Prime Keyboard - I useful tip; several "Concerns"

Blairware

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Since the Keyboard Dock is the major difference between the Prime and ALL other tablets (there are keyboards out there, and there are docks out there, but other than the Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet (Nice! Still a Tegra 2 Device though) there's no other tablets offering the slick KB/Battery/Dock combination that looks and works like this.

Ahh, my first slip. The "works" comment needs to be examined. How many of you find navigating with the keyboard a bit inconsistent, sometimes difficult, and see the cursor move to the top left (to the first cursor position in the block) when typing in web text boxes - like when replying on XDA forums.

I know to turn off the touchpad using the hardware toggle top row 4th key from left. That does not change the cursor jump thing however. I have checked and tried to determine if I am inadvertently striking a key, or even touching the screen perhaps, but I do not see that being the case

Additionally selecting, cutting, copying, pasting are all inconsistent at best, and non functional in some scenarios. Example: I select some text by touching the screen on the text, then dragging slightly right or left. This will generally work, the text gets highlighted, and 2 drag points are provided. Using these, I define what the start and end points are, and select copy for example. Great, then I select an insertion point via tap and hold a second. A "Paste" button pops up by my finger, and tap that. GREAT! I just completed copy paste 101! Now, I go to do it again. Not so good. I try to select text, but all I can get is an insertion point for pasting, and no matter what I try, that's all I can do.

I realize this smacks of user error, and I am perfectly willing to admit I am possibly being a retard. If that's the case, can someone tell me how to clear the mode, and be able to select text again? I have tried what would make sense on a PC; hitting escape when it is trying to paste instead of selecting. NG.

What truly puzzles me (more than the right click = "back" bit of Android weirdness) is that I can select text like I am used to by holding shift, and using the cursor arrow keys to highlight any block of text, but once selected, STILL have to tap/hold to do anything with it. And even THAT seems limited to cut/copy or backspace to delete. Further, it is also subject to the "stuck in paste" mode I described above. I am not a touch typist, more of a "fast & furious" two finger guy, perhaps 50wpm, which is not bad but the limitation is I must look at the keyboard about 75% of the time. Then I look and see the errors, and fight with text select/cut/copy/paste all over again.

I am interested to see others take on the keyboard and these Asus/Android text issues. I would like to assemble a set of documentation that explains the behavior, the known issues and/or the workarounds or resolutions, a complete Keyboard Shortcut List (The one I attached is very good but far from perfect)

Finally here's a great tip: I am sure most have noticed the glaring absence of a true "Delete" key. All we have is a Backspace key, which is good HALF of the time, LOL. When you need to delete text to the RIGHT of the cursor you are SOL. TIP: Try this: SHIFT + BACKSPACE = DELETE

I just searched on this, knowing that I am not likely to be the first to discover this (I am not, Tips show up of OG Transformer.) Anyway, I am at least passing on the discovery for others to benefit. Also, don't forget to change the software keyboard to ASUS when using the dock KB.
 

seeknom

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I haven't used my dock much, but the other day while writing an email, the cursor jumped as you described. I thought I'd just brushed up against the touchpad, so I disabled it, finished writing my email and sent it.

I was assuming that was what the issue had been, and I haven't really used the dock since, so I haven't had a chance to see the problem happen again... I would suspect that if the cursor still jumps for you there's some sort of bug though (and I will still see the cursor jump as well.)

I'll play around with it and report my findings.
 

mikevipe

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I have found as you mentioned if you do not disable the mouse pad you will be plagued with typing issues. I noticed that when the touchpad is on if my wrists hit the aluminum within a 1/8th of an inch of the touchpad it still caused the issues but with the touch screen I have 0 use for the mouse so its always disabled.

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jh120

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Also, don't forget to change the software keyboard to ASUS when using the dock KB.
I was curious about this warning when I first plugged in my dock. What exactly is the difference? I've had my KB set to Thumb Keyboard the whole time and haven't noticed any problems. What's to be gained from using ASUS?
 

seeknom

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I'm curious too... to be honest I'm not sure what mine is set to, but it's whatever it defaulted to (I haven't checked it or changed it.)

By the way, I tested my dock with the touchpad disabled, and experienced no jumping cursors. I wrote quite a lenthgy, babbling test email to myself, and everything went totally as it should.


I was curious about this warning when I first plugged in my dock. What exactly is the difference? I've had my KB set to Thumb Keyboard the whole time and haven't noticed any problems. What's to be gained from using ASUS?
 

slugbug2010

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I think I understand what you are explaining and what our frustrations are. And most of them are with the select/copy/paste function. Please be aware that this function changes depending on where you are/what program/app you are using. It is not always the dock's "fault". It's the same way if you were just using the tablet. I think the best example is if you are trying to cut/paste/select in an email (gmail, whatever) versus doing the same thing typing in a text or a polaris document or a google search item. Some apps and programs give you different functions (if I understand it correctly) - I say this because I see this difference on my phone, not just with the Prime and dock. Not with everything, but with many things.

Does that make sense? I get frustrated with it too because it is inconsistent.

One thing that HAS driven me mad is caps lock!! ever notice it get stuck on? Shift, caps lock, shift, escape....I can't get it unlocked until I just randomly peck away at each and it stops
 

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I don't have any of these issues and I never disable the track pad, I love this keyboard its perfect for note taking in class and emails. As for the copy/paste I haven't tried that too much yet, its easy enough to select text.

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Mr Zulu

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I was curious about this warning when I first plugged in my dock. What exactly is the difference? I've had my KB set to Thumb Keyboard the whole time and haven't noticed any problems. What's to be gained from using ASUS?
I originally would leave the keyboard set to the swift keyboard with the dock attached thinking it just worked the same but I eventually noticed errors. Seems to be program specific in that these errors could be repeated in certain programs and not others. Been a while now since I gave up using swift with the dock so I don't remember specifics but it was something like it worked just fine for most programs but in one program the T button would produce the wrong letter but everything else was fine or in another program the I button would not produce any letter but the rest of the keyboard would work. When using splashtop on for my desktop it was even more erratic where individual programs on the computer would react differently to the keyboard input and some in a very severe way. I thought it was an issue with splashtop until I switched to Asus keyboard with the dock and all the aforementioned problems went away... and then I learned that many keyboard shortcuts work with Asus keyboard like a regular computer so I just make sure and make the switch when I connect to the dock.

Oh, and I have to disable the touchpad. Mouse pointer and input jumps all over the place if I type with a that enabled.
 

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clouds5

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That jumping to the first line is the only thing that annoys me sometimes. Everything else is perfect. We are all used to operate a windows machine with our keyboards. So this is a slightly different experience.
I found it works best if embrace the touchscreen even with dock attached. We are all still learning how to use our primes the most efficient way.
 

Techie2012

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I have the Backspace key stop working quite often. Sometimes it starts working again after i press "Shift" (regardless of caps lock being on or off). Does this happen to anyone else?
 

costcutter

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If your having problems copying, tap where you want to begin a copy, hold shift and press a cursor key in the direction you want to copy, then ctrl + c, ctrl + v.

You can also use home and end to copy large amounts of text.
 

lexen_

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Well, I use my Prime at the uni, at mostly with the dock (much much much faster to write stuff). I find it perfect, honestly! Very useful and comfortable (ok, the first day is was kind of strange, but with training everything is alright).:cool:
 

wynand32

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The standard ctrl-c (copy), ctrl-x (cut), and ctrl-v (paste) shortcuts work on highlighted text. So, that avoids the need to long-press the selected text to act on it.
 

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The standard ctrl-c (copy), ctrl-x (cut), and ctrl-v (paste) shortcuts work on highlighted text. So, that avoids the need to long-press the selected text to act on it.
This ^^^

I never use the screen for copy/paste, I've always hated trying to select very specific text with touchscreens.

And I have not noticed this fail to work in any of my apps.



Now if only we could get some ctrl+z and ctrl+y (undo/redo) in Android altogether. Especially because I also do notice the cursor jump at times when my track-pad is most definitely off, and I get tired of actually having to remember what the hell was flowing from my head to my fingers a couple of seconds ago ;)
 

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Didn't want to start a new thread or anything, and this is the first one on keyboards I've seen for 4 pages so here it is lol

A screw has promptly left its place in the dock. I haven't noticed the dock itself start to pull apart or anything, I generally still hold it by the screen or right underneath the hinge, but this sucks haha I Don't know how I could tighten it back in myself (don't have any drivers that're going to work that angle) and certainly don't want to go shipping it off.

But just so it's out there, so people know to watch out and not lose the screw. I was having trouble docking, so I looked and there it was :mad:

 

Johnny0906

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Try this, move cursor to any text on a webpage or something and touch the mouse pad with you 2 fingers at the same time, takes a second and you can open a new background tab or whatever :)

Its good if you wanna open a something in a new page but dont want to press the buttons every time.
 

buxtahuda

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Try this, move cursor to any text on a webpage or something and touch the mouse pad with you 2 fingers at the same time, takes a second and you can open a new background tab or whatever :)

Its good if you wanna open a something in a new page but dont want to press the buttons every time.
Holy crap! That's why new tabs keep magically popping up on me! :D

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