[Q] Honeystreak Help![Clockwork Recovery]

[azoller1]

got honeystreak rc 2.1 on my dell streak 7 and i have no clue how to get clockwork recovery on it with honeystreak, so when i get rom manager and flash clockwork it works, then i reboot into the original recovery then i choose software upadate.pkg then when i click it nothing happens it just has the dell logo then it just powers up like it normally would so i cant get clockwork i need help!!!

 

[keith.valdez]

CWM and Honeystreak are not compatible.

 

[papermate]

Same thing happened to me, the root was easy with gingerbreak, had root so I could run rom manager and flashed that to the clockwork recovery and backed up. Installed honeystreak using the nvflash and didnt like the instability of it so I wanted to go back but didnt realize the way back was another nvflash the breaks the device and then you have to recover from the cwm back up. I returned it at that point.

I've learned some more about nvflash since then, it seems its the official way they install the os's to the tegra devices. But without the official install files needed for your device, it has to be rigged. Which is why the honeystreak is unstable and the flash back to stock is broken and has to be recovered from a back up.

Windows, ubuntu are such easy installs compared to android. Everythings on a disc(that you can setup on a usb stick), there arent 14 or how ever many separate files you have to download(for the nvflash). And it just starts the install, you dont need separate program to install. They really made the process needlessly complicated for installing android.

I just find it hard to believe, non developers have to RELY on the hacker community to perform fresh(or not so fresh) installs because google/the middlemen dont provide installation media. Oh wait they provide the source code... which if your not a developer is no help to the uninitiated that just want a clean install, install newer versions.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16257823#post16257823

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018809&highlight=nvflash

 

[azoller1]

Same thing happened to me, the root was easy with gingerbreak, had root so I could run rom manager and flashed that to the clockwork recovery and backed up. Installed honeystreak using the nvflash and didnt like the instability of it so I wanted to go back but didnt realize the way back was another nvflash the breaks the device and then you have to recover from the cwm back up. I returned it at that point.

I've learned some more about nvflash since then, it seems its the official way they install the os's to the tegra devices. But without the official install files needed for your device, it has to be rigged. Which is why the honeystreak is unstable and the flash back to stock is broken and has to be recovered from a back up.

Windows, ubuntu are such easy installs compared to android. Everythings on a disc(that you can setup on a usb stick), there arent 14 or how ever many separate files you have to download(for the nvflash). And it just starts the install, you dont need separate program to install. They really made the process needlessly complicated for installing android.

I just find it hard to believe, non developers have to RELY on the hacker community to perform fresh(or not so fresh) installs because google/the middlemen dont provide installation media. Oh wait they provide the source code... which if your not a developer is no help to the uninitiated that just want a clean install, install newer versions.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16257823#post16257823

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018809&highlight=nvflash

so your saying its not possible to get cwm on honeystreak

 

[papermate]

so your saying its not possible to get cwm on honeystreak

Its possible to get cwm(the app) ON honeystreak. What doesnt work on honeystreak is the clockwork recovery boot up menu as you have noticed yourself. Dont ask me why, I dont know. And the only current "fix" for it is to nvflash to stock where the clockwork recovery boot up menu works.

I have an open question for anyone, does clockwork rom manager work properly on honeycomb and thereby make the problem isolated to honeystreak? Or does it not work properly on honeycomb at all.

 

[TheManii]

Honeystreak requires NVflash to install because it completely repartitions the nand.

nandroid depends on knowing ahead of time what the partition layout is, it's not gonna work if it'd different depending on what rom is installed.

If someone made a HC compatable clockwork it wouldnt be compatable with the stock rom either

 

[azoller1]

so when the official honeycomb comes out for the dell streak 7 will clockwork mod actually boot up correctly?

 

[papermate]

so when the official honeycomb comes out for the dell streak 7 will clockwork mod actually boot up correctly?

When clockwork rom manager is updated to work on HC it will work... thats what I understood from his post, considering the partition layout is different on HC from previous versions.

There needs to be a partition editor and usb/sd card install-able android media like with ubuntu/windows too do away with these crippled ways of doing this. This modern os cant even perform the basics of installation that desktop os's have performed for a decade?. Maybe when Ice cream source code comes out, this is exactly what someone will do. Til then this is ridiculous. They have so hamstrung the ability to control the os on your hardware. What good is open source software if they control how it gets on the hardware. This is not a methodology I would support.

I'll have to see how windows 8 is handled on arm hardware. Might be the only os you can install and update on your own without the hassle. Or I just wont buy any arm devices and stick to flip phones and laptops for mobility.

 

[TheManii]

When clockwork rom manager is updated to work on HC it will work... thats what I understood from his post, considering the partition layout is different on HC from previous versions.

There needs to be a partition editor and usb/sd card install-able android media like with ubuntu/windows too do away with these crippled ways of doing this. This modern os cant even perform the basics of installation that desktop os's have performed for a decade?. Maybe when Ice cream source code comes out, this is exactly what someone will do. Til then this is ridiculous. They have so hamstrung the ability to control the os on your hardware. What good is open source software if they control how it gets on the hardware. This is not a methodology I would support.

I'll have to see how windows 8 is handled on arm hardware. Might be the only os you can install and update on your own without the hassle. Or I just wont buy any arm devices and stick to flip phones and laptops for mobility.

The only reason the HC builds all require repartitioning is because they're based off system dumps form other devices. As the majority of the source isnt available the only way to get them to work is to make the device more closely resemble the donor rom device instead of making the rom more similar to the reciving device.

If/when HC lands it's either going to use the 2.2's partition map or require a pc to install that has a streamlined version of nvflash bundled. The only thing that would happen if users were able to manually repartition devices is seeing the rom completely break and require a un-repartitioning as android is hardcoded to take a specific partition layout, as device makers have the source they can change the hardcoded values.

Being able to repartition would be more akin to being able to shuffle around the layout of your pc's bios more then being able to repartition windows. There's no generic version of android (nexus devices might be considered generic, but nexus roms wouldnt boot on any other device anyway), it requires it to be ported to a specific device to work. you COULD play around with your bios to the point that you can shuffle stuff around but unless you had a good reason to there's no point.

 

[Z4nd4r]

Being Linux based, I would like to see Android loaded as modular as opposed to monolithic, and then the device manufacturers could simply release open source modules for their hardware. Of course, maybe this would slow things down for processing; but I'd really like a simple way to just port the OS on any device. This would be a great boon for the open source community.

 

[azoller1]

could it be pssible to port over clockwork from another device to this? or is the only way to flash it

 

[TheManii]

The original clockwork is a port, there would need to be 3 versions total to cover every rom:

2.2
3.1
3.2

as the HC roms are based off multiple device dumps and neither are compatable with eachother