read: SAMSUNG PUSH FW UPDATE NOTE7 KILL DEVICE!

[Chippy_boy]

depends on the carrier there. I'm UK with EE and they allowed me to switch to SIM only 12-month contract. Lucky bargain too in that they reduced the price on the 16GB data to £19.99/month. I was looking around and you can pick up a note-5 920C international model for around £450 which, costed out over 12 months makes that say £36/month. So if I did decide on that it'd be the same monthly I'd have paid for the note-7 but I'd own that phone and be able to upgrade to a newer model next year if something I want does come out. The 920C should work on all UK channels hence looking specifically at that one.

For me I'm unlikely to since the 3 still works fine for my purposes but it might be a worthwhile option for others if their carrier lets them go SIM only...

Sounds like you got a great deal. EE were more expensive than VF when I got my Note 7 and since my wife is on EE we rationalised it that it might be good to be on different networks so we have 2x the chance of getting a signal in remote spots. I would rather have gone with EE though really.

Incidentally, I spent the first two weeks complaining to VF about the upload speed in my area which was typically < 0.1 Mb/s when I was getting 30MB/s downloads indoors. It was a painful exercise, with my having to complain endlessly and numerous emails, calls, forum posts, chat sessions. I was monunmentally p!ssed off.

To be fair they did fix it in the end and the network is great now (20Mb/s uploads indoors), but it was not a good start.

 

[aengus4h]

Sounds like you got a great deal. EE were more expensive than VF when I got my Note 7 and since my wife is on EE we rationalised it that it might be good to be on different networks so we have 2x the chance of getting a signal in remote spots. I would rather have gone with EE though really.

Incidentally, I spent the first two weeks complaining to VF about the upload speed in my area which was typically < 0.1 Mb/s when I was getting 30MB/s downloads indoors. It was a painful exercise, with my having to complain endlessly and numerous emails, calls, forum posts, chat sessions. I was monunmentally p!ssed off.

To be fair they did fix it in the end and the network is great now (20Mb/s uploads indoors), but it was not a good start.

Funnily enough I used to do the same when I had a significant other, one phone on GSM and the other on PCN networks so there was a chance of connectivity for at least one handset when away. These days with network coverage as wide as it is it seems less worth doing but I do get why you have

Can say from my own experience on work phones that Voda and O2 have had issues on the data side and that Voda took longer/most effort to get sorted. I've always kept my own personal phone as well so have been able to compare and have a backup and had far more signal/data issues with Voda then O2 than the one-2-one/T-Mo/EE. I even have an EE LTE USB modem backup for my router in case my DSL landline goes down

 

[Chippy_boy]

Funnily enough I used to do the same when I had a significant other, one phone on GSM and the other on PCN networks so there was a chance of connectivity for at least one handset when away. These days with network coverage as wide as it is it seems less worth doing but I do get why you have

Can say from my own experience on work phones that Voda and O2 have had issues on the data side and that Voda took longer/most effort to get sorted. I've always kept my own personal phone as well so have been able to compare and have a backup and had far more signal/data issues with Voda then O2 than the one-2-one/T-Mo/EE. I even have an EE LTE USB modem backup for my router in case my DSL landline goes down

I agree. I've had EE on and off over the years (Orange originally obviously) and always found them to be excellent. Funnily enough they used to be a customer of mine though (can't say too much for NDA reasons) but I can tell you they were a shambles of an organisation internally. How they ever managed to keep the network performing as well as they do, god only knows.

 

[lawrence750]

I agree. I've had EE on and off over the years (Orange originally obviously) and always found them to be excellent. Funnily enough they used to be a customer of mine though (can't say too much for NDA reasons) but I can tell you they were a shambles of an organisation internally. How they ever managed to keep the network performing as well as they do, god only knows.

More like didn't keep it working (the amount of outages!) watch it from a national, business perspective and you'll soon realise how the shambolic organisation does infact translate to ****ty service!!
You've probably just been lucky enough not to experience their unreliability too much.

Although, I am commenting on my experiences with them a few years back, and things have changed now, so could be a better story now.

 

[aengus4h]

More like didn't keep it working (the amount of outages!) watch it from a national, business perspective and you'll soon realise how the shambolic organisation does infact translate to ****ty service!!
You've probably just been lucky enough not to experience their unreliability too much.

Although, I am commenting on my experiences with them a few years back, and things have changed now, so could be a better story now.

yeah guess it depends on where you are. Last work role at an airport our subscriber was O2. Even had transmitters all over the site, yet still service outages were frequent, if not on voice was regular on the data side. Yet I never had issues with EE and data rate was >40Mbps on my phone where O2 struggled to hit half that.

Over Reading way tho, yeah not so good there's a few dead zones there IIRC

 

[lintonindy]

You can't assume this. Length of time doesn't correlate to further danger. A lot of people have kept their Note 7's past the second recall date, and I haven't seen any reports of them continuing to explode. As well, with electronics, length of time can actually equal an improvement in the odds it is fine, as the longer the device is operating, the more proof there is the electronics are stable.

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Not to mention the statistical calculation in that post is completely wrong and backwards.

He's calculating it as though every month brings a whole new risk. Or, actually, with his numbers, he's actually assuming that every two months bring a whole new risk.

His numbers would be more accurate (assuming that the base risk/failure ratio is correct, which there's no way to confirm) if someone was using 18 phones... But for someone using 1 phone, the risk (assuming it stays static throughout the lifetime of the phone, which really we have no way of knowing either) is simply (number of failures)/(number of phones in service at the time of failures+number of phones failed at this point).

So if there were 100 phones that failed after the recall, and they had sent out 1.5 million new phones, the risk would be about 1 in 15,000.

But in reality, that is far over simplifying things. The truth is, it doesn't matter what the risk is. It's recalled. You're either returning it or you're not. I don't see why some people are so bent out of shape that others are going to keep their phone! I would be keeping mine if I didn't have to fly on airplanes and if there was *SOME* way to get software upgrades. But if those things can't happen, then for me it's retarded to hang onto a phone that went from a thousand dollar phone to a non-resellable device that's pretty cool, but will soon be rife with problems, failures, shortcomings, security faults, etc etc etc. But I'm also not going to fault someone for keeping theirs - it's their money! I don't understand this idea that some people seem to believe it's a moral choice - it's not at all a moral choice. Even if the damn thing fails, it's likely only going to hurt you or someone you let use your phone. The moral choice (if there really is one) would be about letting others use your phone, or you using it where you put others at risk.

But that assumes there really is risk - I am on the side that believes that Samsung simply hedged their bets here. They saw the writing on the wall, the media was all over this, customers were pissed and worried and worked up (largely due to the media), and they had to do something. They screwed up the replacement (or they may not have even - we don't even know for sure how many replaced phones actually failed, and we also don't know what the "acceptable failure rate" for the Note 7 is - there's an acceptable failure rate for EVERY phone), then they realized that there was going to be a choice between fixing it again, and taking a risk that if they screwed it up a second time, there would be long lasting damage done, or just cut and run. They cut and ran.

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[PhoenixJedi]

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Dude, you're an idiot. We're theorizing here as to reasons why they SHOULDNT do it. There is nothing wrong with doing that.

 

[lintonindy]

Dude, you're an idiot. We're theorizing here as to reasons why they SHOULDNT do it. There is nothing wrong with doing that.

Really nice "dude".

I was pointing you to my post where I admitted my mistake in my calculations, so you would quit beating me up about it and you're resorting to name calling now.

Awesome. Really nice behavior. Way to take the high road.

 

[PhoenixJedi]

Really nice "dude".

I was pointing you to my post where I admitted my mistake in my calculations, so you would quit beating me up about it and you're resorting to name calling now.

Awesome. Really nice behavior. Way to take the high road.

Oops i read that as post 17.. which was a really rude post to start. sorry.

 

[Fishdj]

They will never be able to disable anything on Cricket....

 

[aengus4h]

Oops i read that as post 17.. which was a really rude post to start. sorry.

ouch!

 

[bonebeatz1234]

It's just a phone return it the s7 edge is just as good minus the spen and the iris scanner . The device is not safe. I Agee to brick the device on a ota update its one thing to not care about your safety but to put others in harms way is just crazy. This recall effects everyone even people that don't own the phone. Last thing I need is this phone to cause a fire while I'm on a plane.

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[asaqwert]

The s7 edge is no where near "just as good". It's almost a year old, has a smaller screen, less storage, usb 2.1, it's ugly as sin, and numerous other reasons.

Trade for it if you don't, but don't try to justify paying the same price for it by saying it's just as good. It's not. Not at all.

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Also it's not "putting others in harm's way" if you keep it. Come on.

 

[br0adband]

The Galaxy S7 Active is a closer match to the Note 7 than the S7 or S7 Edge is, to be honest but because it's an AT&T exclusive sadly it just doesn't get any big love from the consumers. It's a fantastic device overall and the battery life for me has proven to be rather extraordinary.

I wonder how long that contract for exclusivity will be in place with AT&T because it's absolutely hurting Samsung and always has. If the Active series was sold by other carriers on in a straight unlocked version they'd sell millions of them and not just a few hundred thousand at best.

Maybe Samsung should create an entirely new series that's rugged and has no carrier exclusivity at all and literally just call it "Rugged" as in Galaxy S8 Rugged or something, it would absolutely be a big seller compared to the locked down (but still awesome even so) Active series.

 

[teegunn]

The Galaxy S7 Active is a closer match to the Note 7 than the S7 or S7 Edge is, to be honest but because it's an AT&T exclusive sadly it just doesn't get any big love from the consumers. It's a fantastic device overall and the battery life for me has proven to be rather extraordinary.

I wonder how long that contract for exclusivity will be in place with AT&T because it's absolutely hurting Samsung and always has. If the Active series was sold by other carriers on in a straight unlocked version they'd sell millions of them and not just a few hundred thousand at best.

Maybe Samsung should create an entirely new series that's rugged and has no carrier exclusivity at all and literally just call it "Rugged" as in Galaxy S8 Rugged or something, it would absolutely be a big seller compared to the locked down (but still awesome even so) Active series.

Admit it. The only reason you made this post is because you have an S7 Active (so you say) and like to troll this forum.

 

[asaqwert]

Imo any version of the S7 isn't worth it, not unless it's down around the 600 dollar (Canadian) mark. It's almost a year old.

In a year you'll have a two year old phone that's getting long in the tooth, even worse on updates, and lower resale value.

 

[teegunn]

Imo any version of the S7 isn't worth it, not unless it's down around the 600 dollar (Canadian) mark. It's almost a year old.

In a year you'll have a two year old phone that's getting long in the tooth, even worse on updates, and lower resale value.

I agree. Yet when looking at ALL the available options, the S7 is still the best and closest replacement to the N7. Not quite as good.... a little smaller display (but still almost as big of a body), the display not quite as nice (it's close, but side by side it isn't as bright or as nice, quite), not quite as nicely built (although I actually prefer the plastic back to the glass back on the N7, the N7 is still the better of the two), AOD is not the same (supposedly they will be updating it to "catch up" on the S7 though), no S PEN (this is a biggie for some [me], not as much others), only 32gb internal memory where the N7 has 64gb (this is a biggie for me also), and a few other things that make the N7 simply the better device. But they have the same internals, so realistically the two phones should get "long in the tooth" at about the same rate. Which really means the N7 should have had the 821 and 6gb to start with... but hey, that is moot anyway at this point!

Anyway, I am still deciding if I should take advantage of the $100 off the S7 at Verizon if I decide to "upgrade" to that when I turn my N7 in, or just stick it out with my 2 year old Note 4. I have to admit, I have been using my N4 some the last few days (it's wifi only at this point) to try to see if I can get used to going back to it, and dang - my old trusty N4 seems very dated now after almost two months with my N7. It is a tough decision to skip the "upgrade" entirely on the S7 edge and wait it out with old trusthworthy Note 4, or just get the S7 edge and live with it. The clock is ticking on this decision. I see that Verizon online doesn't even have any S7 edge phones in stock until next week, so that kind of makes the overnight shipping offer which expires tomorrow offer pointless.

 

[asaqwert]

I'm in a similar boat. My trusty old note 4 seems so dated now. I can't go back. It hurts.

Honestly I understand why people are going for the s7 or s7e, but for me it's just too much missing.

By long in the tooth I more meant that with it already almost a year old, software updates peter off earlier, but also resale value goes down proportional to how long it's been out, not how new it is to the seller, in many cases.

I dunno, for me, I'm pissed and bitter with Samsung. They have handled this brutally. They should have offered the s7e at a big discount, not an extra 75 bucks off (since you get 25 bucks back for returning it anyways). If I'm going to get locked into a device for two years, it's never going to be a device that's almost a year old already.

My pixel xl will be waiting for me on Thursday from what I'm told. Then I just need to argue with Telus about how much they will credit me, and maybe I'll get the BBB and CRTC involved. I'm sick of cellular companies screwing me around.

 

[konvalink]

I disabled the updates and urgent updates service as well to prevent kill update, which samsung is pushing to v.2 phones, according to this forum. But now I see there is the update with new features and I want to try it. So what can I expect after enabling update services, which is stopped on my device since 1. October? Is there any battery limitation or annoying things? It is really hard to understand what will happen, what update is in the air, because every thread is about "you should return phone or not" and not about the topic

 

[teegunn]

The pixel is lacking for me. No SD card, a smaller display than the N7. Heck, I'd actually get a ZTE Axon 7 if the display wasn't locked in at a measly 319 nits (about half of our N7's max nits, actually about a 3rd if you have the N7 in Auto mode and outside...). Heck, the Zenfone 3 Deluxe might work... except they went with a measly HD display (why... why, Asus?). The Oppo 3 - naw, just... naw. There really is not anything out there that matches the N7. The S7 edge is the closest. And yes, IP68 does matter to me, and none but the S7 edge offer that plus the 2nd best display on the market (the N7 being the best). Sigh.... sucks to lose this gem of a phone with nothing to replace it.

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I disabled the updates and urgent updates service as well to prevent kill update, which samsung is pushing to v.2 phones, according to this forum. But now I see there is the update with new features and I want to try it. So what can I expect after enabling update services, which is stopped on my device since 1. October? Is there any battery limitation or annoying things? It is really hard to understand what will happen, what update is in the air, because every thread is about "you should return phone or not" and not about the topic

If you are thinking about keeping your N7, don't take updates. What is wrong with the way it was working with the out of the box software? Nothing. Most updates are over rated. Unless they fix some big problem or add some big, new feature, they are over rated. Keep OTA updates disabled. I am going to. Even if I return the phone(s) (I have to N7's), I am not going to update them. Why?