Redmi 3s Town Hall Meeting, Voice Your Opinion!

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BlueFlame4

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I am just saddened to see that this community is in need of intervention by XDA mods.. Iv been a Linux enthusiast for over a decade and have been hanging around XDA forums over 5 years and four devices but never have i seen such a thing happen. I dnt know anything about fan boys or inter/intra dev team politics, but just the fact that all this is happening points to a much more fundamental issue. And that is the fact that this community (of land users n devs) doesn't truly understand and hence not able to embrace the true spirit of open source!

Most of you devs are pretty young (not undermining your skills and talents in contributing to the development of land) to really understand how Linux/Android/open source got to the point where it is today - competing heck to neck with the apples and Microsofts of the closed source commercial world! I can tell you right away that it did not happen by bickering and snaring at each other about who gets to score more cool points!! Bloody grow up ppl..

XDA is not Facebook! I have seen ppl posting replies as if they are commenting on a damn status update.. Sadly the culture of popular social media has greatly eroded the values and decorum of good old usenet like forums. Respect and appreciation for fellow devs has been replaced by jealousy and unhealthy competition!

Please ppl, it doesn't matter who got it right first, what matters is how you can improve upon it and make your contribution to the collective effort. That is how this revolution started and it is our responsibility not to let it squander.

Peace
I think you spotted one core problem: Many people mix up XDA with Facebook. IMHO the Thank-O-Meter is part of that problem. How is this any different to Facebook? You get "likes" for good posts. I think the idea of the Thank-O-Meter was to have useful development posts highlighted. In reality posts like ETA announcements, screenshots, etc. are "liked" much because they ignite hope for a sooner release of something.

The implicit problem here is that
a) Developers are encouraged to tease the "crowd"
b) The "crowd" gets a reward from these teasers (i.e. they are excited)
c) The "crowd" sees the developer as a kind of "god" who will one day release something to be their "saviour".
d) The developer gets a reward from the flattering of the "crowd" (like on Facebook).

a)->b)->c)->d) form a perfect Thank-O-Meter loop here IMHO.
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If you look closely you see that the above loop focuses on one person or at least one group while ignoring others. This developer is encouraged to keep his sources closed for as long as possible while getting more and more prestige for his "contribution". The crowd gets a new release while the developer is flattered more and more. He will not release his sources because then he is not "god" anymore.

Every new release == more flattering => more rewards for both sides.
Obviously the developer wants to release as often as possible, which highlights the next implicit problem I see: Not doing things properly..

The more I browse on GitHub the more I see stolen commits that were just copied instead of "git cherry-pick"ed. Why is that so? Well, developers are encouraged to deliver FAST but not properly. Of course it's easier for a beginner to just go to GitHub via browser, use CTRL+C/CTRL+V, git commit, push, voilá. The resulting binary is the same, but it's not the proper git workflow and credits/GPL are violated.

Another good example for not doing things properly is SELinux. How many so called stable (!) ROMs out there are SELinux permissive? Why should you tailor an SELinux context if you can just set it to permissive and it works. Do you even know what SELinux is!? The average Joe probably doesn't know and doesn't care. You as a developer have the responsibilty to make the device at least as secure as the stock ROM though!!

Conclusion:

It's always easy to rant about "the crowd" being retards or developers hiding sources. If you ask me these things are only symptoms of a bigger problem though: A very reward-driven culture that is implemented on XDA and in the internet more and more. The "user" wants it NOW and he doesn't want to THINK much about anything, it should just work. The developer wants to get hyped NOW! It's not about the device but about his ego.

Surely it's a great thing to have rules like "Do not ask for ETA" but they contradict the current implementation of XDA (Thank-O-Meter/Donation-Button).
 
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groovepeppy

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The implicit problem here is that
a) Developers are encouraged to tease the "crowd"
b) The "crowd" gets a reward from these teasers (i.e. they are excited)
c) The "crowd" sees the developer as a kind of "god" who will one day release something to be their "saviour".
d) The developer gets a reward from the flattering of the "crowd" (like on Facebook).

a)->b)->c)->d) form a perfect Thank-O-Meter loop here IMHO.
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Agreed
 

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hyper team do not really care about device at all they want money , fame and monopoly . I asked them to release device and vendor tree and they kicked me out of there telegram group .
They are blinded by fame and money . I feel as they are relatively young (age) they don't have spirit of team work rather they are in phase of competition who wants to impress more girls in their schools.
 

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hyper team do not really care about device at all they want money , fame and monopoly . I asked them to release device and vendor tree and they kicked me out of there telegram group .
They are blinded by fame and money . I feel as they are relatively young (age) they don't have spirit of team work rather they are in phase of competition who wants to impress more girls in their schools.
Did team hyper ask you money?
Or some guys just showed up saying that they are collecting money for RDs to buy device for giving the users N?
Maybe you are confusing RDs with Team Hyper.
Did you see them banging girls or asked you to arrange? Or is that your profession? [emoji57]

Sent from my Redmi 3S using Tapatalk
 

william.johhn7!

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No. I think this thread is a good idea for everyone to speak their minds and solve the present issues. For this it is necessary that all parties get involved in a RESPECTFUL manner. Let's just hope that all involved turn up here and find a solution that allows for a better atmosphere in our XDA section.
True. This thread is meant for improvement of atmosphere between users, testers and developers alike. But I've watched carefully and there are instances where the discussion turns against the developers. This thread will only be useful if everyone cooperated and appreciated the worthy.
 

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Failure to disclose bugs

Too many ROMs for land have (minor) bugs which are not disclosed in the OP. I would like to see devs be more honest about the little problems so we can make informed decisions about what to flash. Instead we must trawl through a 100 page thread to see what bugs are being reported by other users. I have entirely lost faith in some Dev teams and stick with an older ROM (fedosis) rather than flash then discover bugs or issues. This failure to disclose is dishonest and leads to users losing trust in devs. Similarly when a Dev team releases many ROMs but ignores the issues and abandons their ROMs I lose faith in them. I understand when this leads users to become frustrated and impatient with devs.

I think a lack of collaboration and competitiveness between Dev teams is leading to slow development for this device.

I have never before been witness to such a fractured and frankly childish development forum as we have for this device. It is shameful.
 
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amnher

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This is what i fear the most. Instead of true spirit of team work, this competitions and ranting exist and comparison between devs causing this divisioning and even abandonement. And we suffer because of this. If this atmosphere goes on, not only devs will go but also the future of this device development may die. i have been with many device in this forum staring from xperia x8/w8, xperia mini, xperia L, xperia z1, xperia z1 compact, samsung s5, nexus 5(love the communty there) and now redmi Land. I have already encountered trolls but never an atmosphere like this.

Just imagine if this group of devs cooperate instead of divisioning, just imagine the achievment it can reach. We have already lost zwliew and now this, dont wait for the time when all devs are gone. Selfishness has no room in a community of teamwork.

Peace
 

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Just imagine if this group of devs cooperate instead of divisioning, just imagine the achievment it can reach. We have already lost zwliew and now this, dont wait for the time when all devs are gone. Selfishness has no room in a community of teamwork.

Peace
People need to understand that there must be something wrong that's why they're being objectioned.

Introspection is the need of the hour.

Let's wish the goodwill is restored (Or produced magically if it's not there already) :). And all the guys work together with real goodwill
 
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TeamMex

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This is what i fear the most. Instead of true spirit of team work, this competitions and ranting exist and comparison between devs causing this divisioning and even abandonement. And we suffer because of this. If this atmosphere goes on, not only devs will go but also the future of this device development may die. i have been with many device in this forum staring from xperia x8/w8, xperia mini, xperia L, xperia z1, xperia z1 compact, samsung s5, nexus 5(love the communty there) and now redmi Land. I have already encountered trolls but never an atmosphere like this.

Just imagine if this group of devs cooperate instead of divisioning, just imagine the achievment it can reach. We have already lost zwliew and now this, dont wait for the time when all devs are gone. Selfishness has no room in a community of teamwork.

Peace
I started at xperia x8 too , I know eagleeyetom from his dev team on x8,
and well i never see people like that, this is the first time That I find people like this.
I am always open to receiving and / or helping when I can.
I was very comfortable in the community of Moto G, G3 and moto Z play until I arrived here
I bought this phone because I found it interesting and I never believed that everything that happened would happen, if I had known, I wouldn't bought this phone and would have gone directly to a redmi note 4x


If we get together maybe we would do big things but many have a huge ego others can not stand the pressure of being attacked.
 
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