so proud When I was shopping for groceries (eerie isn't it?) I decided to take a photo. I didn't stand still for long, just a normal photo. Turned out to be quite nice. This is a 2M photo, not 3M.
Image

 

[saisallo]

Windows Mobile device have traditionally had mediocre camera at best. If you wanted a dynamic camera on a mobile device, you should consider a Nokia N95.

yes n95 is much better for photo but you must pay for navigate ..........

accc....