[Q] questions about methods increasing internal memory

[Falk2]

Hi,

I have no practise yet with custom ROMs but anyway I think the following points (my goal: increase the internal memory) could interest most of Wildfire S users as this one is extremly small (118 MB ONLY!)...
Installation of a custom ROM for Data2SD is really useful...

May I summarize some facts first?...
Normally rooting of HTC works like that: unbranding (if necessary) by CID and GoldCard (whatever GC is) and clean Firmware, then rooting by “reflash_package.exe" (unrevoked3) and then inserting custom ROMs by ClockworkModeRecovery.
The device can stay in s-on mode here. (s. http://einsteinno1.de/htc-wildfire-custom-rom-tutorial/#custom)

Remark: There seems to be still another easier method to root a mobile phone instead of unrevoked3:
Team C-Skills: installation of a wrapper App around Gingerbreak exploit: 'Gingerbreak.apk'.
(s. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044765)

The problem e.g. with HTC's Gingerbread V.2.3 of S-models now is that the boot loader is locked (encrypted?). So here the boot loader cannot be modified by unrevoked3 (or Gingerbreak.apk) anymore. Now there must be done s.th. that the device does not boot with this boot loader anymore. This can only be done by setting it to s-off (disabling the HTC's security mechanisms), right?
And this can only be done by the xtc clip (~100€)! It is plugged to the SIM card contacts... What does it do in detail here? Does anybody know?...

However, after using it the device 'suddenly' is s-off and rooted.
After having used xtc clip custom ROMs can be installed like usual.
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Now I read that HTC announced to offer a 'boot loader unlock' software for all those models with encr. bl soon. So then xtc clip is not needed anymore, right?
(hope 'soon' does not mean another half year of waiting...)

However, if that lasts too long, is there anybody in south-west Germany who would lend me his xtc clip then?...

Before doing A2SD+ (or even much better Data2SD) it is necessary to create a second SD card partition with e.g. 'ROM Manager'.
But is there already a reliable Data2SD custom ROM for Wildfire S? Does anybody has practise with 'Everything Data2SD.zip' already?...

And then, as the whole processing now always passes the device's SD card interface: Did anybody notice any disadvantages with this mobile during Data2SD usage? (lower speed, bad stability, etc.)

Please correct me now if there is anything wrong in my description!

Now I have some further little questions:
1.) Can I rollback A2SD+ or Data2SD?
2.) Can I rollback S-off to S-on ? (getting back guarantee) Remark: Gingerbreak seems to offer an option for this
3.) What happens at an OTA upgrade? S-off or Data2SD keeps as it is?...
4.) Is there a way to do S-off just once (no temproot)?
5.) Where can I find a collection of custom ROMs?
5b) Can I add Bluetooth profiles by custom ROMs?
6.) Can I copy system apps from a rooted mobile (to run on a simular model)

I know, this is a lot. Hope that does not overload anybody... ;-)

Thank you for all your comments to it!

Many greetings.

 

[imlgl]

Yes you need a second partition which you can make in Rom manager to use the app2sd function.
At the moment there is zero roms available for the Wildfire S.
When I used the app2sd function on my original Wildfire I had no changes in stability etc. Just that when I restart the phone I had to wait a few minutes for the apps to be available

Now for you other questions:
1) I wouldn't know. I assume you can
2) No. You cannot make S-off back to S-on but I doubt anyone would check if you needed to send it off. And if they did just say it was S-off when it was bought and the warranty guidelines say nothing about it being voided if it was S-off
3) S-off Will stay and root etc will stay as the bootloader and security flag is unlocked.
4) No Need as S-off is permanent.
5) In this forum when they are made
5b) Wouldn't know until roms become available.
6) I think you can but it would depend if they would work and are compatible with the rom.

I hope I have helped you a bit

 

[Falk2]

thank you very much for answering!!

There are just some points left now...
1.) is all of it correct what I wrote/summarized in the beginning (before the line) of my last message?
2.) What do you say to the mentioned second rooting method of Team C-skill instead of unrevoked3? Does it really work as well?...
3.) Is it correct that xtc clip is not necessary if bootloader is unlocked?
3b) Do you think from what you have heard of HTC and the past activities of them in general that HTC will release this announced software (soon)?...
4.) What does xtc clip do in detail?
5.) Do you know about the progress of custom ROM development? And which of them are currently under development?
6.) I have read that bootloader of model Wildfire (without S) is encrypted as well. So how is it possible that there are already easy solutions to root it (without xtc clip)?
7.) My question 5b was ment generally: is it generally possible to add Bluetooth profiles by custom ROMs?
8.) Have you heard that HTC intends to release a Wildfire S+ version with increased internal memory? Could we expect it maybe?...

Thank you so much again. Hope youknow about the answer to my further questions...

Best wishes

 

[imlgl]

1) Yes it is
2) There is no other method. I used gingerbreak to root mine. Took about 2 mins maximum. Unrevoked is not needed or the other method you mentioned. Also AlphareX is now in public beta so you could make your S-off by using that software but you need to be running Linux.
3)Yes if your phone is already S-off the clip is not needed
3b) I expect it will be shortly after the sensation release as they are making software to unlock the bootloader
4) It unlocks the bootloader by turning off the security flag allowing you to have full control over the phone.
5) I don't know of any progress, as its a new phone not many devs will have had a chance to get it.
6)This is because the bootloader is lower. 2.1 was able to be rooted using unrevoked but if you updated OTA to 2.2 the bootloader became encrypted and you would need the xtc clip to root it.
7)I wouldn't know for sure unless I had access to custom roms.
8)No I have never heard of a Wildfire S+ I don't think there will be one.

 

[Falk2]

Hallo,

so these are my final responses to you:
1.) Where can we get Data2SD custom ROMs? There is no extra place at XDA-developers...
1b) I suppose that a custom ROM can be - dependant from its function - dependant just from the Android version, even phone model specific or completely independant from both, right?
How is it with Data2SD?... (s. brutzelstube.de/2011/data2sd-installieren-die-losung-aller-speicherprobleme: no dependancy is specified!)
2.) To 2, repeated again to make it really clear: you can use either Gingerbreak (Win), AlphareX (Linux) or unrevoked3 (Win) up to HTC's Android 2.1. for rooting. There is no difference in result between them... For >= Vers. 2.2: if boot loader is unlocked you just cannot use unrevoked3, but AlphareX and Gingerbreak. If boot loader is locked here you can only us xtc clip instead. Correct?
3.) To 3: you misunderstood my question. I didn't talk about S-off but about locked boot loader. I supposed that xtc clip is necessary ONLY if the boot loader is locked. Otherwise rooting can also be done with S-on. Correct?
4.) To 4: that is what I knew already. No, I was just asking myself HOW xtc clip can unlock a boot loader. It seems to be plugged to the SIM contacts for that... If you know more about the meachnism it would be fine but this question is not so important anyway. Just interest.
5.) To 5: Means that it will last about half a year until Data2SD custom ROM will be available (for Gingerbread or Wildfire S)? I just would like to have an idea...
On the other hand aren't there already plenty of Data2SD custom ROMs as those seem to be independant from Android version or phone model (s. 1b)!?...
6.) To 7: so there really never was any custom ROM adding a Bluetooth profile yet??...

Sorry, that I still did not come to an end asking you... ;-)
Hope, this is the last time now.

Anyway I now decided to wait until the release of Sony-Ericsson Xperia Mini as it is available in July already. This model is even more compact and internal storage shall be 320 MB. So Data2SD might not be necessary here. But if I like this one as well, I will see...

Many greetings to you.

 

[Falk2]

Reminder

Hallo community, hallo Imlgl,

is there really nobody being able to answer my last questions below?...
Would be really very nice.

Thank you so much!