[Q] Another Bootloop thread - battery logo, weird kernel, etc

NFGman

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I know, I know, another bootloop thread. I've been reading dozens of them and I can't find my problem, please forgive me.

My wife's phone was stolen, and so we bought a used one from a stranger after seeing a listing on a local sales site (gumtree). Bad call - they demo'd it for us, but we didn't power it off and on before buying. After parting with cash, we find the phone won't boot unless it's plugged in to AC power (and not USB). All it does is loop grey/green battery logos over and over. Sometimes vibrating, sometimes not, but it would never break the loop, except to enter download mode, unless I connected it to AC power.

If I did boot it, I couldn't do some stuff, like enable USB debugging - it flat out wouldn't allow me to check that box. So I checked the kernel, and it seemed to have a weird kernel installed, so I thought it was time to just re-flash with the official firmware.

Well, first I wanted to try SlimROM, but I couldn't get to CWM Recovery (which was already installed) reliably, and on the rare instance where I could get it to come up, I couldn't navigate to extSD where the slim files were, nor mount USB storage (the PC wouldn't recognize it).

So I decided to try and re-flash to stock, using ODIN and the official samsung FW that worked well on my own GS2. This worked, after a fashion - I could get it to boot if I applied AC power, but things were badly broken. It'd reboot a minute or two after the setup began, and so I was forced to suspect either hardware failure or something that survived a complete wipe and flash.

So I thought kernel. The only one I had lying around that I knew worked was an old jeboo kernel. I flashed it with ODIN, and presto - it worked! The thing booted and stayed stable.

But I still have that accursed battery loop when the phone's off, the battery needs to be yanked to keep it actually powered down. And there are other bugs, like the screen comes on after you turn it off with the power button. Just once, but now it can't be powered down and ignored - you turn the screen off and wait to see if it comes back on and do it again.

And it's confused about charging - this morning it reported the AC adaptor was a USB charger, and this evening it thinks both USB and the AC adaptor are both AC (in the battery info settings screen).

And the only way to get it to boot reliably now is to remove the battery and plug it back in, at which point it boots as normal.

So, after all that long winded four-hours-of-tears-and-anger story, my question is this: What's the battery boot loop all about? Why does the screen flicker constantly when it's charging via AC? Why does it take -twenty seconds- to recognize it has been plugged in to power?

I can't install CWM, it won't enter recovery or boot successfully (no loop, just hangs on the yellow triangle screen). Before I start randomly applying new ROMs via odin, I'd like to find out more about my problem.

Please, can anyone shed light on this? I thought I knew what I was doing but I'm coming up empty here.
 

MistahBungle

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Sounds like the USB board/port (tho it might be worse than that; this is what I'd replace first). Relatively cheap/easy to replace; but you do need to check which board is currently in the phone & ensure you get the exact same as a replacement - there's 4 different boards, get the wrong one & you won't fix the problem/waste time & money.

Search for similar threads, there have been detailed threads in Q&A over the past few mths, those threads should have the info you need.

There's also a chance it might be as simple as the battery on the fritz, if you're able, try another one.

But definitely sounds like the USB board (hopefully for you) to me
 
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NFGman

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Thanks for the suggestion. Certainly the flickering while charging issue and the delay to recognize the charger being plugged in point towards a USB board issue, but what I can't figure is the reluctance of the unit to boot without changing the kernel. Wouldn't the stock ROM via ODIN have included the stock kernel? Why does CWM cause the unit to lock up during boot?

Last night the thing stopped flickering on AC and recognized the charger cable instantly - is this a self-calibrating feature? (My research of a thousand similar threads seems to suggest a lot of battery issues correct themselves). For the record, the phone did come with a second 3rd-party battery, but neither it nor my own original GS2 battery make any difference.

So... Yeah, I'm still not sure if this is a hardware problem, software problem, or both.

Also last night I followed a suggestion from another thread and loaded up touchwiz, changed the screen timeout and switched back to apex launcher, and the screen started shutting off as desired. This morning it doesn't work anymore, and the phone is frequently found with the screen turned on. =/
 

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Ok so by flashing full stock rom that practically eliminates the software side of things. Now do what mistahbungle said. My money is also on the usb board. I had to replace mine recently. Click the link on my signature, from there you can get onto a guide by keithross39 on how to DIY if you choose.

Sent from a galaxy far, far away
 

Hopper8

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'practically eliminates' indeed. I still can't work out why I had to flash a new kernel to get it to boot. =/
Do you want help, or do you want to continue doing what you think will fix the problem? If you're having the same issues on full stock, it indicates hardware issue. The software won't work unless the hardware is functioning correctly. Let me think, what did MistahBungle say was the problem? Oh that's right. The USB board. Hardware.
 
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NFGman

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Oh, sorry, I thought we were having a conversation. Should I not talk until I get the replacement part? ;)

I'm not disagreeing, I'm fully prepared to accept the USB board is part or all of the problem, but I still wonder why etc etc.
 

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OK....so....firstly, flashing a standard single file firmware won't fully wipe the previous software.....all it does is overwrite what it needs to (leaving who knows what untouched). The easiest way to regain a 'clean slate' is to flash a 3 part test firmware which DOES complete a full wipe during the flash..... @Hopper8 s guide provides a link to this test firmware and full instructions as to how to install it.
Secondly.....hardware faults can/do cause unexpected operational issues......some of the issues you describe were appearing on my wife's S2 before I replaced the USB board on her phone (they disappeared afterwards). As @Hopper8 has mentioned, his guide includes a link to my guide concerning the replacement of this part. I personally would hold off doing any more Odin flashes until you have replaced the board......if the USB port fails during a flash (because of a faulty board) you'll end up in a 'whole world of hurt' that will be infinitely worse than it is now.......

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MistahBungle

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Given what you've already spent on it (cost of phone + replace USB board), if I were in your situaton, I'd be cutting my losses & put it down to experience rather than replacing the motherboard (with a 2nd hand board from a 'donor' phone), whilst that's nowhere near as expensive as paying a service centre to put a new board in, it's still likely to cost you >AUD$100. If you can get one for a lot cheaper than that, maybe it would be worthwhile.
 

NFGman

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By 'holder' do you mean the USB port, or the connection inside the phone between the USB board and main board?

It's not a physical problem, at least in the USB port... I mean, we put a new one in it and nothing changed.
 

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By 'holder' do you mean the USB port, or the connection inside the phone between the USB board and main board?

It's not a physical problem, at least in the USB port... I mean, we put a new one in it and nothing changed.
Ah the usb board had already been replaced? Okay then forget about my proposal, sorry.

Tapatalked from my Galaxy SII
 

MistahBungle

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So the next step is either a motheboard replacement or the bin.

I realise this isn't what you want to hear, but think logically about it...You bought a 2nd hand phone from someone you don't know/had no idea what they'd put the phone through before you bought it, it crapped itself shortly after, giving no indications whatsoever the problems are firmware/software related, and showing a number of symptoms which indicate something major is wrong hardware-wise.

You tried the cheap/obvious & that didn't work, one way or another you need to bite the bullet (both options involve you spending a not insignificant amount of money in all likelihood, unless you can score a donor phone cheap).
 

NFGman

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So the next step is either a motheboard replacement or the bin.
Way ahead of you. Ordered a new (NEW this time) phone. Will be selling the S2 to the next guy, along with the caveat "Sometimes the screen comes on." Will lose a few bucks, but it'll go into the old logbook of lessons well and truly learned. ^_^

Thanks for your help.
 
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