Question about Mugen Battery 1500mah

[GuestK007]

This fight never seems to end. so many threads about it too. Be funny if all the fighting of mugen vs htc, if mugen actually is who is making batteries for htc with htc branding. lol

 

[dmitryu]

Interesting -- I'm getting around 1220-1240 mAh +-10% (ie, with full charge cycles) according to the battery monitor widget with Mugen battery. The stock one was showing around 1100 mAh (after about a year of use). So Mugen is still better, but not quite 1500 mAh, at least provided the battery monitor pro is calibrated ok.


Sent from my HTC Desire HD A9191 using XDA

 

[Hunt3r.j2]

1 battery doesn't prove anything.
No, it uses historical data (logs) to measure the battery. It doesn't think, it measures.
Please provide a link or anything else for such statements.

Yes, and the data based on logs is at the bottom, which is why it also gives a large percentage error because it's not sure based upon your data. If you drain your battery to 10% or less on a regular basis, the percentage error drops as it is more capable of guessing how much mAh is really in the battery.

No. This is how the app works: This value (1214 mAh) was measured by not draining the battery completely anymore. If I don't drain the pack to 0%, the app cannot measure all the capacity. Simple logic.


No, the battery was measured all the way from 100% to 0%, and that's what came out after several complete cycles. The log is accessible inside the program.
How should it claim another value?

How should it claim another value? Because it is capable of doing math, that's why. It can extrapolate how much battery you have based upon the amount mA it calculates that is drained for every percent drop. If I tell you that there is a pattern of 2, 4, 6, 8, does this mean that it is completely beyond human comprehension to say that the next number is 10?

Please prove that statement.
HTC Desire HD is a supported device
http://www.3c71.com/android/?q=node/102

It is, and it is showing you that you've been duped by Mugen. Sorry to say, but you got burned. If you paid more than OEM, I'm sorry that it happened, but this is just how it is.

That is just your opinion.

No, that is how you accurately test the battery capacity with precision. You charge it to full capacity, then pull a steady current until it runs out. You multiply the current drain by the amount of time it took to drain to get mAh. This is science, it works whether you want it to or not.


The laws of physics are inescapable. This is how things are. I would love to have a magical battery that has more capacity in the same space.

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Interesting -- I'm getting around 1220-1240 mAh +-10% (ie, with full charge cycles) according to the battery monitor widget with Mugen battery. The stock one was showing around 1100 mAh (after about a year of use). So Mugen is still better, but not quite 1500 mAh, at least provided the battery monitor pro is calibrated ok.


Sent from my HTC Desire HD A9191 using XDA

Stock was probably just because a year of usage dropped it. New batteries (both OEM and Mugen 1500 mAh) will have about a max of 1300 mAh and a minimum of 1230 mAh tested at the factory.

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This fight never seems to end. so many threads about it too. Be funny if all the fighting of mugen vs htc, if mugen actually is who is making batteries for htc with htc branding. lol

Maybe the same supplier, but I would rather take HTC genuine OEMs over ones from a company that doesn't give true capacities.

 

[matthew33]

Yes, and the data based on logs is at the bottom, which is why it also gives a large percentage error because it's not sure based upon your data. If you drain your battery to 10% or less on a regular basis, the percentage error drops as it is more capable of guessing how much mAh is really in the battery.


How should it claim another value? Because it is capable of doing math, that's why. It can extrapolate how much battery you have based upon the amount mA it calculates that is drained for every percent drop. If I tell you that there is a pattern of 2, 4, 6, 8, does this mean that it is completely beyond human comprehension to say that the next number is 10?


It is, and it is showing you that you've been duped by Mugen. Sorry to say, but you got burned. If you paid more than OEM, I'm sorry that it happened, but this is just how it is.


No, that is how you accurately test the battery capacity with precision. You charge it to full capacity, then pull a steady current until it runs out. You multiply the current drain by the amount of time it took to drain to get mAh. This is science, it works whether you want it to or not.


The laws of physics are inescapable. This is how things are. I would love to have a magical battery that has more capacity in the same space.

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Stock was probably just because a year of usage dropped it. New batteries (both OEM and Mugen 1500 mAh) will have about a max of 1300 mAh and a minimum of 1230 mAh tested at the factory.

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Maybe the same supplier, but I would rather take HTC genuine OEMs over ones from a company that doesn't give true capacities.

Me too.
Much Rather use Official HTC Desire HD batery, made for the HTC Desire HD.

Stuff pi$$ing about with all this Mugen, Sensation, evo + extended batteries and modifying the battery cover etc etc etc.

Just do what i'm gonna do, buy an OFFICIAL HTC DESIRE HD STANDARD/STOCK batery and use it as a backup, in your pocket/wallet/bag/glovebox etc etc.

cheers
Matt

 

[paul c]

The whole testing thing is notoriously subjective, despite the fact everyone is using numbers.

To really do a proper test, you'd need say 5 HTC OEM batteries and 5 Mugen batteries - to remove the subjectiveness of a 1-1 comparison. Brand new, with a few cycles equally managed.

Then subject them to a test with a constant discharge using the same measuring equipment.

That's not going to happen, on this forum, nor on any other.

So we're left with individuals doing their best to compare their experience with 2 batteries.

MINE is positive for Mugen: I had a new phone with stock ROM for 6 months, then moved to a custom ROM, and also played heavily with battery-conservation techniques. Despite all that, my OEM battery was not making it through the day, so I got the Mugen as a replacement. I may have been unlucky with that particular OEM battery, but it still lost its capacity much faster than expected after just 12 months.

The Mugen is new, a couple of months old now, and is significantly better than the OEM, comparing it to the OEM's recent performance, and it's performance as new albeit with stock ROM and unoptimised sleep settings.

So, in short, you can believe and defend exactly what you want to - it's very difficult to compare apples with apples.

I for one am very happy with the Mugen, and I also bought a 5000mah power pack from NewTrent which is another option.

 

[T7nia]

I tried the so called Andida battery, its been a couple of days now. The capacity is the same as the original, doesnt last longer either. so if your original battery is working well then dont bother buying any of these. I can only recommend you to find a good rom that gives you more usage time.
Personally am using Ice cold sandwich at the moment and it gives a little bit more than 5 minutes for 1%. which just about gets me through the day if I use it for all purposes, music about 2 hours, texting & whatsapp through out the day and some internet.

 

[paul c]

I tried the so called Andida battery, its been a couple of days now. The capacity is the same as the original, doesnt last longer either. so if your original battery is working well then dont bother buying any of these. I can only recommend you to find a good rom that gives you more usage time.
Personally am using Ice cold sandwich at the moment and it gives a little bit more than 5 minutes for 1%. which just about gets me through the day if I use it for all purposes, music about 2 hours, texting & whatsapp through out the day and some internet.

I can't comment on the Andida battery, but I think you're lucky if a non-OEM battery lasts the same as the HTC battery, especially after a few months. As repeated on this and many related threads, the Mugen battery does provide extra power, and I believe it's the only one which has managed to fit more capacity into the same size. There will always be doubters, but that's another story.

Coming onto ROMs - a good kernel/ROM combination will definitely improve battery life. ICS is still experimental, so there are definitely ROMs with less consumption than what you mention.

After choosing a ROM, the next step is to tweak the power settings. You can do this effectively with Juice Defender, though purists (see the betterbatterystats thread on xda) do not approve... The trick is to stop the device coming out of sleep by avoiding unneccessary syncing, wifi etc. You can get up to 2x battery life quite easily (JD's estimation, not mine).

Check out the betterbatterystats thread, it provides good advice on where to troubleshoot.

 

[garagedroid]

This is one hell of a debate here thank you for the infos..and test results..
I am just satisfied with my extended battery and i have been using it for a while now, still good performance, and not worried about ending up my whole day without mobile connection...
But i agree in order to make a proper test you need to drain as many items of each model as possible to have more accurate results.

 

[threepointfive]

hi guys,
just finished reading through these three pages here and im also looking for a extended third party's battery for my dhd.

Besides all the experiences with the mugen battery - are there any others you would or would not reccomend?

thanks

 

[garagedroid]

I'm very curous about this battery for Desire HD. From my experience, 3rd party batteries are generally frowned upon because they usually either

1) Does not contain the advertised charge (mah) amount
2) Does contain the advertised amount of charge but the battery spoils fast, and would be unable to hold charge properly after a few months of usage
3) Heat issues, etc, safety issues in general

It seems like many people in this forum have already got the battery and would like to know whats it like so far. my current original DHD battery has already semi gave way after a year+ of usage, it no longer hold the charge proper and I can only charge up till 60+% before it jumps straight to 100%, as well as battery level jumps erratically.

I went to check, seems like the mugen 1500mah battery http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ery-for-for-htc-desire-hd-softbank-001ht.html cost around $45 US which translates to roughly $56SGD whereas locally the original DHD battery costs $59SGD. Adding a couple of bucks for shipping and all, it definitely works out to be a better battery to purchase if it actually works well (e.g. refer to above criterias).

So I would like to know whether the battery suffer from the problem of holding charge and also any heat/security issues. Considering I've read that many people claim that they get a lot more battery life out of it in their initial usage.

What I know is that it lasts long when it comes to life expectancy. A friend of mine is using it for 1.5 years and it's still working fine, showing more than 400 charge cycles life, which is good for any li-ion battery.

 

[WingZer0n]

Can try Momax batteries....but from past experience they are half the price of the original HTC batteries but they only last at max a year....still a cheaper option.