[Q&A] No Root? Why? What do you miss about root? Let's find workarounds!

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Joody J

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Hi My dears ,,
I am wondering About the CF-Root For note 4 [N910C] 6.0.1
the file of root for for N910C MMB29K.N910CXXU2DPCB ( as written in CF-Root page)
So does it work for N910C MMB29K.N910CXXS2DBG1 ??
or it doesnt matter !!??!!
 

DevanirNF

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I've given up root on my Note 4 because of Pokémon Go (yeah, I know it's a lame reason). I was using a Note 7 ported rom (DN5 0.61) and went full stock. Lost my root apps, Xposed modules, rom themes. I'm no expert but I'd like to contribute to this thread.

Good Lock - this was the 1st thing I've installed. I really hate Samsung colors! Why the hell the stock theme is so damn WHITE? For "Super AMOLED energy saving" reasons I set up a very dark theme on Samsung Good Lock. Unfortunately Note 4 is not fully compatible and fingerprint scanner and password lockscreen don't work properly. PIN and pattern work well

Helium Backup - although it's interface is nothing compared to Titanium Backup the app DOES work! It did fail to backup 1/3 of my apps but the ones with vital data were backed up successfully. I really should have hit "restore" button just for testing before resetting the phone.

Seven AdClear - it uses VPN to filter ads. I have some privacy concerns about this but I really hate ads. Usually I buy the apps to remove the adds but some don't have a adfree version.

Notifications decluttering - since I lost Xposed modules, I can't anymore hide notifications without the app being killed by the system. Good Lock does a nice job here because we can create folders to organize notifications. It's not the same but I got fond of my "Hidden notifications" folder
Battery Percentage on battery icon - Without Xposed I have to use android4batpercent again. It writes battery percentage on the battery icon. It's tiny.
Forced landscape, reverse portrait etc - Orientation Control let me have more options than stock auto rotate button
Deeper battery analysis - I've been using GSam Battery control to do that
Network Monitor Mini Pro - another Xposed module replaced by an app :(

Package Disabler - remove rom trash
 

Mico1984

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hey guys! i know this is not the right board..a quick question though..is there a working twrp recovery for N910S variant?..i've tried flashing version 2.8 but no luck..
 

jafferkhan

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Can anyone suggest an auto brightness app that actually works? Lux doesn't work, at night the stock brightness is too bright and hurts my eyes
Using G910V stock unrooted sadly
 

Daniel RR

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Can anyone suggest an auto brightness app that actually works? Lux doesn't work, at night the stock brightness is too bright and hurts my eyes
Using G910V stock unrooted sadly

Having the same problem, personally I find very "crappy" so i disable "auto" all the time, during night i am turning the brightness at lowest setting (allmost).. It's very annoying because some manufacturers have a proper smooth auto brightness but Samsung no, it's like a wallswitch killing your eyes
 

jafferkhan

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Having the same problem, personally I find very "crappy" so i disable "auto" all the time, during night i am turning the brightness at lowest setting (allmost).. It's very annoying because some manufacturers have a proper smooth auto brightness but Samsung no, it's like a wallswitch killing your eyes

Lux works okay but due to screen overlays I cannot install anything more
 

Cid6.7

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Lux works okay but due to screen overlays I cannot install anything more
I had this problem and it drove me insane for a frkn week. It was this thing that esfilexplorer enabled all on its own. For me it wasn't visible until you swiped up from the bottom right corner. It popped up and lets you choose different options.
 

Popche

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I decided not to root my s7 edge and everything is going fine. I'm using greenify (with adb permissions enabled), auto start, flud, Firefox nightly with ad block and useful add-ons, no root firewall, hola fake location, klwp pro, orbot&orfox, root booster (yeah without root), sesame shortcuts, systemui tuner(again with adb perm.) twilight and Nova prime.
I still miss lucky patcher though
 

widowmaker17

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Thanks for this thread! My 910V is the first smart phone I havent rooted. I only root to get rid of bloatware etc... any way. With Samsung Package Disabler and non-root Greenify, I am more than happy with my phone now, and have no need to root it. Thanks for the list, as a full backup is the only thing I am missing now that I am not rooted. I used to make full Nandroid backups before, and never had one fail.
 

martyh1

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Just bought a TMobile note 4 after owning and selling one quite a while back. Won't go into reasons why. I can see all the advantages of the note 4. Anyway,

Haven't rooted yet. And this is after a long history of rooting and loading various ROMs on different devices. And even building a ROM myself. There's sort of an addiction in seeing what can be better than what you are currently running like the stock 6.01 I'm running now. But, wow, what a time waster/killer. Back on topic, one of the usual reasons I root and load a custom ROM is for speed as long as it's VERY stable. I will consider lineage OS. It was amazing on my note 2 that I still have. But inevitably, problems always creep up and kill more of my time. Everyone always thinks there is some deal killer for having to load a custom ROM or for rooting. Step back a sec and realize we don't even have to have a mobile phone to exist. It's insane.

All that said, there's not much I read anymore that makes me think I need to root or need a custom ROM. Most of the time, I simply need something very fast, very appropriate for the task at hand. With stock or close to stock Android, usually, I get that, but, yes, "boring" creeps in. And I consider stock Samsung again on a device that has an spen. The modified Samsung stock ROMs can be really nice, adding features from newer devices but always end up with problems that kill my time.

As a side note, I usually consider the fact that I'll lose the thumbprint Android pay feature if I root but the thumbprint really kinda sucks on the note 4 for me. I can barely get it to work. So that's not a reason really for me not to root.
 
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bat0nas

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You are so right about the rooting and custom roms (or better say about not rooting).

I'm considering installing stock (currently erobot) for the same reaaons: stability, performance, battery. Of course I need root for tibackup, maybe greenify etc. But this doesn't hurt performance or battery.







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widowmaker17

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I can't live without root.
For the firewall..

Why on earth any computer is even sold today without a solid firewall is beyond me..

And yes a smart phone is a computer.

Yes, a smart phone is a computer. But there are still a lot of people out there, who use their phone as a phone, and do not put it at risk like so many others, and have no need for a firewall. Ive never had one, never had a need for one. Plus, how often as Linux touted as "no need for a firewall, due to its design". While it didnt hurt to have one, it wasnt needed. The truth is, a very high percentage of people, have no need for a fire wall.

As far as needing root/... in the older days before Android got smarter, it was nice to root to get want of unwanted bloatware. Now, since Android is better, battery life is better.... between Greenify and PDP I take care of apps I dont want...... I have no need for root, and the risk that comes with it. My Verizon Note 4 I use currently, is the first phone in ages I havent rooted, and I like it that way. I havent wasted a single minute trying to root my phone, that I could have spent doing more productive things :)
 
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trinilu27

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Yes, a smart phone is a computer. But there are still a lot of people out there, who use their phone as a phone, and do not put it at risk like so many others, and have no need for a firewall. Ive never had one, never had a need for one. Plus, how often as Linux touted as "no need for a firewall, due to its design". While it didnt hurt to have one, it wasnt needed. The truth is, a very high percentage of people, have no need for a fire wall.

As far as needing root/... in the older days before Android got smarter, it was nice to root to get want of unwanted bloatware. Now, since Android is better, battery life is better.... between Greenify and PDP I take care of apps I dont want...... I have no need for root, and the risk that comes with it. My Verizon Note 4 I use currently, is the first phone in ages I havent rooted, and I like it that way. I havent wasted a single minute trying to root my phone, that I could have spent doing more productive things :)




For some of us root means a lot more then removing blot whare.... some people rather be the owner of the phone instead of just the user of the phone
 

MILJANN

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The only issue that I have is any call recorder works like a crap because I can barely hear other side speaking when I listen what is recorded.... I rooted my phone but still no use.. I've tried couple tricks but i was not successful.

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
 

rayzoredge

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No good root for the Samsung Note 8

I decided not to root mostly because

a) There's no good stable root for the Note 8.
b) I wasted a TON of time trying to get it to work, and then a ton of time trying to get it back to stock... instead of actually using my new phone.
c) Google is constantly improving Android. I noticed in past revisions that you can block app permissions now, which was a main draw for me.

I've pretty much replaced granular control with App Ops and AFWall+ with the built-in permissions control in Android and NoRoot Firewall. I'm still playing around with the phone but learning an issue that NoRoot Firewall has: I can't find the darn process/app that I have to allow for Google Photos to sync and for Gmail to check for email in the background. I've turned it off and walla! I got email and photos began to sync again. I turned it back on and tried to allow just about EVERY app on WiFi and it would not sync photos at all... I guess I can live with flipping the VPN on and off from time to time. (If anyone has suggestions, let me know... I may check out NetGuard later.)

Other than that, it's been a few days since I've owned the phone (two of which I spent on trying to root and then recovering). Unless you want to flash a new fancy ROM, I don't have enough of a draw for myself to root anymore (unless it's easy to do).
 
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    ROUNDUP OF NON-ROOT MODS/APPS/SOLUTIONS


    APPS

    1. iFont
    It uses the native Flipfont system present in the Note to change fonts. You can install any font from a very big list and if you buy the Donate version (which I highly recommend), you can make an installable apk for any font you want. I have already made and shared Roboto L fonts, Comic Sans and Comic Neue.

    2. Adblock Plus
    Works on WiFi and (if APN settings are edited) on mobile data, blocks apps on browsers and other apps. An excellent solution for ad-blocking on non-routed phones.
    2b. An alternative solution that only works for browsing via WiFi networks is Adguard.

    3. SMS Backup & Restore
    A free app that can backup and restore your messages, no root required. Works flawlessly, I used to it to backup my SMS on my S4 and restore them to my Note 4.

    4. Greenify
    As mentioned in this thread, Greenify works without root as well. Automatic hibernation is even an option, albeit some issues with "talking calculator" have been mentioned.

    5. My Backup
    As mentioned here this app is a feature-rich backup solution for non-rooted phones.

    6. SD Maid - System Cleaning Tool
    This app attempts to make best possible use of its features without root present. It's a tool that cleans up unnecessary files from your phone that apps leave behind.

    7. AutoStart - No root
    As the name suggests, this app lets you select which applications you want to auto start after phone boot-up and it works on all phones/tablets without root permission. You can also choose one or multiple apps to auto-launch at boot with customisable delay values.

    8. Busybox (No Root)
    For advanced users who want to run busybox commands on their phones via the Android Terminal Emulator app.

    9. Call Recorder
    Call recording app that uses the Samsung standard API therefore does not require root access. It is a bit pricey but well worth the money for people who need that feature. There's a full-featured trial available from XDA so you can try before you buy.
    9b. There is also a free alternative that has been reported to work well on the Note 4, AndroRec Free.
    9c. Another great free alternative is Automatic Call Recorder, with the added bonus that it can record in better formats, like mp3 or wav, save on the SD card and the option for prompt to "Save or Delete" at the end of every call.

    10. NoRoot Firewall
    Firewall without root. Host name/domain name filtering, simple interface, fine-grained access control and no suspicious permissions on the app itself.

    11. Better Wifi On/Off
    A free, fully featured, ad-supported app that aims at giving you the control of the Wifi state, optimizing your battery life without losing on user experience. In theory, Wifi is less power hungry than 3G but some apps behave differently when Wifi is on (DropBox / Google+ uploads, Google Maps location caching) and the well known wlan_rx kernel wakelock is a symptom of wakeups caused by uncontrolled Wifi hotspots. The Wifi sleep policy is not working consistently and does not solve all the above problems, enter this app.

    12. Helium - App Sync and Backup
    Helium is the missing app sync and backup solution for Android and doe not require root. You can backup both your apps and their data to your SD card or cloud storage and sync them from your other Android devices. You need access to a computer for a brief USB connection and then you're good to go.

    13. Desktop VisualizeR
    Application that allows you to personalize your home screen by creating icons or widgets with your favorite photos or images, works on any launcher, even TW!

    14. FREE screen recorder NO ROOT
    Recordable is the easy way to create screen recordings without root. The free version adds a watermark on the recordings and limits frame rate to 8fps, but is otherwise fully functional. A Windows, Mac or Linux computer required to complete the installation (like with Helium Backup), but after this it's not needed to make screen recordings.


    MODIFICATIONS

    1. Full Screen Immersive Mode
    Full screen immersive mode in any application or game, root is not required.

    2.Enable AirView and AirGesture
    2b. Instead of Nova Launcher, you can use the QuickShortcutMaker app to create any shortcut directly on the Touchwiz launcher.

    3. MW-Pen App Enabler
    This app that enables apps for multiwindow and/or pen window without rooted access. The only limitations are that it does not work for system apps and that enabled apps can not be updated. To update them, you need to uninstall the enabled app first, install the updated app and run it through the enabler app again.

    4. Mont Blanc digital content
    A guide on how to get the extra Mont blanc pens for the S Note and the two exclusive Mont Blanc wallpapers and unlock effect..

    5. QuickClick
    Start any action (flashlight, system toggles, media controls, etc) with a sequence of volume buttons clicks.

    6. Spen Toolbox
    A wonderful little app that extends the functionality of the S-Pen, by offering options for: turning the screen off when you attach the pen, changing the detach and attach sounds, creating a custom shortcut popup to appear on detach, and many more!

    7. No root and want to modify your DPI? You can!
    Thanks to PizzaSauce, we have a way to modify DPI without root. All you need is access to a Windows PC. Changes persist after reboot too.
    If you don't want to install the whole Android SDK, you could use this tool to install ADB, which is all that is needed for this mod.



    Hello all!

    I recently got my Note 4 and it's by far the best device I've ever owned. :)
    I started this thread because I decided not to root the phone -at least for now. Even though, I've been rooting and heavily modding all my phones in the past.
    My reasons are:
    1. Warranty.
    I know that you can flash a stock firmware before handing it to service and that KNOX counter doesn't matter (I've had my Note 10.1 with a tripped counter repaired twice under warranty). However, I'd like for once to be able to just send my phone to service if need be, without the extra hassle of concealing the tweaking I've done.
    2. S-Pen.
    I know that rooting doesn't affect the S-Pen functionality, however, the use of the Pen makes custom ROMS such as AOSP and CM useless to me. I actually use the S-Pen heavily and it was one of the reasons I bought the phone. There are of course custom TW ROMS but to be honest, and with no intention to offend anyone, they are not my cup of tea.
    3. Stability.
    This one will seem weird to many, but it's my personal experience. This is the 4th Samsung device I own (SGS3, SGS4, Note 10.1, Note 4) and with the previous three I noticed that when I rooted and enthusiastically started "debloating", things started to turn unstable. And I have never, ever noticed any improvement in battery life. I know it sounds odd, but it is true to me. The Note 4 gives you the option to disable a lot of preinstalled apps anyway.
    4. Lollipop.
    I want to get the update that was meant for my region via OTA, no cables necessary. Plus I believe that all the annoyances I rectified with root (mainly theming, such as Tinted Statusbar) will be solved in Lollipop. Again, that's my opinion and personal taste.

    Now do I miss root? Hell, yeah! Why?
    1. ADS ADS ADS...
    Ads everywhere! I have been paying for my apps and I am not using pirated software at all. And I gladly donate/pay for ads to be removed and premium features for apps I really love. However, there are apps that either don't offer an a ad-free option or they charge an insane amount for ad removal. I know developers need to make revenue, but there's nothing uglier than an ad banner. Seriously.
    2. Tinted statusbar.
    And generally Xposed.
    3. Call recording.
    I liked the native call recording function of the TW dialer, no app comes close from what I've seen.


    I hope this thread will be used to discuss unrooted phones and ways to mod your device without root.
    Kindly keep in mind that this is not a thread to persuade anyone to root or not -please respect other people's decisions.
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    MontBlanc Digital Content Tutorial

    MontBlanc Digital Content Tutorial

    Hello all! I decided to make this small tutorial for the Mont Blanc digital content that we can now get without buying the Montblanc case or pen.
    (The OP also links to this post now.)

    Installing the app is pretty straightforward, just download it from this post and install as you would any apk.

    After installation, you will not see a new app on your app drawer, so don't go looking for it. :p

    Firstly, you will have two new wallpapers in the default wallpaper chooser, accessible via long-pressing the menu key while on your homescreen > Wallpapers. Secondly, you will have an "Ink in water" unlock effect, found in Settings > Lockscreen > Unlock effect (provided that Swipe has been selected as screen lock).

    As far as S-Note goes, any existing notebooks you've made will continue to use the same template you chose the first time and the pen toolbox will remain unchanged. This is where a lot of people get confused, thinking that something went wrong because they can't see the new pens. You have to create a new notebook. Once you do that, you will see that the regular pens have been replaced with Mont Blanc ones and the page background has a Mont Blanc logo watermark on it. Enjoy! Now every notebook you create will have the same page template and available pens, as well as a black leather image as cover.

    But how do you go back to default S-Note templates, covers and pens?
    You don't need to uninstall the Mont Blanc app. Simply drag the menu on the left from the S-Note main screen, select More features > Montblanc and untick Set Montblanc as default note. Now all your new notebooks will use the same ol' settings.
    What I've done is I've created a Montblanc notebook, then turned the option off. Now I can create notebooks with any template I want and I still have one with all the extra features, just because it looks cool.

    But what if you still want to uninstall the app?
    From the same menu as above, choose Go to download screen. It will get you to Samsung Apps where you'll see the option to completely uninstall.

    That's it! I hope it solves questions and issues regarding the extra features.

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    I assume you already know this and I usually leave this to others but still has to be said:

    You have come to a "modification and development" site basically for "rooters and modders" and are pitching why you shouldn't root and all the lovely "work-a-rounds" to do so.

    This is stuff better suited elsewhere but to each their own I guess.. We surprisingly see enough of it here already I suppose.

    I never mind the debate though!

    Seeing as I've been a part of the moderating team, yes, I am very well aware of the nature of the website. Looking at my thanks meter, you may even say that I also know very well how to help and give back to the community.

    I wonder whether you know that this website started as a place for developers to discuss and publish their work, hence the name xda-developers. However, here we are, you and me along with millions of users who do not produce any development work. We talk about screen protectors, cases, upcoming updates, how much our battery lasts, what colour is our phone, which network operator is the best and so on and so forth.
    See the paradox already?

    I couldn't possibly assess your reading comprehension level, but, I won't lie to you, I am a little concerned. I never wrote anything that even remotely implies that this thread is a crusade against root. Taken directly from the OP:
    Kindly keep in mind that this is not a thread to persuade anyone to root or not -please respect other people's decisions.
    It's meant for people who already made the decision not to, providing them with solutions and workarounds. And yes, they are lovely! And they are apps and mods that developers created. Hence, completely appropriate for a place like this.
    Furthermore, apart from people who do not want to root, there are also people who just cannot (locked bootloaders, for example).
    Bottom line is, the thread is way more useful and appropriate than all of the threads you have started here combined.

    On top of all that, this is a civil, informative and free from off topic posts (apart from yours) thread and I would like it to remain this way. Because, for a change, people may actually find helpful advice and suggestions. Which is why it has 8000+ views already and a lot of people are following and contributing to it.

    I don't know why you suddenly decided to quote the OP, without even reading it carefully enough to understand the purpose of it, and make a comment like that. But please, do us all a favour and follow this 'debate' quietly, since you "never mind it" and it only exists in your head anyway.
    Thank you.

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    With Lollipop already out for some variants and probably coming out soon for others, there are a lot of no-root tweaks that can be applied. I can't wait to discover them and update the OP! Well excited for this update! :)
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    On a slightly unrelated note, I find TW to be way more stable on the Note 4 than it was on my previous Samsung phones. I just realised that I got my phone about 11 days ago, turned it on and set it up and I haven't rebooted/had a random reboot ever since! And that's without rooting and meddling with the software at all. No slow down, no hiccups, everything runs as smoothly as it did on day 1. :)

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